Give me Otzelberger. Yeah I said it.

[iahawks10]

Ohhhhh so just making the tourney is the benchmark for a successful season. I don’t think that’s the prevailing opinion of this forum. But maybe I’m wrong….

No, you’re 100% correct. “You are what your record says you are”. “Only March results matter”. And the one guy who’s posted this no less than 10 times “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity”. I guess getting to the NCAA Tournament, but losing in the first weekend is the definition of insanity. I learned that here.

 

[WadeLookingbill]

As an iowa fan, by any metric, iowa state has been much more successful than iowa in the past decade or since Fran got here. Conference titles, tourney success, nba success. It’s not even close to be honest. It’s just like iowa state football fans trying to argue they’ve had a better program than iowa. Just isn’t there.

We've had this discussion many times this year, it's all about timeframes. If you said the last 5 years, I think Iowa has been better on your metrics (not to mention head-to-head). If you said the last 10 years, I'd say ISU is slightly better. If you said the last 20 years, I'd say slight lean Iowa. If you say 25 years, I'd say lean ISU. If you say all-time, it's Iowa. Just being honest.

 

[Steamboat529529]

We've had this discussion many times this year, it's all about timeframes. If you said the last 5 years, I think Iowa has been better on your metrics (not to mention head-to-head). If you said the last 10 years, I'd say ISU is slightly better. If you said the last 20 years, I'd say slight lean Iowa. If you say 25 years, I'd say lean ISU. If you say all-time, it's Iowa. Just being honest.

I guess I’m not following in the past decade Iowa State has four conference tourney titles, been to three sweet sixteens and Iowa has one conference tourney title and no sweet sixteens, and ISU is slightly better?!? That’s like saying Iowa football had a slight loss to Ohio State this year.

 

[WadeLookingbill]

I guess I’m not following in the past decade Iowa State has four conference tourney titles, been to three sweet sixteens and Iowa has one conference tourney title and no sweet sixteens, and ISU is slightly better?!?

Are you following everything else?
For the last decade, if you need lean rather than "slight lean," ok. I'd just note, head to head it's 5-5 the last decade. ISU has 6 NBA players drafted. Iowa has 5 NBA players drafted. Iowa has consistently made the Tournament and been upper Division in the Big Ten. Sure less Sweet 16's and conference tournament success, but the rest of the metrics are pretty darn close.

 

[iahawks10]

How many years does Fran have left on his contract? Hoping for Devries or an Otzelberger is not going to happen any time soon. No other school would pay Fran the money he gets at Iowa. We are stuck with Fran for at least 3 years.

What I would hope for is for
A) Barta to be fired as has been called for by state auditor...and hopefully we would get a better AD in...but no guarantees
B) Barta to quit extending Fran's contract so the buyout can be slimmed down
C) Fran himself to look in mirror and embrace defense---make some tradeoffs on recruiting/substitution patterns to improve Iowa defensive rating

Looking at the Sweet16 teams, my recollection is 9 out o16 are top 16 in defense. Of course helps to be good at offense, so something like 6 out 16 are top16 in offense. Iowa had a top3 offense (but night and day on road) and 150 or so ranked defense. We needed to be more like Top 20 offense, top 40 defense for better balance and better mental toughness/road shooting.

A lot Comments on this board ring true.

Iowa player's need to bulk up and get a lot stronger--too many slender/weak guys. Fran needs to willing to commit fouls to protect the basket. Don't play guys that don't play good defense (pmac stands out). Be willing to play guys through mistakes early in season to hopefully payoff at end (Bowen didn't get enough minutes, ulis too many). Big man Ball is losing ball---at least if your lineup look like Purdue. I'd prefer at 6'9 shot blocker/rebounder at one of the two Big positions. The kid out of NJ fits the bill...but he's only one on the entire team. The Braun kid looks like another below the rim Big.


Fran can do a lot better. When 8/14 teams in B1G making NCAA....just getting to ncaa tourney in itself is not that high a bar although a large chunk of fan base are fine with participation awards. Fran is only 4-7 in all his ncaa appearancs at Iowa...you gotta get to 66% type winning percentage to be a Sweet16 team in any given year. Defense keeps you in games to allow you to win at end if you get some breaks.

No other school would pay Fran the money he gets at Iowa……. 😂….. okay. Nebraska wouldn’t, you see what they’re paying Hoiberg?

You are clueless. Fran is the 11th highest paid coach in the B1G and 2nd longest tenured. Only Johnson, Pikiell, and Gard have lower salaries than Fran. Shrewseberry is not available, but it has been reported to be more than Fran’s $3 million.

 

[Steamboat529529]

Are you following everything else?
For the last decade, if you need lean rather than "slight lean," ok. I'd just note, head to head it's 5-5 the last decade. ISU has 6 NBA players drafted. Iowa has 5 NBA players drafted. Iowa has consistently made the Tournament and been upper Division in the Big Ten. Sure less Sweet 16's and conference tournament success, but the rest of the metrics are pretty darn close.

I get what you are saying for the past 20 years. But both teams were pretty bad going back from like 2012 to 2006. Alford made the tourney a couple times at the end of his run, but those were also Lickliter years too.