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Did Mulvey Sleep With Fran's Mother?

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Hardly......Kirks highs have been higher then Frans. On top of that there is NO team or teams that have dominated the conference in basketball over the last 20 years the way that OSU or Michigan have in football. It should not be out of the question to win or at least be right there to win the conference in basketball in a 15-16 year coaching stint. On top of that a coach should be able to change the trajectory of the entire program in basketball with just a couple of outstanding players. Thats not possible in football which is why the top schools win EVERY year.
 
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Team that looked very deep a couple of weeks ago now seems pretty thin.
That's because it's not really depth, it's just parity. Freeman can separate himself a little bit, and Sandfort actually making shots can as well, but beyond that most of the team is interchangable. And it's not because they're all just that good...
 
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I miss Iowa basketball, yes.

I’m indifferent to Fran teams at this point. Why? Because I can’t change it.

But, yeah, I miss Iowa basketball.
Indifferent would mean you don't care and you post almost more than anyone about it. You care, no shame in it. You don't like where it is, I don't either but I think I see some positive differences this season. It was a positive to clear the McCaff's out of the playing picture, now need to close on some recruits that can make a difference. FM may be gone after this season too, just have to see.
 
Hardly......Kirks highs have been higher then Frans. On top of that there is NO team or teams that have dominated the conference in basketball over the last 20 years the way that OSU or Michigan have in football. It should not be out of the question to win or at least be right there to win the conference in basketball in a 15-16 year coaching stint. On top of that a coach should be able to change the trajectory of the entire program in basketball with just a couple of outstanding players. Thats not possible in football which is why the top schools win EVERY year.

Playing devil's advocate here: what have Kirk's "highs" been in the last 14 years? A citrus bowl victory and some division titles in a soft division?

In the last 10 years, has Kirk won anything of similar value to Fran's B10 tournament championship?

I mean it seems like Kirk's "highs" peaked 20 years ago.
 
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Playing devil's advocate here: what have Kirk's "highs" been in the last 14 years? A citrus bowl victory and some division titles in a soft division?

In the last 10 years, has Kirk won anything of similar value to Fran's B10 tournament championship?

I mean it seems like Kirk's "highs" peaked 20 years ago.
Hey he’d beat up on the B1G West before getting trounced vs a team with a pulse.
 
Time to shorten up the rotations. Tadjo, Pryce, Traroe & Thelwell could all start and should get significant minutes. No need for Payton and Dix to play 36+ minutes IMO.
agree with the sentiment but tadjo has not shown that he is a starter. Thus far he's only shown that he's similar to ladji.
 
I have been skeptical of mulveys value but he has shown a little pulse of late.
The Michigan front court was made to order for Riley to get some minutes...not sure there will be many more matchups for him in BIG.
Riley still looks like a fish flopping around on the court but is a bit tighter.
Fran needed to bulk him up in 3 years. He has weak hands and lacks any paint presence.
If he was 30 lbs stronger he could battle vs those Mich Giants more effectively.
Ladji is struggling.
Both guys got beat down the court giving up layups.
I want drew and Tadjo and tradore to play more
Ladji, Brock and Sandforts to play less.
 
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agree with the sentiment but tadjo has not shown that he is a starter. Thus far he's only shown that he's similar to ladji.

But he's aggressive on defense and rebounding. I'd rather start him and let him get his two fouls in 5-7 minutes and then have him sit. At least start the game with a chance to not get way behind.
 
I have been skeptical of mulveys value but he has shown a little pulse of late.
The Michigan front court was made to order for Riley to get some minutes...not sure there will be many more matchups for him in BIG.
Riley still looks like a fish flopping around on the court but is a bit tighter.
Fran needed to bulk him up in 3 years. He has weak hands and lacks any paint presence.
If he was 30 lbs stronger he could battle vs those Mich Giants more effectively.
Ladji is struggling.
Both guys got beat down the court giving up layups.
I want drew and Tadjo and tradore to play more
Ladji, Brock and Sandforts to play less.

While Riley may look like a fish out of water, he seemed to be following the ball for rebounds. Some of the other guys just stand there and wait for the ball to come to them.
 
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Playing devil's advocate here: what have Kirk's "highs" been in the last 14 years? A citrus bowl victory and some division titles in a soft division?

In the last 10 years, has Kirk won anything of similar value to Fran's B10 tournament championship?

I mean it seems like Kirk's "highs" peaked 20 years ago.
really? a rose bowl and 2015 season are damn close to final 4 level season.
 
really? a rose bowl and 2015 season are damn close to final 4 level season.
There was literally a final four playoff in 2015. And we weren’t in it.

2015 was a great year. One of my favorite seasons of all time. But did we raise any banners that year?

For comparison’s sake: In 2015, the football team got crushed in the rose bowl and finished 9th in the AP poll. In 2021, the mens basketball team got crushed in the tournament and finished 8th in the ap poll.

My point being, in the last decade, Fran’s peak and Ferentz’ peak are pretty similar.
 
really? a rose bowl and 2015 season are damn close to final 4 level season.
Elite at 8 at best. Rose bowl was the consultation prize for the loser of the championship game.

But the point does have merit, Ferentz has been more successful than Fran.

Although, at this point I'd rather see Kirk retire if I could only pick one. Both would be even better.
 
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There was literally a final four playoff in 2015. And we weren’t in it.

2015 was a great year. One of my favorite seasons of all time. But did we raise any banners that year?

For comparison’s sake: In 2015, the football team got crushed in the rose bowl and finished 9th in the AP poll. In 2021, the mens basketball team got crushed in the tournament and finished 8th in the ap poll.

My point being, in the last decade, Fran’s peak and Ferentz’ peak are pretty similar.
um, how far were we from that playoff? which is why I said "close"
Do you think anyone here would give Fran the same grief if he were a last second shot from the final four? Kirk has been in three BCS games...Just stop with the comparisonn.
From an organizational/logistical/athlete standpoint football is exponentially harder to be elite in than basketball.
Fran had two first team all americans on the same team (a Team of 5 starters not 24-25) with other pro's and still couldn't do squat.
One is a hall of fame coach with trophy winners at almost every position, the other is Fran. One is considered by most NFL coaches and front office people to be one of the greatest developers of talent, the other is FRAN. Fran does quite the opposite. Frank G and family is far more responsible for Luka than fran is, you aren't saying that about any football parent.
Commonalities: nepotism and likeable guys off the field/court. They also started with bare cupboards but restocking the football team is way harder than the basketball team.
 
um, how far were we from that playoff? which is why I said "close"
Do you think anyone here would give Fran the same grief if he were a last second shot from the final four? Kirk has been in three BCS games...Just stop with the comparisonn.
From an organizational/logistical/athlete standpoint football is exponentially harder to be elite in than basketball.
Fran had two first team all americans on the same team (a Team of 5 starters not 24-25) with other pro's and still couldn't do squat.
One is a hall of fame coach with trophy winners at almost every position, the other is Fran. One is considered by most NFL coaches and front office people to be one of the greatest developers of talent, the other is FRAN. Fran does quite the opposite. Frank G and family is far more responsible for Luka than fran is, you aren't saying that about any football parent.
Commonalities: nepotism and likeable guys off the field/court. They also started with bare cupboards but restocking the football team is way harder than the basketball team.
Gonna guess you missed “the past ten years part.” Otherwise why would you have mentioned the other two BCS games.
 
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.’ That also moves either of the Sandforts to the 4 spot. Okay on offense for the most part but death on defense.’

Peyton is death on defense no matter where he plays. Thankfully he hit some shots late because the rest of the game.

FYI
indifferent
adjective

UK

/ɪnˈdɪf.ər.ənt/ US

/ɪnˈdɪf.ɚ.ənt/

indifferent adjective (NOT INTERESTED)​

not thinking about or interestedin someone or something:​

To help with some other posters. May want to select a different adjective because I don’t think it means what you think it means. The presence on the board and posting is the proof. Are you also the ‘could care less’ type of person?​

Was that bolded part meant for me, because it has nothing to do with what I posted?
 
Playing devil's advocate here: what have Kirk's "highs" been in the last 14 years? A citrus bowl victory and some division titles in a soft division?

In the last 10 years, has Kirk won anything of similar value to Fran's B10 tournament championship?

I mean it seems like Kirk's "highs" peaked 20 years ago.
At least Kirk had some. Fran had the national player of the year in back to back years basically and did absolutely nothing with it. And as I said thats a lot different having that level of player and another borderline pro out of FIVE guys. Not the same as fielding a football roster and trying to compete with OSU and Michigan now is it. How does football and basketball compare? What teams in basketball have absolutely dominated B1G basketball the last 20 years? How may teams have won the B1G in basketball? Why can't Iowa, when there is no dominant team, certainly not near the level that OSU and Michigan have dominated in football. Again you only need a few really good players to change your standing in basketball. Not the same as football in any way. And the year Fran won the B1G tourney, what was a finish in the regular season, (the one that matters), and what happened in the NCAA tournament?
 
Was that bolded part meant for me, because it has nothing to do with what I posted?
Not at all. There is a ‘glass half empty and leaking’ poster who posts and claims indifference. The definition was posted to hopefully educate them and improve their vocabulary usage.
 
That’s a completely different topic. But if you want to go down that road, that’s fine. Fran was given a dumpster fire of a basketball team. He’s brought it to respectability but you’re correct we haven’t made it past the 2nd round. If we do make it past the 2nd round will fans suddenly return? This trend was written on the wall before Fran took the reins of Iowa basketball. If we change coaches and start from scratch (which is what we’d be doing, I have no doubt most decent players would transfer) Will the fans return? Of course not. Fran gives us an exciting type of game to watch and I the fact that the players love him and want to play for him is almost enough. I’ll continue to watch and support and go to the games I can get to.

Your are happy with status quo, don't want and actually fear coaching change--- that is fine. If Someone like Rag has a diffrent opinion that also is fine. It is a message board for opinions. The lack of attendance at Carver tends to make me believe Rag's view is more widely shared than yours.

What relevance does taking over for Lickliter's Dumper Fire have to do with a coach's resume 15 years into their reign? TJ Otzelberger took over a worse dumpster fire and had his team in Sweet16 in his 1st year.

I would define a dumpster fire as a team devoid of talent. Fran's dumpster fire was he inherited two Future All B1G players from what LIckliter had on roster or had signed. Gatens was a holdover from LIckliter and was All B1G his senior year. Marble was a legacy recruit, and also future All B1G.


Anyway, to me Mulvey looks to be similar player to Braun and Dimbele in that all three are kind of lost at times and lacking skills. The big difference is Mulvey is sized for the position and can actually compete physically at the position. I don't know why Fran
hates to play Mulvey but loves to tie up the scholarship on Mulvey. If Fran were as good at his job as we are told, you would think he'd have some hardware to hang at Carver to shut up his naysayers...yet he's got nothing outside a BTT title. Alford had two and he is considered at bum,

NCAA runs are what most people want. The 1987 team was great. Lute's Final 4 team was 10-8 in regular season---no one gives a chit about that. They just remember the NCAA run. Yes, I prefer Lute Olson and TJ Otzelberg type success.
 
Your are happy with status quo, don't want and actually fear coaching change--- that is fine. If Someone like Rag has a diffrent opinion that also is fine. It is a message board for opinions. The lack of attendance at Carver tends to make me believe Rag's view is more widely shared than yours.

What relevance does taking over for Lickliter's Dumper Fire have to do with a coach's resume 15 years into their reign? TJ Otzelberger took over a worse dumpster fire and had his team in Sweet16 in his 1st year.

I would define a dumpster fire as a team devoid of talent. Fran's dumpster fire was he inherited two Future All B1G players from what LIckliter had on roster or had signed. Gatens was a holdover from LIckliter and was All B1G his senior year. Marble was a legacy recruit, and also future All B1G.


Anyway, to me Mulvey looks to be similar player to Braun and Dimbele in that all three are kind of lost at times and lacking skills. The big difference is Mulvey is sized for the position and can actually compete physically at the position. I don't know why Fran
hates to play Mulvey but loves to tie up the scholarship on Mulvey. If Fran were as good at his job as we are told, you would think he'd have some hardware to hang at Carver to shut up his naysayers...yet he's got nothing outside a BTT title. Alford had two and he is considered at bum,

NCAA runs are what most people want. The 1987 team was great. Lute's Final 4 team was 10-8 in regular season---no one gives a chit about that. They just remember the NCAA run. Yes, I prefer Lute Olson and TJ Otzelberg type success.
Never said I was happy with status quo. I’m weighing the good vs bad. There are plenty of bad things to pin on Fran and there are good things too. I will say that I agree with another poster before me that in today’s climate of portal changes changing head coaches may not be as bad as it once was. So maybe a change wouldn’t be as bad as I fear it could be.

My problem is those that only come post on the boards when we lose. They say they are true fans or at the least “fans” who have given up until a change. They’re absent during the wins and come on and chirp during the loses. Rag and CurtisJ are about the worst of those (CurtisJ being by far the worst). I haven’t done it but I’m sure if you go back through their posting history they are no where to be found when we win and post consistently when we lose.

It’s a free board and they are welcome to their opinion, as are you. That’s why I come to the boards. I won’t hit ignore on any of them because sometimes they prove a point. I want better things for Iowa basketball but I’m still not convinced that it doesn’t go through Fran. That being said, each year I’m getting closer to thinking we need a change.
 
McCaffery has 531 victories so far. If he hadn't taken off all those season to be an a assistant at ND, he could have 200+ more. Despite what all the experts on here say, anyone that wins that many games is not a horrible coach. He would never last that long and his record could be even better if he hadn't had to rebuild so many programs, including Iowa's. Now I understand the McCaffery fatigue. I suffer from it at times as well, but I've been watching Iowa basketball longer than most of you have been alive and I believe, with the exception of the NCAA's, he's done a decent job. He brings in kids we can be proud of (probably not important to some of you) and he does a lot of community and charity work. We play an exciting brand of ball and he has had one losing record since his first year. I suspect he is about done here, so I will give him support until he is no longer our head coach.
 
Never said I was happy with status quo. I’m weighing the good vs bad. There are plenty of bad things to pin on Fran and there are good things too. I will say that I agree with another poster before me that in today’s climate of portal changes changing head coaches may not be as bad as it once was. So maybe a change wouldn’t be as bad as I fear it could be.

My problem is those that only come post on the boards when we lose. They say they are true fans or at the least “fans” who have given up until a change. They’re absent during the wins and come on and chirp during the loses. Rag and CurtisJ are about the worst of those (CurtisJ being by far the worst). I haven’t done it but I’m sure if you go back through their posting history they are no where to be found when we win and post consistently when we lose.

It’s a free board and they are welcome to their opinion, as are you. That’s why I come to the boards. I won’t hit ignore on any of them because sometimes they prove a point. I want better things for Iowa basketball but I’m still not convinced that it doesn’t go through Fran. That being said, each year I’m getting closer to thinking we need a change.
How many years of the same do you think is acceptable? I for one am not that patient and really would like to be alive to see a change. TIA
 
Kirk has sold out the last two seasons via season tickets.

Fran plays in front of 7k sleepy blue hairs. Josh Dix got to celebrate his shot with 30 students.
 
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How many years of the same do you think is acceptable? I for one am not that patient and really would like to be alive to see a change. TIA
I don’t think there is a set number. I get your frustration. I want them to win too. I’m also getting impatient but I’m not sure the grass is greener on the other side.

I’m fine with a change and I’m fine sticking by Fran.
 
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McCaffery has 531 victories so far. If he hadn't taken off all those season to be an a assistant at ND, he could have 200+ more. Despite what all the experts on here say, anyone that wins that many games is not a horrible coach. He would never last that long and his record could be even better if he hadn't had to rebuild so many programs, including Iowa's. Now I understand the McCaffery fatigue. I suffer from it at times as well, but I've been watching Iowa basketball longer than most of you have been alive and I believe, with the exception of the NCAA's, he's done a decent job. He brings in kids we can be proud of (probably not important to some of you) and he does a lot of community and charity work. We play an exciting brand of ball and he has had one losing record since his first year. I suspect he is about done here, so I will give him support until he is no longer our head coach.
I don't think very many people think Fran is a bad coach. He's above average.

Hes been here a long time, he had some good chances to do something and he came up short. Now it's time to try someone else.

His tenure is not a failure it's just run it's course.
 
A Rose Bowl, really? Do you remember the Rose Bowl, better known as the McCaffrey Open? One of the few Iowa games that I shut off before halftime. There have been others since.
Would you care if Iowa had got blown out in a final four game or would you say they made the final four.
Some want to make the dumb comparison of fran to Kirk don’t understand the two sports. How many teams have made the cfp?? How many different teams have made the final four. How many different big ten football champs have there been in the two sports?
 
A Rose Bowl, really? Do you remember the Rose Bowl, better known as the McCaffrey Open? One of the few Iowa games that I shut off before halftime. There have been others since.
And you want to give a lecture about how many season of basketball you’ve watched. I suppose a winless season would have been your preference
 
McCaffery has 531 victories so far. If he hadn't taken off all those season to be an a assistant at ND, he could have 200+ more. Despite what all the experts on here say, anyone that wins that many games is not a horrible coach. He would never last that long and his record could be even better if he hadn't had to rebuild so many programs, including Iowa's. Now I understand the McCaffery fatigue. I suffer from it at times as well, but I've been watching Iowa basketball longer than most of you have been alive and I believe, with the exception of the NCAA's, he's done a decent job. He brings in kids we can be proud of (probably not important to some of you) and he does a lot of community and charity work. We play an exciting brand of ball and he has had one losing record since his first year. I suspect he is about done here, so I will give him support until he is no longer our head coach.
I completely agree with this. I have made several posts critical of Fran, including this very thread, but I ultimately support the team every game. I will continue to root for the guys even if Fran insists on starting Dembele.

You can be frustrated at a coach and still support the program. They aren't mutually exclusive ideas.

I will never understand why posters and "fans" encourage people to give up on a program. You will never ever turn things around that way.
 
I really don't want to come off as shitting on Ladji either. I'm sure he's doing his best. He's just not good at all. It's Fran starting him that's inexplicable.
It’s not that difficult to understand really. Ladji knows what Fran wants him to do on offense and defense. He doesn’t have to explain what he wants to run on offense, set picks , roll to the basket. On defense hedges and switch. He has a pretty good idea of what his starting teammates are doing and what their tendencies are. Is he as good at this , he’s ok but his feel for what he’s supposed to to do when on the few occasions he does get the ball, not so much. I still have hope that he will feel the switch in his head go on and react quicker , hit the boards hard with aggression, dunk it when he has a rebound under the basket block out better and anticipate when his opponent is going right or left and get there first, but with Traore out , Cooper out, the Sandfort’s, too slow or too small, Frans options are limited. When Tadjo learns where he is supposed to be or Cooper or Seydou get healthy and then if Ladji hasn’t improved I expect changes. Until then it’ll just be hope the shots fall from deep and that we can cause enough havoc with our guards quickness to disrupt our opponents doing whatever they want to. I’m going watch every game and enjoy the highs and suffer, a teeny bit the lows . Doing this from my couch since I’m 3.5 hours away from IC and at 70 yo don’t feel like spending 8 hours driving to and from and sitting 2 hours at the game itself. I’ve done this usually a few times a season but the older I get the more I enjoy the comforts of home. Go Hawks !!!
 
I don't think very many people think Fran is a bad coach. He's above average.

Hes been here a long time, he had some good chances to do something and he came up short. Now it's time to try someone else.

His tenure is not a failure it's just run it's course.
He's gonna coach as long as Margret allows him to. Or he will coach as long as he can to spend as much of his time away from Margret as possible. When he's tired of her nagging he just tells her, I need to take a recruiting trip.. see ya later. lol
 
It’s not that difficult to understand really. Ladji knows what Fran wants him to do on offense and defense. He doesn’t have to explain what he wants to run on offense, set picks , roll to the basket. On defense hedges and switch. He has a pretty good idea of what his starting teammates are doing and what their tendencies are. Is he as good at this , he’s ok but his feel for what he’s supposed to to do when on the few occasions he does get the ball, not so much. I still have hope that he will feel the switch in his head go on and react quicker , hit the boards hard with aggression, dunk it when he has a rebound under the basket block out better and anticipate when his opponent is going right or left and get there first, but with Traore out , Cooper out, the Sandfort’s, too slow or too small, Frans options are limited. When Tadjo learns where he is supposed to be or Cooper or Seydou get healthy and then if Ladji hasn’t improved I expect changes. Until then it’ll just be hope the shots fall from deep and that we can cause enough havoc with our guards quickness to disrupt our opponents doing whatever they want to. I’m going watch every game and enjoy the highs and suffer, a teeny bit the lows . Doing this from my couch since I’m 3.5 hours away from IC and at 70 yo don’t feel like spending 8 hours driving to and from and sitting 2 hours at the game itself. I’ve done this usually a few times a season but the older I get the more I enjoy the comforts of home. Go Hawks !!!
Ladji is not the most athletic (understatement). He plays like he's a small forward with finesse & he needs to power his way to the basket & throw down a few vicious power dunks. Even if he gets a charge here and there, make his presence known. If you get in his way, you will pay a price. I dare you to take this charge! That's the guy we need at the power forward position.
 

Did Mulvey Sleep With Fran's Mother?​




Interesting if true, since she's dead.



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And you want to give a lecture about how many season of basketball you’ve watched. I suppose a winless season would have been your preference
Oh please! That Rose Bowl that you're so proud of was a horror show that we were behind 35-0 at half. I found better things to do because I'm not a masochist.
 
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