Give me your honest perspective

[DCGeneral]

First of all, it's the first time I've really watched Iowa this year. Very solid, smart senior-led team. You guys could have a great tournament run.

Iowa missed a lot of FTs and IU was perfect on FTs for most of the game, which was huge. But can you honestly give me your assessment about the officiating? We all know B10 refs favor the home team a ton usually. I've never seen the visiting team get so many calls on the road.

Is that the way you saw it, too? I am not saying that the officiating cost us (especially since we won) or anything like that. I just was dumbfounded at all the ticky-tack fouls we were assessed. I've never seen so many marginal calls made on the home team in conference play.

 

[StormHawk42]

There was some ticky tack stuff, which benefitted Iowa. In general, I thought the more aggressive team at that time was getting the calls.

 

[5Fan5]

There was some ticky tack stuff, which benefitted Iowa. In general, I thought the more aggressive team at that time was getting the calls.

If I recall correctly, Iowa fouls (or those called) were limited in the first half. But, at crunch time in half number two, I seem to think that both teams were in the bonus situation at roughly the same point of time.

Hard to say that Iowa was favored so greatly if those circumstances are true.

 

[LuteHawk]

The fierce crowd noise from the Indiana fans probably
made Coach Fran ignore his bench players. They got
zero points and only 31 minutes total. Tough atmosphere
for our 3 freshmen and 1 sophomore. We needed a bigger
night from Peter Jok and his 3 pointers. However, we still
can win the Big Ten Title.

 

[DanL53]

I honestly felt it was called, if going by bad calls alone, in Iowa's favor. However, I also feel that when it comes down to pure "freedom of movement" issues both teams were allowed to grab, push, elbow, whatever it took to stop their guy. A dang shame, this game should have probably been a classic for the ages with both teams scoring in the 100's.

I honestly don't know why the big Chief Hot Shots of College Basketball continue to allow these kinds of officials to ruin the game. There have been strides made to fix things this year, which made last night stand out all the more as a travesty to good basketball. Again, it should have been a classic shoot out.

Nevertheless, this is not a win or lose issue. It is a quality of the game issue. You guys deserved the win after a hard fought game. Congrats. We'll see you again soon.

 

[wyohawk]

First of all, it's the first time I've really watched Iowa this year. Very solid, smart senior-led team. You guys could have a great tournament run.

Iowa missed a lot of FTs and IU was perfect on FTs for most of the game, which was huge. But can you honestly give me your assessment about the officiating? We all know B10 refs favor the home team a ton usually. I've never seen the visiting team get so many calls on the road.

Is that the way you saw it, too? I am not saying that the officiating cost us (especially since we won) or anything like that. I just was dumbfounded at all the ticky-tack fouls we were assessed. I've never seen so many marginal calls made on the home team in conference play.

Lot of pretty benign "fouls" that reeked of make-up calls to me, both ways.

 

[shoot_the_three]

While watching the game the wife commented that it seemed that Iowa was getting more favorable calls than Indiana and I would agree with that especially in the first half. The only exception is that I thought that Yogi was getting away with a lot of contact in the post that they wouldn't have allowed with 7 footers.

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

Didnt really notice the officiating, which is usually a good thing

 

[ZumaHawk]

I honestly felt it was called, if going by bad calls alone, in Iowa's favor. However, I also feel that when it comes down to pure "freedom of movement" issues both teams were allowed to grab, push, elbow, whatever it took to stop their guy. A dang shame, this game should have probably been a classic for the ages with both teams scoring in the 100's.

I honestly don't know why the big Chief Hot Shots of College Basketball continue to allow these kinds of officials to ruin the game. There have been strides made to fix things this year, which made last night stand out all the more as a travesty to good basketball. Again, it should have been a classic shoot out.

Nevertheless, this is not a win or lose issue. It is a quality of the game issue. You guys deserved the win after a hard fought game. Congrats. We'll see you again soon.

Agree......some calls went Iowa's way and some Indiana. As always in every game. But, "freedom of Movement" issues were when Jok was being mugged and couldn't escape any of them. I believe Yogi was guarding him most the night and they hit the floor several times because it was so rough. IMO

 

[bravehawks1]

Officiating was bad. Fouls were called very inconsistent and traveling calls were missed, but it did not favor either team in my opinion.

 

[DanL53]

Agree......some calls went Iowa's way and some Indiana. As always in every game. But, "freedom of Movement" issues were when Jok was being mugged and couldn't escape any of them. I believe Yogi was guarding him most the night and they hit the floor several times because it was so rough. IMO

There was one play where both Jok and Yogi we going to the floor. Jok prevented Yogi from landing on him by essentially catching him, and bench pressing him up and over Jok so that they didn't collide. I know Jok was just protecting himself. But three things:

1) He protected both of them, not the intent but it worked out that way. I know the crowd was upset at that moment, but it's better to hit the floor than land awkwardly on top of a guy.
2) I don't feel the need to ever question Jok's strength.
3) Shame on these refs for putting guys in position to play so physical as to possibly get hurt.

 

[real iu fan]

Two areas where the officiating favored Iowa 1) fouls no. 2,3 & 4 on Bryant were ticky tacky or non fouls ; (2) Gesell gets away with charging and your center with quasi-mauling. I would have liked to see both big guys treated equally.

 

[Pepperman]

Two areas where the officiating favored Iowa 1) fouls no. 2,3 & 4 on Bryant were ticky tacky or non fouls ; (2) Gesell gets away with charging and your center with quasi-mauling. I would have liked to see both big guys treated equally.

First off, do not come to our board and spout such BS. Why don't we talk about Yogi showing up the ref with 9 seconds to go and not getting a technical foul? How about your coach being on the floor the whole game and not getting a technical foul?

Bottom line - plenty of correct opinions expressed already in this thread. You can GTFO.

 

[wyohawk]

Two areas where the officiating favored Iowa 1) fouls no. 2,3 & 4 on Bryant were ticky tacky or non fouls ; (2) Gesell gets away with charging and your center with quasi-mauling. I would have liked to see both big guys treated equally.

If #2 you're referring to is the "charge" at the end, it was absolutely the right call. Textbook blocking on Yogi, despite his best acting efforts. Gesell did got called for a charge earlier in the game which also was the right call as he extended his arm.

 

[DanL53]

Two areas where the officiating favored Iowa 1) fouls no. 2,3 & 4 on Bryant were ticky tacky or non fouls ; (2) Gesell gets away with charging and your center with quasi-mauling. I would have liked to see both big guys treated equally.

This is why we can't have anything nice. We're having a decent discussion here about the officiating and you say things like "quasi-mauling".

 

[JRHawk2003]

Everyone miss this guy???

 

[Hawkeyes4Life247]

It seemed like there were a lot of legitimate fouls that were missed, then they were quick to blow the whistle for ticky tack make up calls the next time down he floor. I usually chalk that up to two very verbal and emotional coaches getting in the ear of inexperienced officials. I'm not sure who the refs were last night though.

 

[RocknRollface]

I honestly felt it was called, if going by bad calls alone, in Iowa's favor. However, I also feel that when it comes down to pure "freedom of movement" issues both teams were allowed to grab, push, elbow, whatever it took to stop their guy. A dang shame, this game should have probably been a classic for the ages with both teams scoring in the 100's.

I honestly don't know why the big Chief Hot Shots of College Basketball continue to allow these kinds of officials to ruin the game. There have been strides made to fix things this year, which made last night stand out all the more as a travesty to good basketball. Again, it should have been a classic shoot out.

Nevertheless, this is not a win or lose issue. It is a quality of the game issue. You guys deserved the win after a hard fought game. Congrats. We'll see you again soon.

Because there is no structure in place to manage them like there is in pro sports.

They dont have to go face a boss every week. They just basically have to not do anything terrible and they can do what ever they want.

Its a ridiculous system for how much money surrounds big time college sports.

 

[hawkifann]

Two areas where the officiating favored Iowa 1) fouls no. 2,3 & 4 on Bryant were ticky tacky or non fouls ; (2) Gesell gets away with charging and your center with quasi-mauling. I would have liked to see both big guys treated equally.

Why was Yogi even trying to draw a charge on that play? That's dumb basketball. You're up 2 possessions and you've forced Gesell to pick up the ball 85+ feet from the hoop, so the clock is running around 8 seconds. That's a clear spot where you want to stay a couple feet off Gesell and just make him work the ball up the court. Worst case, he runs up and hits a quick 3 or feeds a guy for a quick 3, but that's going to eat four seconds, minimum, and then you're still up with the ball and the clock under 5 seconds. Trying for the charge there was ridiculous.

 

[aurorabimmer]

I saw an interview with Uthoff on Hawk Central. He was very short and curt to the questions. He is pis*ed the Hawks lost because they didn't play like they need to in the B1G, especially on the road against a good team. Exactly what I want to see from the team leader. Take it out on the Gophers.
Go Hawks.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Two areas where the officiating favored Iowa 1) fouls no. 2,3 & 4 on Bryant were ticky tacky or non fouls ; (2) Gesell gets away with charging and your center with quasi-mauling. I would have liked to see both big guys treated equally.

I agree that Bryant got a couple of bad calls, but that is not unusual for freshman big men.

You obviously don't understand what charging is. Just because you throw you body in front of another player and get somewhat squared up, it is NOT a charge. That is not established position, which is generally being called much better this year. I found it interesting that Yogi was trying to prove something individually at the end of the game, when it could have cost his team. That told me that he was frustrated that Mike had basically shut him down the whole game.

If you want to complain about Woody, then you would have to foul out Bielsfeld (sp?) and Hartman, who both spent most of their time shoving players around under the basket. Last night, it seemed OK to do a lot of pushing under the basket, as long as it was on a shot attempt, which was called very closely.

The player who got away with the most was Yogi, who was mauling Jok much of the game. The earlier point in the thread is a good one. Because Yogi is so small (reputation also helps), it is as if the officials let him get away with almost non-stop contact on whoever he is guarding, especially near the basket.

Overall, I would say the officiating was fairly even (not necessarily good), and if anything, slightly favored Iowa, especially considering we were on the road.

 

[BTBall]

FWIW, I thought Iowa was very, very impressive, even in defeat. I've watched them play a few times this year, but your focus is different when you're actively rooting against a team as I was rooting against Iowa last night. Your starting five has everything: experience and toughness and every spot, guards and wings who can drive, shoot, and pass, a physical post presence, and a true elite talent in Uthoff. I don't mean to jinx them but that's a team built for a serious tournament run.

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

I don't know that I'm adding anything new, but here was my take:

There were definitely some bad calls that Iowa benefited from, specifically:
Bryant's 3rd or 4th - the one where Jok drove at him and one other and there was hardly contact.
Woody getting the call at the end of the game when he clearly grabbed the Indiana player

However, that is the extent of the really blatantly bad calls that favored Iowa. I also remember being livid that they only called Yogi or Robinson for 2 fouls when Jok posted them up. They were grabbing, and shoving every time he went down there (which was frequently) and they could have been fouled out by halftime if the "freedom of movement" rules were enforced.

If you want to complain about our posts mauling, then you need to be aware that your players were flying in "over the back" (not directly, but enough through our players to keep the ball loose).

I would say it was a fairly officiated game with plenty of poor calls/no-calls both ways. There was a lot of contact let go in certain situations and minimal contact called in others. That in and of itself will make it hard to evaluate, but I think, as one poster already mentioned, the more aggressive team was getting the calls throughout the game.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

I'll chime in on the "it was bad both ways at times, with a slight tilt towards helping the Hawks". I realize they're humans and will make mistakes, but these are supposed to be high-major college officials missing what were some pretty blatant calls. When a 7-footer is pretty much hugging another guy yet gets the benefit of the calls....yikes.
Just tossing this out there; would it help to have a 4th official? I get the "triangle" pattern they circulate in, but two spread on the baseline would give additional angles of what's going on underneath, while the two out top (on the sidelines) would remain similar to where they are now. Just thinking. And yes, I get the "if you can't find 3 good ones now, what makes you think they can find a 4th?" argument.

 

[thewop]

The 4th foul on #31 for IU was garbage, and there was another time where I thought Jok traveled near the baseline and it wasn't called. Otherwise I thought it wasn't as bad as some of the other B1G games we've had so far. I don't recall any bad calls that went against Iowa off the top of my head, and only those two against IU.

 

[DanL53]

I'll chime in on the "it was bad both ways at times, with a slight tilt towards helping the Hawks". I realize they're humans and will make mistakes, but these are supposed to be high-major college officials missing what were some pretty blatant calls. When a 7-footer is pretty much hugging another guy yet gets the benefit of the calls....yikes.
Just tossing this out there; would it help to have a 4th official? I get the "triangle" pattern they circulate in, but two spread on the baseline would give additional angles of what's going on underneath, while the two out top (on the sidelines) would remain similar to where they are now. Just thinking. And yes, I get the "if you can't find 3 good ones now, what makes you think they can find a 4th?" argument.

This is just my opinion. But if they would fire the right 1/3rd of officials tomorrow and go back to two per game, we would probably enjoy improvement. Then find some decent replacements to get back to three eventually.

Three is better, if they are better. Two is better than two good ones and the Bo Brokenkowski's or TV Teddy's of the world.

 

[silasstarr]

First of all, it's the first time I've really watched Iowa this year. Very solid, smart senior-led team. You guys could have a great tournament run.

Iowa missed a lot of FTs and IU was perfect on FTs for most of the game, which was huge. But can you honestly give me your assessment about the officiating? We all know B10 refs favor the home team a ton usually. I've never seen the visiting team get so many calls on the road.

Is that the way you saw it, too? I am not saying that the officiating cost us (especially since we won) or anything like that. I just was dumbfounded at all the ticky-tack fouls we were assessed. I've never seen so many marginal calls made on the home team in conference play.

Jok was fouled all game long by Yogi. Jok was literally yanked on and lost the ball and there was no call on two different plays. Bryant had a couple fouls called on him that I thought were BS.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Everyone miss this guy???

NO!!!!!!

 

[The Sleeping Dog]

As I said about three days ago, before I even knew the identity of the officials, Boroski is one of the worst officials from an Iowa perspective. However, I didn't feel the officiating was any worse than the normal home team benefit last night. Some weak make up calls both ways to be sure.

I became decidedly less paranoid while once watching Ryan Bowen literally grab an offensive rebound while holding the defender in a headlock with the other arm with no call. Woody laid some hard knocks on the Indiana kids in a kind of welcome to the Big Ten moment.

Thought we'd split home and home and still think that will happen. Maryland looks to have the inside track. You Hoosiers have some tough road trips upcoming. We here in Iowa could be cheering pretty hard for the red team in that game.

 

[Chewback]

I'll chime in on the "it was bad both ways at times, with a slight tilt towards helping the Hawks". I realize they're humans and will make mistakes, but these are supposed to be high-major college officials missing what were some pretty blatant calls. When a 7-footer is pretty much hugging another guy yet gets the benefit of the calls....yikes.
Just tossing this out there; would it help to have a 4th official? I get the "triangle" pattern they circulate in, but two spread on the baseline would give additional angles of what's going on underneath, while the two out top (on the sidelines) would remain similar to where they are now. Just thinking. And yes, I get the "if you can't find 3 good ones now, what makes you think they can find a 4th?" argument.

A 4th official isn't going to help if he's drawn from the same pool of morons they're using now. three bad officials on the floor is plenty. Time was, 2 officials got the job done if they were any good.

 

[ZumaHawk]

No way we bring 4 officials onto the floor at one time. After all, if the 3 right now can't get it right they can always look at the replay to make sure it's right. With that said.......I sometimes don't like ow long it takes to review all the reviews.

 

[HawkLogic]

Two areas where the officiating favored Iowa 1) fouls no. 2,3 & 4 on Bryant were ticky tacky or non fouls ; (2) Gesell gets away with charging and your center with quasi-mauling. I would have liked to see both big guys treated equally.

2-3 fouls on Bryant were Tick tac...but Freshmen Bigs get a lot of those...Woody used to get that treatment his 1st year too.... your backup played great and it cost you nothing...there were two times Yogi did pure flops and Yogi got called. That is the way they are calling game this year and it makes sense to get rid of all the BS flopping...maybe Yogi should get the message.

Gesell got taken out on a wide open dunk when Indiana guy didn't make legit play on ball. Could have knocked out Gesell for season. That really is kind of low play, and more flagrant than Jok grabbing yogi's wrist and Yogi starts convulsing and flopping like a chicken.

Game was called pretty evenly and Indiana did not get home cooking they might expect...officiating did not decide the game. Indiana one fair and square, Not sure why Indiana fans want to cry.

 

[Suterman]

The game was called pretty evenly. Iowa was beaten by a good team with a great home crowd and in a must win situation. The officials did not tilt the scales either direction.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I saw an interview with Uthoff on Hawk Central. He was very short and curt to the questions. He is pis*ed the Hawks lost because they didn't play like they need to in the B1G, especially on the road against a good team. Exactly what I want to see from the team leader. Take it out on the Gophers.
Go Hawks.

JO doesn't seem to be all that excited about interviews in the first place but I agree he was indeed in pissed off form....actually I was thinking you never want to lose but there are some things you can gain from them. In this case I'm thinking the Indiana loss could very well turn out to help get the team to focus even more ...

Minnesota is next.

 

[Da_Bull]

Why was Yogi even trying to draw a charge on that play? That's dumb basketball. You're up 2 possessions and you've forced Gesell to pick up the ball 85+ feet from the hoop, so the clock is running around 8 seconds. That's a clear spot where you want to stay a couple feet off Gesell and just make him work the ball up the court. Worst case, he runs up and hits a quick 3 or feeds a guy for a quick 3, but that's going to eat four seconds, minimum, and then you're still up with the ball and the clock under 5 seconds. Trying for the charge there was ridiculous.

I believe Yogi had his foot stepped on by Gesell.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

I watched 60-min version of the game on BTN last night. Seeing it a second time, I don't think that Iowa got better treatment from the zebras overall. Bryant got at least two fouls that were bogus and Pete got away with a walk, but if you watch the final 5-6 minutes when the game was decided, there were several non-calls that went against Iowa. Considering the game was in Assembly Hall, which usually dishes up a large portion of home cooking, the officiating was very fair, just not very consistent or good. Since IU fans are used to seeing all of the calls go their way at home, I can understand why they are bitching.

 

[Hawks1988]

Do they ever call Yogi for flopping? I'm not talking about the one at the end, but earlier during the game he did it twice. He could have gotten that call at the end, but maybe the refs weren't going to call it because of his previous attempts.

 

[Steve Waite]

I agree that a couple of fouls on Bryant were bad calls. The only mauling that was going on was on
Yogi. He should have gotten technical foul called on his blatant flopping.
Freedom of movement was a emphasis this year, but I guess it only pertains to everybody else except that little
Turd Yogi.
I can't wait until they come to Carver. IU fan get ready to watch a beat down literally on you
Little turd PG Yogi.

 

[goodbyebobby]

Gesell got taken out on a wide open dunk when Indiana guy didn't make legit play on ball. Could have knocked out Gesell for season. That really is kind of low play, and more flagrant than Jok grabbing yogi's wrist and Yogi starts convulsing and flopping like a chicken.

Game was called pretty evenly and Indiana did not get home cooking they might expect...officiating did not decide the game. Indiana one fair and square, Not sure why Indiana fans want to cry.[/QUOTE]

I didn't think the foul in Gessell was dirty in the least. A good, clean, foul and it was annoying they even went to the monitor.

 

[The Sleeping Dog]

The real question about Yogi is his resemblance to old Joe Jackson or Michael Jackson, when he was the monster in Thriller, which is admittedly a close call. I'm going with old Joe, who kind of looked like a werewolf.