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Frost v Fleck

Who puts up an 8-win season first?


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Sorry was my reply too long for an iowan to read.

The irony of this is both my undergrads and mac are from nebraska universities. (Which is why I know about your $hitty town)

I was looking for actually examples of this "win at all costs" claim(I provided them). I didn't get anything, but made up crap or ignorance...whichever.

Naturally you'd go with trying to skew my thought that NU will complete for division titles to "taking over the world". (Read the thread you guys are talking about more than division titles) When your argument is week, just dip into hyperbole. (Agreed which is what makes the rest of your post hilarious)

The coaching staff iowa beat is completely gone. New staff, building a new culture, new administration, new and proven offensive system, and honestly the defense can't be worse that it was under Diaco. (Ok)

I'll put it this way. Under Pelini NU was winning 9 games a year and beating iowa 2 out of 3. Bo was and is not a good HC, but he did have a decent strength program and discipline.(nobody gives a $hit) Hence, why he's at YSU now. Frost has quickly moved up the ranks and been successful at every stop. He's 100x more impressive than Bo or Riley. If Pelini can win 9 games while being an average at best HC and average recruiter. I think Frost, at NU, can do better. Common sense would tell anyone this. I can see how you'd miss that though.( no, we expect better than 4-8, you wouldnt have been invited to the confrence if the one thing you actually bring was consistently 4-8)

  • PS. Agree Runza's suck...O St isn't bad at all, but the Haymarket is better than anything in IC.( the haymarket is in Omaha and Des moines $hits on omaha)..never had Sparky's sauce so IDK but ketchup is awesome...agree that Nebraska has a bigger dick than iowa (iowa's capital looks like a short stubby dick now that you mentioned it)(spoken like someone who probably has a small dick)...Neb and iowa are very similar geographically so lol( not even fing close. Again I lived in nebby for 13 years there isnt anything near as brown and dry in iowa as everything west of york)...you haven't seen this new 3-4 so you don't know shit actually and honestly I haven't seen it either so neither can really comment on it.(agreed but diaco was universally regarded as a guru)..how's iowa's sellout streak or even game attendance #s?...our 5 win team made a bowl because we have excellent student athletes, (no you dont you benefitted from too many bowl games your school is shit, I seriously know a guy who is like a 83 iq that graduated from unl) how's your 12-0 rings for your 12-2 season lol!( remember this part when you talk about the insult fest you dunce)...TO is recognized as one of the best all time HCs in college football(so is jo pa), which iowa HC carries those same accolades?(evy)

PSS. It's impossible to have a rational discussion with most iowa fans. Really is(probably because we encourage decent sentence structure). I enjoy discussions, but 90% of the time iowa fan turns it into an insult-fest. I have theories why, but would get banned if I shared them.

There you go.

Haymarket is in Lincoln.

Old Market is in Omaha.

Just an FYI.
 
O $hit, you are talking about the crappy area lazlos is in. Didnt they rebrand that "the rail yard", yeah that place is so awesome businesses cant even stay around.
 
Sorry was my reply too long for an iowan to read.

The irony of this is both my undergrads and mac are from nebraska universities. (Which is why I know about your $hitty town) I don't live in Lincoln. I live in Denver. I personally don't like IC, but I don't think it's a $hithole. However, nobody but iowa fan thinks Lincoln isn't a nice town and a really good college town. More stuff to do close to UNLs campus than in IC.

I was looking for actually examples of this "win at all costs" claim(I provided them) No you listed things that don't in anyway prove what I was asking. If you think they do please go ahead and expand on them. You didn't address my counterpoints at all. I didn't get anything, but made up crap or ignorance...whichever.

Naturally you'd go with trying to skew my thought that NU will complete for division titles to "taking over the world". (Read the thread you guys are talking about more than division titles) I wasn't responding to the whole thread. I was responding to one post, hence the reply to given post. When your argument is week, just dip into hyperbole. (Agreed which is what makes the rest of your post hilarious) Explain what I posted that is hyperbole? I tried to provide reasoning behind all my points, right or wrong. You've mostly just made biased, false, blanket statements with no backing.

The coaching staff iowa beat is completely gone. New staff, building a new culture, new administration, new and proven offensive system, and honestly the defense can't be worse that it was under Diaco. (Ok) Okay

I'll put it this way. Under Pelini NU was winning 9 games a year and beating iowa 2 out of 3. Bo was and is not a good HC, but he did have a decent strength program and discipline.(nobody gives a $hit) Good rebuttle, very convincing argument why I'm wrong. Hence, why he's at YSU now. Frost has quickly moved up the ranks and been successful at every stop. He's 100x more impressive than Bo or Riley. If Pelini can win 9 games while being an average at best HC and average recruiter. I think Frost, at NU, can do better. Common sense would tell anyone this. I can see how you'd miss that though.( no, we expect better than 4-8, you wouldnt have been invited to the confrence if the one thing you actually bring was consistently 4-8) Fact: NU was 4-8 once. Since joining the B1G in 2011 NU's record 56-35: iowa's record during that same period (including a 4-8 season) 54-35. Maybe iowa shouldn't be in the B1G. Hate to let facts get in the way. NU also brings a championship history that iowa will never have.

  • PS. Agree Runza's suck...O St isn't bad at all, but the Haymarket is better than anything in IC.( the haymarket is in Omaha and Des moines $hits on omaha) This is getting too easy - http://lincolnhaymarket.org/..never had Sparky's sauce so IDK but ketchup is awesome...agree that Nebraska has a bigger dick than iowa (iowa's capital looks like a short stubby dick now that you mentioned it)(spoken like someone who probably has a small dick) you'd like to find out wouldn't you? I'm not that kinda guy, sorry...Neb and iowa are very similar geographically so lol( not even fing close. Again I lived in nebby for 13 years there isnt anything near as brown and dry in iowa as everything west of york) I've driven through all parts of iowa for work...this just isn't true. Also - https://www.bestplaces.net/compare-cities/omaha_ne/des_moines_ia/climate...you haven't seen this new 3-4 so you don't know shit actually and honestly I haven't seen it either so neither can really comment on it.(agreed but diaco was universally regarded as a guru) Diaco is now recognized as universally terrible and why he won't sniff a DC job in a long time..how's iowa's sellout streak or even game attendance #s?...our 5 win team made a bowl because we have excellent student athletes, (no you dont you benefitted from too many bowl games your school is shit, I seriously know a guy who is like a 83 iq that graduated from unl) What? Educate yourself. It's called APR. Here - http://www.espn.com/blog/ncfnation/...-bowl-invite-after-ncaa-decision-on-5-7-teams. how's your 12-0 rings for your 12-2 season lol!( remember this part when you talk about the insult fest you dunce) Who insulted who first?...TO is recognized as one of the best all time HCs in college football(so is jo pa) please provide proof TO allows little boys or anything close to that to happen. I'll wait., which iowa HC carries those same accolades?(evy) not a word

PSS. It's impossible to have a rational discussion with most iowa fans. Really is(probably because we encourage decent sentence structure). If that's the case you should have been banned a long time ago. I enjoy discussions, but 90% of the time iowa fan turns it into an insult-fest. I have theories why, but would get banned if I shared them.

There you go.

Lol. This is fun isn't it. You say something and I correct you. You seem angry.
 
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You truly are to stupid to have a conversation with. You asked for examples, I should have just responded "mo washington." When you imply someone would like to see your genitals you are in fact a dunce. Hey quick question if Nebraska is so cool, why did you move to Denver? Lincoln sucks a$s, you cannot get from the south side (nice side until they put a Walmart next to the nicest development in town) to the interstate in less than 30 minutes. I get it dude, you are insecure because your team has sucked and now you have hope before anything actually happens on the field.
 
Follow up: Illinios sucks, no one cares enough about them to talk $hit. By you being here you do realize you are actively acknowledging you perceive Iowa as a threat, right?
 
You truly are to stupid to have a conversation with. You asked for examples, I should have just responded "mo washington." When you imply someone would like to see your genitals you are in fact a dunce. Hey quick question if Nebraska is so cool, why did you move to Denver? Lincoln sucks a$s, you cannot get from the south side (nice side until they put a Walmart next to the nicest development in town) to the interstate in less than 30 minutes. I get it dude, you are insecure because your team has sucked and now you have hope before anything actually happens on the field.
This is getting dumb. Thanks for that.

You're example of Mo Washington being a reason Frost is "win at all costs" doesn't make sense and you've been asked several times to explain it and you haven't. More likely you can't. I didn't think you could and now I know you can't so no need to answer, unless you actually have an intelligent reply.

You brought up my genitals...not me. Maybe stop thinking about my junk.

I've lived all over and never once implied Lincoln is better than Denver. Simply stated it's a nice city and good college town. I'd be happy to send my son there. You're reaching.

Yes, it takes longer to drive across Lincoln than small towns like IC. If you think Lincoln roadways or traffic is bad. Please do not live in any city larger than 250K. Lol, seriously man!

Explain to me how I've come across as insecure? I've simply stated and provided my reason why I think NU will get better. I looked at history that is a good indicator or future results. Frost is a hella good coach. He recruits pretty well, is a hot name right now, develops players, understands what it takes to win at a place like Nebraska, and has a offensive scheme that has proven at Oregon and UCF to be one if not the most potent offense out there.

Actually, your signature explains my thoughts on why NU will be really good in the next 2-3 years.

Everybody talks about hard work beating talent, more talent pounds lesser talent when it works equally as hard.

They can out-recruit iowa, Wisc, NW, and the rest of the B1G West every year. Now that they have a coach that will demand they work just as hard as a team like iowa...why wouldn't NU be better than iowa soon? NU will have more talent and as long as they work equally hard, they'll pound iowa :D
 
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Nebraska fan here, short of assault, rape, and murder I hope we are win at all costs. Getting creative with the roster is a good thing.
 
Nebraska fan here, short of assault, rape, and murder I hope we are win at all costs. Getting creative with the roster is a good thing.

I noticed NCAA rules and academic "flexibility" weren't on your list. Props for being honest.
 
This is getting dumb. Thanks for that.

You're example of Mo Washington being a reason Frost is "win at all costs" doesn't make sense and you've been asked several times to explain it and you haven't. More likely you can't. I didn't think you could and now I know you can't so no need to answer, unless you actually have an intelligent reply.

You brought up my genitals...not me. Maybe stop thinking about my junk.

I've lived all over and never once implied Lincoln is better than Denver. Simply stated it's a nice city and good college town. I'd be happy to send my son there. You're reaching.

Yes, it takes longer to drive across Lincoln than small towns like IC. If you think Lincoln roadways or traffic is bad. Please do not live in any city larger than 250K. Lol, seriously man!

Explain to me how I've come across as insecure? I've simply stated and provided my reason why I think NU will get better. I looked at history that is a good indicator or future results. Frost is a hella good coach. He recruits pretty well, is a hot name right now, develops players, understands what it takes to win at a place like Nebraska, and has a offensive scheme that has proven at Oregon and UCF to be one if not the most potent offense out there.

Actually, your signature explains my thoughts on why NU will be really good in the next 2-3 years.

Everybody talks about hard work beating talent, more talent pounds lesser talent when it works equally as hard.

They can out-recruit iowa, Wisc, NW, and the rest of the B1G West every year. Now that they have a coach that will demand they work just as hard as a team like iowa...why wouldn't NU be better than iowa soon? NU will have more talent and as long as they work equally hard, they'll pound iowa :D
There is no way you are this dumb. Mo washington didnt get touched by anyone because he was a giant risk, except scooter. Large cities have an infrastructure designed to allow you to move freely, lincoln was built by small brains and has 0 access. "Hella good" fvck u, I already hate you. You're from nebraska you butt fvck. Everything you have is hope, what you dont have are wins. Your once proud tradition was build on steroids, enabling, and an old rule that allowed partial qualifiers. Are you not slightly embarrassed you represent a school that fought the b12 to not raise academic standards? Nebraska is the doormat of the west, deal with it.
 
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weenie answer.

Since you have mentioned the term "win at all costs" in several different threads, define what you mean or STFU.

Are we under a Frost warning?
This is all very skeeeery.
Maybe prayer would help me deal with a projected 5 win team we curbstomped last season.

Can you hold me?
 
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Guys. Guys. Guys. Let me settle this for you. Once Brohm gets his team built, it won't matter whose the better. You both will finish behind Purdue.
 
Guys. Guys. Guys. Let me settle this for you. Once Brohm gets his team built, it won't matter whose the better. You both will finish behind Purdue.

Believe it or not I actually think this is much more likely to happen than old closet hider actually producing year in and year out.
 
Believe it or not I actually think this is much more likely to happen than old closet hider actually producing year in and year out.

If you really believe that and are not just spouting off because of your hatred for the Huskers you truly are an idiot. You bring nothing intelligent to the conversation. Now just one more to ignore.
 
If you really believe that and are not just spouting off because of your hatred for the Huskers you truly are an idiot. You bring nothing intelligent to the conversation. Now just one more to ignore.

I guess you don't think Brohm and Purdue can win the west? Can I ask why?
 
If you really believe that and are not just spouting off because of your hatred for the Huskers you truly are an idiot. You bring nothing intelligent to the conversation. Now just one more to ignore.
O shucks a nebraska BF ignored me on our own board. Fvck off.
 
I guess you don't think Brohm and Purdue can win the west? Can I ask why?

There is no rational with them. They still think they are in the little 8. Dont worry the season will come soon enough and they will get back to getting curb stomped.
 
Brohm is recruiting at a level we haven't seen since tiller. When we weren't getting curb stomped. We were top 25 actually. As for young, all indications point to him committing to Purdue.
 
I guess you don't think Brohm and Purdue can win the west? Can I ask why?

Apparently the only teams who can even be considered to win the West over the next decade are Nebraska and Wisconsin. I actually think Purdue could win the West in Brohm's tenure. He can coach. I can make a case for Wisconsin, Purdue, Iowa or Northwestern winning the West this year. Subsequent years Nebraska will definitely be in the mix. But to say Purdue won't be a contender with Brohm is just odd.
 
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I'm not sure we will be a contender yet this year. We will be like last year. Our defense has a lot of shoes to fill and they will be filled with freshman for the most part. The offense should be much improved though. If the receivers can catch the ball this year, that will be a big win!
 
Apparently the only teams who can even be considered to win the West over the next decade are Nebraska and Wisconsin. I actually think Purdue could win the West in Brohm's tenure. He can coach. I can make a case for Wisconsin, Purdue, Iowa or Northwestern winning the West this year. Subsequent years Nebraska will definitely be in the mix. But to say Purdue won't be a contender with Brohm is just odd.

I have no idea what motivations Brohm has but the hardest part for Purdue could be keeping Brohm.
 
What does Brohm not have that he needs at Purdue to stay and succeed? / Where would he go that's better?
 
Could they? Maybe. But I'm not sure it's a better job. The Purdue job has changed a lot in the last 2 years. It shows in coaching and recruiting.
 
What does Brohm not have that he needs at Purdue to stay and succeed? / Where would he go that's better?

Is this a serious question? If Brohm can turn around that program he will be the next hot coach on the market with every single top program with an opening after him. No offense but there's 30+ football programs that are better in every way (more money, history, facilities, recruiting proximity). Does he have ties to Purdue or the state of Indiana? If not he will leave within 3 years. However he does seem like a loyal guy and could stick around for a while. I personally think if he stays it's going to make them a 8+ win team annually and a contender in the West...certainly over NW.
 
Could they? Maybe. But I'm not sure it's a better job. The Purdue job has changed a lot in the last 2 years. It shows in coaching and recruiting.

From an outsider, the Purdue job doesn't look like it's an equal job to Louisville. But that's just one person's perception. He's Louisville born and raised, and its his alma-mater. We've seen in recent history the power that an alma-mater has on drawing coaches to their school. I don't see why this would be different. It's not like he's coaching at a blue blood program. I don't mean disrespect, I think that's the truth.

Can you tell me what some of the things are that I may not be considering or aware of about the Purdue job that have changed for the better in the last two years?
 
Could they? Maybe. But I'm not sure it's a better job. The Purdue job has changed a lot in the last 2 years. It shows in coaching and recruiting.

For the record, I hope he stays put at Purdue. I think Purdue getting good again is great for the B1G brand and it's teams. I was not pleased to see Indiana lose/get rid of Kevin Wilson (he had to go, but I wish he wouldn't have made it a necessity). I much prefer a conference where every week is a battle as opposed to a league where the bottom few teams are not competitive.
 
You truly are to stupid to have a conversation with. You asked for examples, I should have just responded "mo washington." When you imply someone would like to see your genitals you are in fact a dunce. Hey quick question if Nebraska is so cool, why did you move to Denver? Lincoln sucks a$s, you cannot get from the south side (nice side until they put a Walmart next to the nicest development in town) to the interstate in less than 30 minutes. I get it dude, you are insecure because your team has sucked and now you have hope before anything actually happens on the field.
It's too, not to genius as in the opening of your post. You truly are to stupid to have a conversation with. Did you even graduate from high school? Probably a dropout, but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt! LMAO!!
 
They get $50 mil a year in big ten money which has allowed them to build a $65 million football only training facility (this has been a recruiting game changer), we have proven we will pay him and his assistants by signing him to a $3.5 million deal that goes up to $4.5 mil by the end of his deal. It also allows his assistants pool at $3.9 million which has allowed him to hire recruiting coordinators from Ohio St and Northwestern. We also are continuing to do more to the stadium leading up to our south endzone plan where the AD has said they would like to spend around $250 million because we want to win at Purdue. Plus Brohm seems to be happy. I'd say Purdue is just as good as Louisville. Wasn't 2 years ago. Our new AD has been a game changer.
 
You ever tried to type too into a phone with quick type? It's a pain in the ass. Again both of my undergrads and my M.A.C are from the 2nd and 3rd best universities in your state. I will concede CU is better than N.W.U and Doane.
 
They get $50 mil a year in big ten money which has allowed them to build a $65 million football only training facility (this has been a recruiting game changer), we have proven we will pay him and his assistants by signing him to a $3.5 million deal that goes up to $4.5 mil by the end of his deal. It also allows his assistants pool at $3.9 million which has allowed him to hire recruiting coordinators from Ohio St and Northwestern. We also are continuing to do more to the stadium leading up to our south endzone plan where the AD has said they would like to spend around $250 million because we want to win at Purdue. Plus Brohm seems to be happy. I'd say Purdue is just as good as Louisville. Wasn't 2 years ago. Our new AD has been a game changer.

So you are saying your AD has made changes that has improved the desirability and performance of your athletic programs? How profound.......
 
So you are saying your AD has made changes that has improved the desirability and performance of your athletic programs? How profound.......

It's an amazing concept isn't it! Our previous AD didn't understand that. He instead would hire a coach and expect them to win with facilities from the 90's and the lowest possible budget. Was not a good job.
 
Could they? Maybe. But I'm not sure it's a better job. The Purdue job has changed a lot in the last 2 years. It shows in coaching and recruiting.

I think Brohm is a good coach and I applaud your optimism...the Big Ten can always use an upgrade and Purdue is trending up.

But a "job" doesn't suddenly improve in 2 years. You were 3-9 and 7-6 the last two years. Your home attendance numbers got a nice bump (thank you alcohol sales) but they were are near the bottom of the conference (dead last in 2016). So, nowhere to go but up.

You're trending well, but you have a ways to go. I don't Notre Dame is worried about losing market share yet.
 
Purdue fans didn't just disappear. We took 4 years of football off. But no, I agree that we aren't a national team, but we are an up and coming team with a good coach that has everything he needs to win recruits vs OSU, Michigan, and Iowa. Alcohol sales weren't the reason for the huge attendance bump. It was the product on the field. It's the same reason we will get another huge boost this year. Purdue can be a destination job. That's if you consider Iowa, northwestern, minnesota, and other teams like that as destination jobs.
 
Purdue fans didn't just disappear. We took 4 years of football off. But no, I agree that we aren't a national team, but we are an up and coming team with a good coach that has everything he needs to win recruits vs OSU, Michigan, and Iowa. Alcohol sales weren't the reason for the huge attendance bump. It was the product on the field. It's the same reason we will get another huge boost this year. Purdue can be a destination job. That's if you consider Iowa, northwestern, minnesota, and other teams like that as destination jobs.

as the saying goes, that's a big "IF". Not sure what other teams "like that" are...other than Big Ten teams. Minne, NWestern and Iowa's football programs have very different profiles.

The money and prestige of the Big Ten makes any B1G job a "good" job, and winning will fill more seats..where ever you are. But the term "destination job" only fits a few. Northwestern and Minnesota are not one of them...neither is Purdue. (and to answer your reply "SO...are you saying IOWA is?!") It's not a Penn St or Michigan, but it's solidly in that next tier.
 
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How is Iowa any different? Not trying to be a jerk, but I don't see Iowa as a destination powerhouse job.
 
How is Iowa any different? Not trying to be a jerk, but I don't see Iowa as a destination powerhouse job.

First of all let's correct your subtle misrepresentation of what I said. You seem like a reasonable guy (and thank you for that, we get plenty of clone, husker and goopher trolls over here) so I'll assume you just missed it.

I wrote that Iowa was: "not a Penn St or Michigan, but it's solidly in that next tier." not... "we're a powerhouse". That clarified, here are a few areas to start your research:

attendance
won/loss record over the last 40 years
annual revenue of the football program
national brand recognition
awards of both players and coaches over the last 40 years

Look around this website and you'll find plenty of links in various threads placing IOWA in the TOP 25 of pretty much every category above (and some I've overlooked). Here are a few starters...you can take it from there.

http://www.businessinsider.com/schools-most-revenue-college-sports-2016-10#21-oregon--1057-million-5

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2017.pdf

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/college-footballs-top-25-logos-2016

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nc...college-football-fan-bases/ss-AAs8PR3#image=3

I got nothin' against the Boilers, I like to see you on the upswing. It's good for the conference and in my experience your fans seem pretty decent. Just sayin' you've got a ways to go until you start showing up on some of those lists.

Good luck! You got us in 2017, we'll be ready this year.
 
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