Damn, that's horrible coaching down the stretch. Need to be at least .500 in those games. Fran way below that.
Fran's behavior is counter-productive
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Okay yea his late game collapses are well noted. But I will go as far to say that I would count out the first 2 years of his time here. So we are in year 5 right now. I think his MO is let the players decide the outcome. What if he calls TO in those situations and we can't in bound the ball or worse turn it over? So I think Fran knows what he is doing in that regards. I can go back and count on my hand single handily where the shot was either WIDE OPEN or the look was remotely decent for the win/tie and we missed. I can also look back and remember a few times where we had the ball in our best players hand and they either turned it over or missed attacking the basket. So the set play or idea was there, but the execution was not completed.
If Iowa was #19 in the polls and sitting at 14-4 no one would care about his antics. But since Iowa is 11-8 and 3-4 in the league everyone is up in arms about his behavior. I personally don't care about his antics, his players obviously respect him and play for him. I have not problem with it and anyone who does, maybe needs to go follow Todd Lickliter (he shows no emotion).
If Iowa was #19 in the polls and sitting at 14-4 no one would care about his antics. But since Iowa is 11-8 and 3-4 in the league everyone is up in arms about his behavior. I personally don't care about his antics, his players obviously respect him and play for him. I have not problem with it and anyone who does, maybe needs to go follow Todd Lickliter (he shows no emotion).
I'd say his behavior has had some effects otherwise we'd still be seeing Ted Valentine screw us over (and over).
I don't give a F--- about martin. If he's an ass or not, don't care. The question is whether or not fran's antics affect his ability to coach. What Frank does, doesn't mean $hit.
I think it does.
I guess that considering his overall record we don't get blown out much.
But then the improvements and the recent recruiting successes don't get brought up because.........don't like Fran.
I like fran. I think he is doing well, outside of 2 areas, finding a quick pg and end of game situations.I guess that considering his overall record we don't get blown out much.
Just wish he would handle the ends of games differently. I think he plays the wrong people too often, runs the same low % sets, doesn't sub o for d enough or at all at times, won't change, let's anger affect him, won't effectively use time outs to name a few.
I'll try to break down the games you mentioned, 5 points or less and OT. It seems to me I did that last year and it turned out opponents had a lot to do with it. Busy now...later. I came to the conclusion it was talent. It wins in the end. Is that on Fran? Yes. Is it being addressed? Looks like it to me. A good coach can keep his team in games sometimes but come crunch time if you don't have the horses talent usually wins.
Personally, I don't care if our PG is in a wheel chair as long as we win. And I'm glad you like Fran. I'd hate to see your posts if you didn't.
You can always claim talent or experience. Last season was arguable frans most talented and experienced and he was:
1-5 in +/- 5 point games
2-0 in ot
3-5 overall.
If memory serves in many of our close games we lost leads towards the end of games but I'm not going to go back and look at scores with 4 minutes left.
If you are going to claim talent is the problem after 7 seasons then we need to either discuss recruiting (which outside of a pg I am ok with) then you must look at how we finish games.
1-5 in +/- 5 point games
2-0 in ot
3-5 overall.
If memory serves in many of our close games we lost leads towards the end of games but I'm not going to go back and look at scores with 4 minutes left.
If you are going to claim talent is the problem after 7 seasons then we need to either discuss recruiting (which outside of a pg I am ok with) then you must look at how we finish games.
Here are the regular season numbers, from a quick count:
2010-2011 to 2012-2013, first three years:
Against teams outside the top 25, 12-21
Against teams inside the top 25, 2-14
2013/14 to today:
Against teams outside the top 25, 8-12
Against teams inside the top 25, 0-7
As to our record against top 25 teams:
Same first three years, 5-16
Since then, 9-11
Yeah so you make of that what I'm sure you will. But it looks to me like we've improved in all areas, which is exactly what one wants a program to do. I don't know what your metrics are, but I prefer a close loss to being blown out. And I trust that as the talent improves, so will our results. I dismiss your comment about seven years being too long to find talent as entirely out of hand. If ONCE I ever saw you quote a positive stat I think I'd drop a load in my pants.
Keep selling that terrible 3-5 record in close games from last year...just keep selling. But I'm not buying.
Sorry Dan I'm not sure where your numbers are coming from. You'll need to explain them further.
Are you saying Fran went 14-35 his first three years?
Are you saying Fran went 14-35 his first three years?
One last thing. I realize that as couch coaches we all have a right to criticize. And yeah, we have had a lot of close losses. What gets me is aside from the obligatory and off hand, "I like Fran" comments in the middle of your complaints? I don't believe I've seen on actual comment about something GOOD going on.
What about that recent 9-11 record over top 25 teams? That doesn't show us heading in the right direction? All done, to avoid ticking you off like the last time, I'll drop the subject. Besides, I'm more concerned about things moving forward than looking behind and cherry picking the worst of a program that has done pretty well.
What about that recent 9-11 record over top 25 teams? That doesn't show us heading in the right direction? All done, to avoid ticking you off like the last time, I'll drop the subject. Besides, I'm more concerned about things moving forward than looking behind and cherry picking the worst of a program that has done pretty well.
Good catch, like I said I did it quick, first three years:
4-9, and against top 25 teams 3-7
Since then, 8-12 and 0-7
Again forgive me I've been having a few drinks tonight but your numbers aren't making sense to me. I think you might be raising a good point but I'm not sure.
What's the 4-9? We were 3-7 the first three years against top 25 teams? Is that right we only played 10 rated teams in 3 years?
I'm confused.
We played ten top twenty-five teams to a five point or less, or overtime game, in the first three years. 3 wins, seven losses. Considering where the program was when Fran arrived..it doesn't seem so bad to me.
We are trending up in that regard but according to those numbers we are not getting to .500 against the spread.
I've watched all the games I'll stand by the under 4 minute problems.
I've watched all the games I'll stand by the under 4 minute problems.
That's fine, taken as part of the whole, yes, close games have been tough on us. However, I'll take the methods of a coach who has been successful everywhere he went and you can put blinders on me, I'll still think that there are factors beyond just McCaffery.
If I didn't know better the complaints on Fran's character sound like Nebraska football zombies. The moral superiority of the fan is amazing. Maybe we should hire a minister as coach.
What type of coach do you want? Take a look on YouTube at espn darling coach K and watch the choir boy at work.
What type of coach do you want? Take a look on YouTube at espn darling coach K and watch the choir boy at work.
This is only a story because it allows for easy, lazy journalism from the national media. Guys who watch Iowa play for less than 20 minutes a year saying Iowa fans should be embarrassed is comical
What's worse the lazy journalism or the handful of people that think the lazy journalism means anything?
This made me smile. Having a few drinks and get behind the computer and start arguing wins & losses..........................I've done the same.
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He looked like a lunatic running around the court chasing the refs.
I know, but I gave him a 2 year pass. How they won any game those first two years was shocking!
Fran has some good and some bad games, but overall his late game issues are not entirely on him. The plays he sets up have been there, the shots just have not fallen. OR our "best" player turns the ball over. I will go back and give you some examples:
The good:
2011 vs #6 Purdue (Fran called a great OB play to get the ball into Gatens hands)
The Bad:
2012 vs NW (Olgesby missed a WIDE OPEN 3) Play was there, shot didn't fall
2014 vs ILL (Iowa hit a jumper w/8 seconds to go) Kid from ILL made a good shot
2014 vs TENN (Marble had a great look at end of regulation, the shot fell)
Funny. Watch ANY college basketball game. Let me know who the coach is that did not yell at the refs at multiple points in the game.... Outide of an exhibition game, or an enormous blowout right out the gates, you will never find one.
Heck, You are not going to find that in a Disney movie!?!
I commend Fran being there at the end of the game. He didn't get ran, not even so much as a T.
The Maryland game was like a mini MSU/Izzo type game. Maryland was fouling as much as it wanted to and pretty much told the officials "you can't call them all".
The Maryland game was like a mini MSU/Izzo type game. Maryland was fouling as much as it wanted to and pretty much told the officials "you can't call them all".
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I like where the program is headed. I think the close game stats will improve over the next 4 years. A lot of the last 3-4 years was due to us having one of the most non clutch players I have seen. I also think you will disappear when it turns around. Either that or you will find something else to complain about. You are a negative person.
Good point--Valentine screwed us over. I don't think our issues with losing close games have been ref related other than Valentine.
I think Fran's late game problems are directly due to lack of getting a true stud PG and in general, lack of perimeter shot creators.
And if it doesn't?
Your worried about me being negative, you just blamed all of our players for our late game woes. Yep it's the players fault, Fran has no skin in the game.
I'm not a cheerleader. Message boards are most often used for venting.
The inconsistency of college officiating is laughable. I told my wife with about 3 minutes to go, we seems to be getting a lot of the close calls, the officials need to even things out. Then Melo heads to baseline and basically runs out of bounds and the official with absolutely worst angle makes what I believe is a horrible. The Peter gets hammered at mid court right out in front of two officials and no call. Don't know if any of you recall the two weak blocks Pemsl was called for against. The bugeaters late in the game?
Consistency is just terrible in game and from game to game. Frustrating as a fan, can understand why Fran goes crazy. I am a Hawkeye homer, but it seems at the end of most games we are on the short end of the officials whistles.
Consistency is just terrible in game and from game to game. Frustrating as a fan, can understand why Fran goes crazy. I am a Hawkeye homer, but it seems at the end of most games we are on the short end of the officials whistles.
Not just limited to the end of the game. Two minutes in, Moss gets hit on his shooting forearm, clear as day two feet in front of the little ref, and the shot comes up three feet short. Fran gave the little guy an ear full when they came back down the floor. A few more Iowa possessions later, Jok drives, and again is obviously shoved out of bounds. Jok throws the ball to Maryland.
There were several other obvious calls that for whatever reason were just not called. Moss getting hammered on a lay up and you look over to Lamont Simpon with his hands straight up. Cook getting absolutely cleared out by that big Ivan dude. The three step "Euro" layup.
As I said before, credit Fran for even being around at the end of the game.
Normally I think that little ref calls a decent game. Lamont Simpson has always been garbage.
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I wish Fran would act in a more mature manner. Some of the calls he questions are, well, questionable. If he were a legendary coach with great teams, it would be one thing, but Fran is a so-so BIG coach with a team that generally struggles to be near the top year-in and year-out. If he were a "character," then it might pass mustard, but our coach looks like a corporation lawyer or an economics professor. He just looks bad when he goes off. So-called "bad calls" by refs are just part of most games on every level.
In seven years of watching, I've yet to see Fran lose it or "go off" over one or two bad calls. Fran has been around the game long enough to know bad calls are going to happen. Fran also knows that with honest officiating, the calls will pretty much even out in the end. In the games where Fran has blown up at the officials he's been justified IMO and put up with a lot leading up to the blow up. UNI, @Wisc, MSU (B1G tournament) and even the Maryland game.
Did you hear what they said about Fran's melt down on the Sound Off program tonight? If interested you can probably read it at www.whotv.com.
