Fran's behavior is counter-productive

[VerbumDei]

During the game, Turgeon was complaining to the refs about the disparity in fouls. He was upset, but he had a purpose. He was working the refs and there was a line he came close to with Gene Speratore but he did not cross the line.

I think Fran is a good coach and I like him, and he is allowed to work the refs too. But when the game is over, there are no more calls to be made, and he chases the refs all over the court to drop f bombs ON NATIONAL TV, he is hurting himself AND HIS TEAM with every official in the league. He needs to calm down and stop acting like a douche.

Verbum Dei

AMDG

 

[TailgateTom]

Izzo has done this. Jo Pa chased a crew into the locker room. Mike MackIntyre did it. This is just off the top of my head.

 

[Titanhawk2]

Right, Turgeon had a purpose, Fran is just running amok

 

[iahawks10]

I was going to give Fran credit for not getting T'd up.

 

[Rifler]

Fran is Fran,.... let it go

 

[BondHawk]

I don't understand yellers. If you can't get the point across without resorting to screaming at someone, either your point is not good enough, or you aren't good enough at delivering the message. Fran is a smart guy and knows basketball, he should be able to teach/communicate without coming to the brink of physical violence.

 

[anon_i8nzeu2gbf0ba]

Lute Olson chased a few stripes in his days in Iowa City. So did Ralph Miller. So do Calipari and Pitino the Elder, Tim Miles and just about every other college basketball coach in the known universe. It's been going on almost since Naismith nailed the peach basket to the wall. And in other news, the sun is expected to rise in the east . . .

 

[VerbumDei]

I simply don't recall Miles or Izzo or Calipari or anybody chasing down the refs like that after the game was over. Did you see him? He looked like he was about to get violent. It does not help the Hawks, and can only hurt them in future games. Its serves no purpose.

 

[Rifler]

I simply don't recall Miles or Izzo or Calipari or anybody chasing down the refs

Seriously??????

 

[DanL53]

Right, because, Lickliter.

If one doesn't think an Iowa coach has to work harder to get the attention of refs, there's nothing I can say. Please recall that not that long ago Chambers at Penn State took a hefty fine to say what everyone should already know...certain teams in the league have an advantage!

Besides, I call bigotry! Fran is a pale skinned Irish guy from Philadelphia. How he behaves is directly related to his genetics! He hasn't physically harmed anyone! I've never heard one ex-player who didn't express great fondness for him. So his face turns red!?!? And he cusses!?!? I say his demeanor as a coach has been outstanding.

I like that he gets fired up. You notice his team plays about as sportsmanlike as any other? Better than most?

And finally, I've noticed a direct correlation to when Fran gets red faced, and when officials suck. Refs want the behavior to change? Stop sucking.

 

[HobbieHawk]

Right, because, Lickliter.

If one doesn't think an Iowa coach has to work harder to get the attention of refs, there's nothing I can say. Please recall that not that long ago Chambers at Penn State took a hefty fine to say what everyone should already know...certain teams in the league have an advantage!

Besides, I call bigotry! Fran is a pale skinned Irish guy from Philadelphia. How he behaves is directly related to his genetics! He hasn't physically harmed anyone! I've never heard one ex-player who didn't express great fondness for him. So his face turns red!?!? And he cusses!?!? I say his demeanor as a coach has been outstanding.

I like that he gets fired up. You notice his team plays about as sportsmanlike as any other? Better than most?

And finally, I've noticed a direct correlation to when Fran gets red faced, and when officials suck. Refs want the behavior to change? Stop sucking.

THIS!

 

[CAhawki]

I love it when i see people call Fran an embarassment or over the top. Do these people not remember Bobby K. Dude was volcanoe majority of his career

 

[CAhawki]

Right, because, Lickliter.

If one doesn't think an Iowa coach has to work harder to get the attention of refs, there's nothing I can say. Please recall that not that long ago Chambers at Penn State took a hefty fine to say what everyone should already know...certain teams in the league have an advantage!

Besides, I call bigotry! Fran is a pale skinned Irish guy from Philadelphia. How he behaves is directly related to his genetics! He hasn't physically harmed anyone! I've never heard one ex-player who didn't express great fondness for him. So his face turns red!?!? And he cusses!?!? I say his demeanor as a coach has been outstanding.

I like that he gets fired up. You notice his team plays about as sportsmanlike as any other? Better than most?

And finally, I've noticed a direct correlation to when Fran gets red faced, and when officials suck. Refs want the behavior to change? Stop sucking.

Fran wants consistency and he is trying to go to bat for his guys

 

[Ihawkhoops]

I commend Fran for not being taken out in cuffs or a straight jacket after the starts in the last two games. Good thing he has a solid health plan, as I suspect rotator cuff surgery is in his future as often as he holds his arms out in disbelief that we can't defend junior high level pick and rolls.

We had 5 possessions to do something productive that we bleeped down our legs, but Fran is all po'd about a call on the baseline that we don't get? Agree 100% it was a bad call, but I wish Fran would channel this energy into drawing up some stuff that doesn't result in Jok or Bohannon shooting a 25 footer. He puts the least effective guys on the floor at the most critical juncture of the game (again). Sit Jok if he isn't healthy or engaged. Play the guys that got you back in the game.

I feel his pain, but fix it through better recruiting, not showing up on ESPN throwing tantrums. It's silly on a number of levels, but mainly because we are a bad team headed for a bottom tier finish in the conference.

 

[dmoore27]

Fran showing this type of fire shows his players he has their back. It also shows them and the fans how much Fran hates to lose! I'll take this over the "we'll get em next time" coach speak.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Right, because, Lickliter.

If one doesn't think an Iowa coach has to work harder to get the attention of refs, there's nothing I can say. Please recall that not that long ago Chambers at Penn State took a hefty fine to say what everyone should already know...certain teams in the league have an advantage!

Besides, I call bigotry! Fran is a pale skinned Irish guy from Philadelphia. How he behaves is directly related to his genetics! He hasn't physically harmed anyone! I've never heard one ex-player who didn't express great fondness for him. So his face turns red!?!? And he cusses!?!? I say his demeanor as a coach has been outstanding.

I like that he gets fired up. You notice his team plays about as sportsmanlike as any other? Better than most?

And finally, I've noticed a direct correlation to when Fran gets red faced, and when officials suck. Refs want the behavior to change? Stop sucking.

Face it Fran's actions are child like at times. You brought up chambers: his actions were measured not reactionary. Fran's "fire" is almost always a detriment to the team.
How his players feel about him and how they play is irrelevant to how FRAN COACHES and handles the refs..

I am sure he has great relationships with his players and does not act that way in practice but his behavior under pressure is a MAJOR character flaw and also manifests itself in his teams composure at the end of games. Fran needs to understand that his actions can have detrimental effects, not in the game at hand, but down the road as well.
You pick a metric that shows Fran is even a "good" end of game coach.

 

[VerbumDei]

I love it when i see people call Fran an embarassment or over the top. Do these people not remember Bobby K. Dude was volcanoe majority of his career

So, because Bob Knight was an embarrassment and an ass, its OK for Fran to be an ass? Really?

 

[Bulldogs1974]

I love it when i see people call Fran an embarassment or over the top. Do these people not remember Bobby K. Dude was volcanoe majority of his career

You seriously compared him to someone who WAS an embarrassment for his behavior? Fran is not that far from Bob K behavior during games. Let that sink in.
By the way Bob K. multiple time national championship coach, who's x's and o's can hardly be questioned.

 

[IowaNiceHawk]

I love it when i see people call Fran an embarassment or over the top. Do these people not remember Bobby K. Dude was volcanoe majority of his career

Good point. The Coaching Legend himself, the General, was probably even more of a Volcano awaiting eruption than Mad Fran. Fran needs to recall though, that fans may get Mad as H*** at him too, for the slow starts, the poor Defensive scheme in 1st half, etc......

GO HAWKS

 

[MepoDawg#]

During the game, Turgeon was complaining to the refs about the disparity in fouls. He was upset, but he had a purpose. He was working the refs and there was a line he came close to with Gene Speratore but he did not cross the line.

I think Fran is a good coach and I like him, and he is allowed to work the refs too. But when the game is over, there are no more calls to be made, and he chases the refs all over the court to drop f bombs ON NATIONAL TV, he is hurting himself AND HIS TEAM with every official in the league. He needs to calm down and stop acting like a douche.

Verbum Dei

AMDG

So Turgeon going after the refs and dropping f-bombs during timeouts is different? He was out on the floor yelling at the refs. I don't see how it's much different than what Fran did.

 

[And1Hawk]

People also really over-hype ESPN these days. It's not the power it used to be. Bleeding viewers folks.

 

[madmustang4]

Most of the "other" coaches cited above could get away with being obnoxious because they were winning big and sending players on to the NBA. That's not happening with the Fran.
I don't like his behavior from:
1) recruiting standpoint. Parents of potential recruits see that happening and question if Iowa is the place they want to send their kid.
2) National media. Brings bad PR to Iowa basketball and Iowa athletics in general.

 

[CP84]

If this is counter productive:

2015: 22-11
2014: 22-12
2013: 20-13
2012: 25-13
2011: 18-17
2010: 11-20

Then I'll take counter-productive over the prior experience:

2009: 10-22
2008: 15-17
2007: 13-19
2006: 17-14
2005: 25-9
2004: 21-12
2003: 16-13
2002: 17-14
2001: 19-16


I suppose he could just chew gum and write in a notebook.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Since you threw the numbers up there: How are Fran's late game numbers/numbers in close games? You know, when Frans temper seems to get the best of him.

 

[CP84]

Since you threw the numbers up there: How are Fran's late game numbers/numbers in close games? You know, when Frans temper seems to get the best of him.

That would be a poor sample because he's most likely to explode when the team is in a losing situation as occurred last night. He didn't really blow up until the Jok non-call on his TO that effectively put the game out of reach.

 

[CP84]

The bottom line is you get what you get with Fran. You either get the whole package or none at all. Fran is a passionate guy and much of that passion is why we are getting recruits like Tyler Cook and Garza that likely would have not committed here under prior coaches. Iowa had a hard enough time keeping premier local players in state with other coaches and now we have Jok, Pemsl and Wieskamp in queue in addition to his own kids.

 

[Curt Furence]

Oh Frank, thats just good coaching.... But that Fran, he's a monster
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-fr...d-south-carolina-into-a-winner-151406835.html

 

[kcgolfer]

During the game, Turgeon was complaining to the refs about the disparity in fouls. He was upset, but he had a purpose. He was working the refs and there was a line he came close to with Gene Speratore but he did not cross the line.

I think Fran is a good coach and I like him, and he is allowed to work the refs too. But when the game is over, there are no more calls to be made, and he chases the refs all over the court to drop f bombs ON NATIONAL TV, he is hurting himself AND HIS TEAM with every official in the league. He needs to calm down and stop acting like a douche.

Verbum Dei

AMDG

NBD. Chill. He had a right.

 

[Ronman]

It always amazes me that some "journalists" seem fixated on McCaffery, and yet in the next sentence have nothing but high praise for other coaches that, in my estimation, are much more demonstrative during their games.

 

[ISUhawk]

Never have liked the use of foul language from Fran. Not necessary; not productive; not an example for others. Fire and passion without stinking up the place.

Still like Fran as our coach and we do have a bright future. Remember Ducky Lewis.

 

[Lyoncounty]

Let him get all his anger and frustration out on the officials. Then continue to coach and teach this team. Its young and rebuilding.

 

[large78]

So, because Bob Knight was an embarrassment and an ass, its OK for Fran to be an ass? Really?

Would you rather have Fran be an ass, or have Lickliter back? Take your pick

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Oh Frank, thats just good coaching.... But that Fran, he's a monster
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-fr...d-south-carolina-into-a-winner-151406835.html

haven't seen enough of his games to know whether or not he loses focus in late/tight games. I have seen enough of martin to know he would be more embarrassing as an Iowa coach.
But is this really what you want for a comparison?

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Would you rather have Fran be an ass, or have Lickliter back? Take your pick

Those aren't the only options. Jesus. Dumb post.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Let him get all his anger and frustration out on the officials. Then continue to coach and teach this team. Its young and rebuilding.

This would be fine. But as previously stated, Fran's anger hurts his coaching and teaching.
Some of you will read this and wonder, What proof? The late/tight game w/l says it all.

 

[iahawks10]

Since you threw the numbers up there: How are Fran's late game numbers/numbers in close games? You know, when Frans temper seems to get the best of him.

Since you think you have a point here, why don't you post what Fran's numbers are in late/close games?

 

[DavenportHawk8]

Frans temper is a little bit frustrating but he had a point to it last night. Maryland uses the old "tip drill" after a made basket. What they do is tip the ball or slap it towards the official or out of bounds. I believe Maryland was warned about that in the game. The 2nd time a player of Maryland even touches the ball after it goes through the rim its supposed to be a Technical foul. That's what got Fran all upset last night, they missed it a couple of times. That's petty stuff right there, but as an official you have to call it. You HATE to call it, but its in the rule book.

Late game decisions, Fran has let his team play it out. That's his MO, his anger/temper have nothing to do with it. He lets his players play and its been that way since Day 1. I remember Bryce Cartwright having the ball in his hands late in games. Its just what he does and it will never change. He feels his teams are prepared and know what to do in those situations.

My personal opinion on why Iowa struggles down the stretch have more to do with execution than anything. Players for whatever reason turn the ball over or aren't strong with it. Players set "crappy" screens or shooters miss wide open looks. So I think its more on the players and executing than it is on coaching just my two cents. We have had several open looks that don't go down. We have open shooters who miss the pick guy rolling towards the basket WIDE OPEN that they don't pass to.

JUST AN FYI:
Frank Martin is a Psycho. I have a friend who is KSU alum and he sat behind the bench a few times while Martin was there. He said it was painful to sit there, the way he talked to his players and the way he acted was a little over the top. I guess Martin would come unglued on the players and then 1-2 assistants would go talk to the player or calm them down. My buddy told me one story where he literally told one of his players to wake up or I'll ship you back to the ghetto. I guess the kid was having a "bad" game and he was all on him like stink on Sh!t. Apparently KSU is happy with Bruce Webber a little more mild temper than martin.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Since you think you have a point here, why don't you post what Fran's numbers are in late/close games?

been done in other threads..
Games that were decided by +/- 5 points (close games) and OT games; yes I understand that doesn't mean they were close but they should average out over time.

record in close games no OT:
Wins: 13 Loses: 26

Overtime
wins: 5 Loses: 9

Overall close game record:
Wins 18 Loses: 35

In the 2015-16 season (probably the most experienced team)
record:
wins: 1 Loses: 5

Record in OT:
wins: 2 Loses: 0

Overall:
wins: 3 Loses: 5

 

[Curt Furence]

haven't seen enough of his games to know whether or not he loses focus in late/tight games. I have seen enough of martin to know he would be more embarrassing as an Iowa coach.
But is this really what you want for a comparison?

Did you read the article or just look at the pictures? They talk about how his "fury" is good for his players. I just think it is comical how much people can twist things based on results. When he was losing at K State or his first 3 years at SC it was a bad thing but now that they are winning it is good. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Curt Furence]

"But as every single former player interviewed for this story says, there is so much more to the intensity than the fury that has so often been caught on camera. For one, there’s a genuine, caring man. And there’s the lifeblood of a program."

From the article on Martin. I would almost bet you would find this talking to Fran's players.