Hello, Can some-one show me a future line-up that has no holes in it. Where we score a few points at each weight at nationals. Lately I've been reading about some of you thinking we're going to win two national titles during Spencer Lee's time at Iowa. We have future star recruits now and coming but we still have holes like past years. This year our holes are at 141 and 189, I doubt we get any points at these weights, nothing against these hard working great kids. Also at 157, Kemerer will be under sized, going up a weight. The guys can be a lot stronger than you. He will not beat Nolf or Jo Jo Smith this year, just my opinion. If he finishes 4th at nationals that would be great. At 165, I doubt Brands lets Marinelli. If that happens then we have three holes in the line-up. If Marinelli wrestles he won't win the title, this year or the next. With Martinez here, it's doubtful Marinelli can beat him. i hope I'm way wrong and he beats Martinez. Can he beat Jordan and Massa, what do you people think? So the best he gets is 4th at nationals which is still great. Penn State and Oklahoma State can be beat in a dual meet but not at this years nationals. Also, did i read that Meyers is out for Iowa, if so thats another huge hole for us this year. Our karma is not good, right off the bat we're having bad luck with all the leg injuries. Please at least offer up future line-ups for me, I love reading your guys opinions athought. Thank you.
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189 has been a weak spot for years. We are not expected to score a single point at that weight this year. Brands has totally ignored recruiting this weight for whatever reason.
Every team has "holes" or ones that might not qualify or score points at nationals. Right now, here is how it looks:
125-Gilman (likely finalist and decent shot to win it)
133-Clark (Top 3)
141-Carton (one of the holes you are talking about): Likely qualifier but would like to see a whole season
149-Sorensen (Top 4)
157-Kemerer (Top 6): I think he will be fine weight-wise but would not be surprised to see him as a top 4 to a finalist. Yes, I think he can go with Jo Jo...be a reach to say he beats Nolf
165-(One of these holes again)
o not know yet. Could be Marinelli if he is healthy. Very tough bracket and I think he would be lucky to finish top 6 right now. Still have not seen enough of him at the college level. Should be fine next year once he puts on weight. If not Marinelli, the rumor is Gunther. Gunther is a hard-nosed kid and could be a qualifier.174-Meyers is not out...but he is a riddle wrapped in an enigma. Could finish top 4, could go 0 and BBQ
184-Brooks could finish 8th...he could make the finals. Has that kind of talent if he has the momentum
197-Starter is likely Cash Wilcke. He will be giving up some weight but he is a goer and seems good on his technique. With a weak weight, he might surprise some people and get a few points.
HWY:Sam Stoll-Anywhere from 5-8 if he is healthy.
My prediction for this year? We need a lot of things to go really right for us. Gilman, Clark, Sorensen, Kemerer have to be really clutch...like finals clutch. Brooks is going to have to be top 4 and Meyers needs to AA along with Stoll. If Marinelli goes, he would have to shock some folks. I think we end up 4th or 5th this year again. Really, I am hoping that Gilman and Clark win it...I would be very happy for them.
actually it's a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigmaEvery team has "holes" or ones that might not qualify or score points at nationals. Right now, here is how it looks:
125-Gilman (likely finalist and decent shot to win it)
133-Clark (Top 3)
141-Carton (one of the holes you are talking about): Likely qualifier but would like to see a whole season
149-Sorensen (Top 4)
157-Kemerer (Top 6): I think he will be fine weight-wise but would not be surprised to see him as a top 4 to a finalist. Yes, I think he can go with Jo Jo...be a reach to say he beats Nolf
165-(One of these holes again)
174-Meyers is not out...but he is a riddle wrapped in an enigma. Could finish top 4, could go 0 and BBQ
184-Brooks could finish 8th...he could make the finals. Has that kind of talent if he has the momentum
197-Starter is likely Cash Wilcke. He will be giving up some weight but he is a goer and seems good on his technique. With a weak weight, he might surprise some people and get a few points.
HWY:Sam Stoll-Anywhere from 5-8 if he is healthy.
Actually it's ariddle wrapped in a mystery
My prediction for this year? We need a lot of things to go really right for us. Gilman, Clark, Sorensen, Kemerer have to be really clutch...like finals clutch. Brooks is going to have to be top 4 and Meyers needs to AA along with Stoll. If Marinelli goes, he would have to shock some folks. I think we end up 4th or 5th this year again. Really, I am hoping that Gilman and Clark win it...I would be very happy for them.
Every team has "holes" or ones that might not qualify or score points at nationals. Right now, here is how it looks:
125-Gilman (likely finalist and decent shot to win it)
133-Clark (Top 3)
141-Carton (one of the holes you are talking about): Likely qualifier but would like to see a whole season
149-Sorensen (Top 4)
157-Kemerer (Top 6): I think he will be fine weight-wise but would not be surprised to see him as a top 4 to a finalist. Yes, I think he can go with Jo Jo...be a reach to say he beats Nolf
165-(One of these holes again)
174-Meyers is not out...but he is a riddle wrapped in an enigma. Could finish top 4, could go 0 and BBQ
184-Brooks could finish 8th...he could make the finals. Has that kind of talent if he has the momentum
197-Starter is likely Cash Wilcke. He will be giving up some weight but he is a goer and seems good on his technique. With a weak weight, he might surprise some people and get a few points.
HWY:Sam Stoll-Anywhere from 5-8 if he is healthy.
My prediction for this year? We need a lot of things to go really right for us. Gilman, Clark, Sorensen, Kemerer have to be really clutch...like finals clutch. Brooks is going to have to be top 4 and Meyers needs to AA along with Stoll. If Marinelli goes, he would have to shock some folks. I think we end up 4th or 5th this year again. Really, I am hoping that Gilman and Clark win it...I would be very happy for them.
Every team has "holes" or ones that might not qualify or score points at nationals. Right now, here is how it looks:
125-Gilman (likely finalist and decent shot to win it)
133-Clark (Top 3)
141-Carton (one of the holes you are talking about): Likely qualifier but would like to see a whole season
149-Sorensen (Top 4)
157-Kemerer (Top 6): I think he will be fine weight-wise but would not be surprised to see him as a top 4 to a finalist. Yes, I think he can go with Jo Jo...be a reach to say he beats Nolf
165-(One of these holes again)
174-Meyers is not out...but he is a riddle wrapped in an enigma. Could finish top 4, could go 0 and BBQ
184-Brooks could finish 8th...he could make the finals. Has that kind of talent if he has the momentum
197-Starter is likely Cash Wilcke. He will be giving up some weight but he is a goer and seems good on his technique. With a weak weight, he might surprise some people and get a few points.
HWY:Sam Stoll-Anywhere from 5-8 if he is healthy.
My prediction for this year? We need a lot of things to go really right for us. Gilman, Clark, Sorensen, Kemerer have to be really clutch...like finals clutch. Brooks is going to have to be top 4 and Meyers needs to AA along with Stoll. If Marinelli goes, he would have to shock some folks. I think we end up 4th or 5th this year again. Really, I am hoping that Gilman and Clark win it...I would be very happy for them.
Our guys have to go out and prove it...we haven't for awhile. A lot of things have to go right. Pessimistic is outside of 5...Rose colored is winning it. Both can happen. Damn...I sound like 23.
2018-19
125: lee - soph
133: Teasdale true fresh
141: happel rs soph
149: Turk rs junior
157: kem rs junior
165: bull rs soph
174: young rs soph
184: wilke rs junior
197: warner rs fresh
285: stoll rs senior
2019-20
125: lee junior
133: teasdale soph
141: happel rs junior
149: Turk rs senior
157: kem rs senior
165: bull rs junior
174: young rs junior
184: wilke rs senior
197: warner rs soph
285: costello rs soph
125: lee - soph
133: Teasdale true fresh
141: happel rs soph
149: Turk rs junior
157: kem rs junior
165: bull rs soph
174: young rs soph
184: wilke rs junior
197: warner rs fresh
285: stoll rs senior
2019-20
125: lee junior
133: teasdale soph
141: happel rs junior
149: Turk rs senior
157: kem rs senior
165: bull rs junior
174: young rs junior
184: wilke rs senior
197: warner rs soph
285: costello rs soph
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Find the
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Find the
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I think theres a chance we see Murin 141, and Glosser at 149. Otherwise I agree with everything else.
Also could see Stickley at 141. I know he's only wrestled 1 tourney and it was the freshman division and he was at 133 but he looked good.
Some folks have a difficult time with reality. I don't.
Doesn't mean I have to like it, but I do have to deal with it.
Welcome aboard.
IMO, 41/49, 285
We have lots of bodies for 141 and 149 (Turk, Happel, Murin, Glosser, etc).
74 I'm banking on Young
84 I'm banking on Wilcke
I believe we are set at 285 with stoll having 2 years left after this year. We have Burough and Telford in the room to push him. I believe we land Schultz in 2019. If we don't get him by that time warner could move up or Costello fill the void. IMO we should focus on 157-174 to rt developmental guys. Ex: brands and Shapiro
Unfortunately I have to agree with you. I think Meyers will flop (hope I'm wrong), I think Sammy will make a Sammy move that puts him in the cons rounds early, I'm fearful of Stoll's recovery and how much he lost during the off-season, and I think the eventual holes at 141, 165, 174 (sadly I see Meyer as a hole), and 197 will be too much to overcome to make it in the top 3 or 4. That said, I am looking forward to seeing what Wilcke can do against the field. I really like his engine and his aggressiveness.
Damn, I said 4th or 5th last year and I got sh$t on. Chiefs got mad street cred.
If you put points to AZ's post, you'd be looking at 115 points or thereabouts.
125, 133, 149, and 157 in the finals gives you about 75 points. Brooks adds 15 as a top 4, and Meyers and Stoll add 20 together. The other guys gives you another 5 points. I think 115-120 wins it, so his post, while possibly not what people want to hear, is fairly accurate. What that means is that you'll need to pull Alex's RS in order to provide more leeway in case someone comes up a dud elsewhere.
I'm gonna put a positive, realistic spin on things. Last year we had a decent 1st day at Nationals (Sammy getting injured, hurt a lot.) We had an awesome second day ( I almost crapped myself at work watching Gilman pin NATO in the semis, then Clark getting revenge on Richards), then completely sh$t the bed on day 3, winning just one match (Burak in the cons-semis).
125- I think Gilman's going to score huge points at nationals and win a title. I also think he's going to be in the Hodge discussion.
133- Clark has been to the finals twice already. Both guys that beat him are gone, I see him finishing his career on top.
141 is a no doubt about it hole (tee hee), anything here is a bonus, but don't count on it.
149- Sorensen needs to make the finals again. If he takes a step back, that's gonna hurt.
157- Other than Nolf, I don't see anyone else as unbeatable for Kemmerer here. He has progressed really well and was beating quality starters last year. Obviously Smith is a house hold name, but he kinda laid an egg last year at Nationals finishing 7th, I see Kemmerer finishing anywhere from 2nd to 5th.
165 is a crap shoot. The bull is a solid AA, Gunther could will himself into the tourney, haven't seen enough of him vs solid D1 opponents to really estimate where he's at.
174- The way Alex has been wrestling this year is a bit of a puzzle. I was wondering if perhaps, his tendency to get himself in trouble early has made him consciously or unconsciously slow down the pace in the first period. Either way, when his back is against the while, he's going to give you a puncher's chance. If he can improve on his 8th place finish from last year that'd be huge.
184- Brooks is fully capable of getting hot and wrestling Dean on Saturday night, more realistically however I see him finishing around 5th.
197- Honestly, the only weight that I see us scoring less points at nationals than last year. Maybe we get a win or two out of Wilcke or Holloway (if he cuts down and beats out Cash) in a watered down weight.
Hwt- Stoll's health looms large on our season outlook. This time last year many (me included) we trying to figure out whether Sammy was a quality D1 heavy, let alone a strong candidate for multiple AA finishes. If he's healthy, Sammy is top 4 or 5.
Realistically, I think we've got the firepower to win it, but the other big guns need a slip-up here or there. My heart says we've got a good shot. My mind says it'll be exciting and close but realistically we finish in 3rd place.
125- I think Gilman's going to score huge points at nationals and win a title. I also think he's going to be in the Hodge discussion.
133- Clark has been to the finals twice already. Both guys that beat him are gone, I see him finishing his career on top.
141 is a no doubt about it hole (tee hee), anything here is a bonus, but don't count on it.
149- Sorensen needs to make the finals again. If he takes a step back, that's gonna hurt.
157- Other than Nolf, I don't see anyone else as unbeatable for Kemmerer here. He has progressed really well and was beating quality starters last year. Obviously Smith is a house hold name, but he kinda laid an egg last year at Nationals finishing 7th, I see Kemmerer finishing anywhere from 2nd to 5th.
165 is a crap shoot. The bull is a solid AA, Gunther could will himself into the tourney, haven't seen enough of him vs solid D1 opponents to really estimate where he's at.
174- The way Alex has been wrestling this year is a bit of a puzzle. I was wondering if perhaps, his tendency to get himself in trouble early has made him consciously or unconsciously slow down the pace in the first period. Either way, when his back is against the while, he's going to give you a puncher's chance. If he can improve on his 8th place finish from last year that'd be huge.
184- Brooks is fully capable of getting hot and wrestling Dean on Saturday night, more realistically however I see him finishing around 5th.
197- Honestly, the only weight that I see us scoring less points at nationals than last year. Maybe we get a win or two out of Wilcke or Holloway (if he cuts down and beats out Cash) in a watered down weight.
Hwt- Stoll's health looms large on our season outlook. This time last year many (me included) we trying to figure out whether Sammy was a quality D1 heavy, let alone a strong candidate for multiple AA finishes. If he's healthy, Sammy is top 4 or 5.
Realistically, I think we've got the firepower to win it, but the other big guns need a slip-up here or there. My heart says we've got a good shot. My mind says it'll be exciting and close but realistically we finish in 3rd place.
Smith for OSU was injured at Nationals last year, so I take his finish with a grain of salt. He finishes no lower than 4th this year imo. Maybe top 2 this year.
Anyone care to compare that to the other big guns PSU, tOSU, and OSU
I know tOSU just landed another top recruit in the 2017 class yesterday
tOSU looks like this:
2017
125- Rodriguez- top 50 recruit, ranked 12th now as a RS Freshmen
133- Tomasello- Title threat
141- Hayes- Top 10 recruit
149- Micah Jordan- Top 10 recruit
157- Ryan- Ranked as high as 8th, had JoJo on the ropes at nationals last year. A lot of people think Burcher is better suited here
165- Burcher- looks like 15-20 ranked wrestler. Buckeyes had #1 and #2 recruit committed for this weight in 2016. Ended with neither, Marinelli and White. Romero would be #1 ranked recruit redshirting here.
174- BoJo- Title contender
184- Martin- Reigning NCAA Champ, although doubtful he repeats
197- Moore- Looks like a mid to low AA
Hvy- Snyder- He has a Gold Medal.
They will have top ranked recruits Pletcher, Singletary, Romero, and rumors or Carr waiting in the wings. Then Decatur twins coming the next year and one would think Rocky Jordan.
2018
125- Rodriguez
133- Pletcher
141- Hayes
149- Micah Jordan
157- Ryan/Burcher
165- Carr
174- Romero
184- Martin
197- Moore
Hvy- Singletary
I'll take a stab at line-up comparison for NCAA's this year:
125-Suriano: I'll say top 6, but optimistically could be top 3. Don't think he beats Gilman, but everybody else is fair game. I'll call him a wash with Kem.
133-Cortez: not sold on him 100%. Talent is there, but scares me with inconsistency and best quality win is a teammate. I'll say round of 12.
141-Gullibon: At this point you have to call it a hole. Has some good wins but enough losses that you can't count on him. Wins 2 matches.
149- Zain: Dominant force, will rack up bonus. As close to lock as there is in this sport. We'll say Gilman and him cancel each other out, though I think Zain will out bonus him.
157- Nolf- Dominant, although wide open style can be scary (and extremely fun to watch) at times. We'll call him and Clark a wash, although again, I think he scores more bonus.
165- Cenzo: Really impressed thus far. His lone loss he essentially started down 13 points getting caught twice in big throws (obviously this CANT happen at NCAA's) and then showed a lot of offense against a good guy. Looked really good at Keystone. I'll say top 6, call him a wash with Brooks.
174- Morelli or Shakur: Interesting problem to have. The marathon match with Geno would seem to indicate Shak's gas tank issues are fixed, but Geno has looked really good too. I honestly think either will AA. I'll call this weight and Iowa's Meyer both a wash, both probable AA's, but could find themselves off podium if things go bad.
184- Has looked incredible early, but against what? Hard to say how he will handle being up a weight without seeing him against somebody like Brooks, Dudely, PD3, a big, strong, full 184. nickal- Weight is so loaded, Martin looks like a wrecking ball up a weight. I think Bo's athleticism will serve him well, but absolutely no room for error by anybody in this weight class. If you make it through the gauntlet a Monster awaits in the finals...ill say top 3, he and Sorenson cancel, but Bo knows Bonus.
197- MM- health issues are a concern, but he's smart and tough. Has looked pretty good so far wrestling small. Weak weight. Assuming he healthy, I think he AA's. I'll call it even with Marnelli, I may get some hate for this but 165 is loaded, and an undersized Bull will have to do very well to AA.
HWT- Nevills: Has looked great so far, but I think will need the right draw. I think he will do well against smaller HWT's who are better wrestlers (example: Dejournette) but think he will struggle against the big boys. Has a good chance to AA, but definitely not a lock. Call him and Stoll a wash.
So:
Zain >Gilman (bonus)
Nolf>Clark (bonus)
Nickal>Sorenson (bonus)
Cenzo=Brooks
Suriano=Kem
174=Meyer
Nevills=Stoll
McCuth=Marinelli
Cortez>Wilke?
Gulibon=Whoever Iowa sends @141
Something would have to go bad for Iowa to beat PSU in tournament scoring. The most likely scenario to open the door for Iowa is the minefield at 184, but that sword cuts both ways.
125-Suriano: I'll say top 6, but optimistically could be top 3. Don't think he beats Gilman, but everybody else is fair game. I'll call him a wash with Kem.
133-Cortez: not sold on him 100%. Talent is there, but scares me with inconsistency and best quality win is a teammate. I'll say round of 12.
141-Gullibon: At this point you have to call it a hole. Has some good wins but enough losses that you can't count on him. Wins 2 matches.
149- Zain: Dominant force, will rack up bonus. As close to lock as there is in this sport. We'll say Gilman and him cancel each other out, though I think Zain will out bonus him.
157- Nolf- Dominant, although wide open style can be scary (and extremely fun to watch) at times. We'll call him and Clark a wash, although again, I think he scores more bonus.
165- Cenzo: Really impressed thus far. His lone loss he essentially started down 13 points getting caught twice in big throws (obviously this CANT happen at NCAA's) and then showed a lot of offense against a good guy. Looked really good at Keystone. I'll say top 6, call him a wash with Brooks.
174- Morelli or Shakur: Interesting problem to have. The marathon match with Geno would seem to indicate Shak's gas tank issues are fixed, but Geno has looked really good too. I honestly think either will AA. I'll call this weight and Iowa's Meyer both a wash, both probable AA's, but could find themselves off podium if things go bad.
184- Has looked incredible early, but against what? Hard to say how he will handle being up a weight without seeing him against somebody like Brooks, Dudely, PD3, a big, strong, full 184. nickal- Weight is so loaded, Martin looks like a wrecking ball up a weight. I think Bo's athleticism will serve him well, but absolutely no room for error by anybody in this weight class. If you make it through the gauntlet a Monster awaits in the finals...ill say top 3, he and Sorenson cancel, but Bo knows Bonus.
197- MM- health issues are a concern, but he's smart and tough. Has looked pretty good so far wrestling small. Weak weight. Assuming he healthy, I think he AA's. I'll call it even with Marnelli, I may get some hate for this but 165 is loaded, and an undersized Bull will have to do very well to AA.
HWT- Nevills: Has looked great so far, but I think will need the right draw. I think he will do well against smaller HWT's who are better wrestlers (example: Dejournette) but think he will struggle against the big boys. Has a good chance to AA, but definitely not a lock. Call him and Stoll a wash.
So:
Zain >Gilman (bonus)
Nolf>Clark (bonus)
Nickal>Sorenson (bonus)
Cenzo=Brooks
Suriano=Kem
174=Meyer
Nevills=Stoll
McCuth=Marinelli
Cortez>Wilke?
Gulibon=Whoever Iowa sends @141
Something would have to go bad for Iowa to beat PSU in tournament scoring. The most likely scenario to open the door for Iowa is the minefield at 184, but that sword cuts both ways.
You guys really need bonus points from someone like sorenson who seems very capable from what little I have seen. I always thought he had the potential given his skills in neutral against anyone other than zain. Just never understoood why he seems to be content with 1 takedown when he seems to have the skill to get multiple takedowns. Not sure I am the only one that sees this but his scores don't seem to always indicate how much he has controlled the match.
You are spot on kingslayer. For a guy that has a career record of 100-12 and NCAA finishes of 4th and 2nd in his Junior year his scores don't reflect how dominant a force he can be. In his two NCAA tourneys he is a combined 9-3. Only 3 of those wins were bonus point victories. 3 major decisions. His gas tank appears limitless, perhaps if he picked up the pace and really went into a takedown flurry late he could rack up more bonus, ala Gilman. He seems content to get a takedown and then simply grind guys to death. Conversely, however other than his finals matchup against Zain last year, I don't believe he's given up bonus points in his career.
I've stated many times since the day Brandon hit the mat for Iowa as a redshirt freshman, he's the best all-around wrestler we have IMO, and he got his ass kicked in the Finals last year.
With what he brings to the table from an overall perspective, I've always felt he was capable of MUCH more, especially from his feet (which Brands has also stated). Only the elite few can get away from him when he doesn't let you go, he's strong as an ox and he's sneaky offensively and harder than hell to take down. He's got every tool in the box, just needs to put them on full display match after match (needs to add a couple go-to moves to the arsenal from top).
Doesn't appear he can beat Nolf, but I'd never say never in his case. Just bring it young man, and let the chips fall where they may.
