Go on Record about a second Trump presidency…
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I don't think you have all the information about the supposed j6 coup. I think you are choosing to believe what you want rather than what the fact prove.
2 or 3.
The notion that Trump will try to stay in power is absurd, but with Trump, nothing is totally out of the question.
The notion that Trump will try to stay in power is absurd, but with Trump, nothing is totally out of the question.
Why don't you go mutilate some kids. I have zero respect for you or your opinion.
Head meet sand. Keep on thinking that though, the thousands of your comrades that are in prison for their part in the obvious coup attempt will be very happy for you, once you introduce all these new "facts". 😂
Right, 97% conviction rate by the left. Even for people who didn't do anything wrong. You can keep touting your weaponization of the justice system as a success, but anyone with a brain knows what is really going on.
And the facts are that Trump got them all angry to 'fight or you won't have a country anymore' and they fought
Bold of you given your concerns. But, you have to stand on principles as you say.
Are you talking about the Patriots that day? Fvck them, there should have been a whole lot more Ashley Babbits.
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like most things in life, there are many principles in play, and they seldom all march in the same direction.
Head meet sand. 97% conviction rate, spot on. Do the crime do the time. Don't like that? I thought all the magats were tough on crime? I guess only when somebody else commits the crime and not them. Off to prison with the coup attempters. So sad.
Trump's only real proposal was his complicated "most favored nation" plan that would tie the costs of drugs here to their costs in other countries...that never got off the ground. His promise to allow Medicare to negotiate prices...a common pledge on the campaign trail...never even saw an iota of interest during his four-year term. Biden got that done in his first year. And here you are thinking Trump's second bite would actually produce results. LOL
If you're seriously suggesting that relief money is routinely denied to a state based on how they voted...I'm not even going to address that thought.
If you're saying you'll "defend" Trump's opponents when the DOJ falls on them...I'm sure that'll give them all kinds of comfort. But your statement could also be read as you defending the DOJ's right to prosecute those people so who knows.
There are millions with that "bizarre messianic view" who defend anything Trump says or does. There's no "both sides" here. The same Republicans who were running in terror on 1/6 and blaming Trump for instigating an insurrection (or do you think they were just tourists?) are now lined up in lock-step behind him in full-throated support. If you truly believe a Dem president could have pulled that kind of deal and STILL be the undisputed leader of the party four years later...well, that's a massive pile of horse shit.
Is 82 the year you graduated or your overall IQ?
I'm not sure if I've ever seen anyone backtrack and contradict themselves within a single sentence. Well done.
Not trying to be a dick, but I am curious what would convince you to vote for Trump?
Somewhere between 6-11. Trump already proven he's incompetent as POTUS, quite possibly the worst to ever hold the office. To think now 4 years later that anything has changed is unsupported optimism at best.
The very few priorities/plans (and I mean very, very few) that he's actually revealed during the campaign will be an absolute disaster for the American economy and our national security and most of it will have the greatest negative impact on those Americans who are most vulnerable, and most of those folks support Trump it seems. This makes me far less likely to empathize with them if and when things go south, even though it's counter to my very nature to turn my back on them, regardless of their political loyalties.
At that point I'm forced to take the stance of a parent who's kid has landed himself into a terrible situation by a series of bad choices. People learn best when the hard lesson is at hand and you have to swallow one bitter pill after another, realizing that this is what you wanted and now you must reap what you have indeed sown. There will be a lot of misery so be very careful what you wish for.
The very few priorities/plans (and I mean very, very few) that he's actually revealed during the campaign will be an absolute disaster for the American economy and our national security and most of it will have the greatest negative impact on those Americans who are most vulnerable, and most of those folks support Trump it seems. This makes me far less likely to empathize with them if and when things go south, even though it's counter to my very nature to turn my back on them, regardless of their political loyalties.
At that point I'm forced to take the stance of a parent who's kid has landed himself into a terrible situation by a series of bad choices. People learn best when the hard lesson is at hand and you have to swallow one bitter pill after another, realizing that this is what you wanted and now you must reap what you have indeed sown. There will be a lot of misery so be very careful what you wish for.
There are millions...likely tens of millions - who favor torching the Constitution. If you think otherwise, you're not paying attention.
1. Not true. He actually engaged in rulemaking around transparency and pass through of pricing, which the Biden admin withdrew. Until they didn't (see Kahn, L.)
2. Not quite in that sense (and candidly, there's a world of difference between musing about that and doing it), but if you don't think money is allocated (and disbursed, through the contracting process) more broadly on that basis, both affirmatively and negatively, well, perhaps I'm not the only one not living in teh real world....
3. To be clear, th eformer. Which, if it were to happen, is precisely what one should be expected to do.
4. Yes, there are, and both sides do have wackos. Thankfully, even in their numbers, they're a bloc of limited utility.
Ragnar, as is tarheel, you are fair minded and I do not generally think of you acting like a dick, as I sometimes do with others that I do not engage with. FWIW, my current thinking is that I will abstain from casting a presidential vote, I will vote for Tim Kaine for Senate (as he's harmless enough with decent Jesuit values, and Cao has no business running for the senate), and I'll vote for Ben Cline notwithstanding his wackiness because everybody gets one chance). As painful as that will be to me personally and as much as it will likely negate my right to bitch for four years. But don't take what I've written as necessarily being persuasive, and similarly, I'm not really here to debate any of this anyway, because well...it's "this" message board, and I know the problems and can think through them myself, and I'm fine with others taking different approaches. To be clear, this is actually a very difficult question to answer, as I always like to start by thinking about what I am "for", move to what I am "against," and lastly focus on "risk management." This is a very difficult race in that neither really has much to offer in the first category.
To your question, a few thoughts...
1. Fundamentally, while neither side is exactly made of small government people, the R side at least pretends to be, and perhaps some of that will stick.
2. I'm much more in favor of setting the conditions/structural incentives for economic opportunity and letting nature take its course, rather than thinking that subsidies are the solution to everything.
3. Internationally, I do think we need to be a bit more muscular and less risk averse. Sometimes you actually have to risk your own people to make the calculus harder for bad actors. I think the Biden-Harris admin did learn this a bit over time, but it is not their instinct. At the very least, whether because of Beau or otherwise, there's a long history to support that it wasn't Biden's.
4. Though it's very far from a pet issue of mine, we do need to do more at the border - my personal view is that we ought to provide a path to citizenship for people willing to work on WPA-like endeavors, but that would probably lead people to think i'm some sort of slavery advocate. it's a good way to get us rebased. Certainly we don't need nearly what he yammers on about, but let's be realistic about which side is more focused on that issue, legislative show ponies notwithstanding.
5. Trump's personal and stylistic flaws obviously outweigh Harris'' (in a negative sense). But I'm frankly disturbed at just how long and how much she went into public hiding. When I see her commercials, there is pretty much no image, and no audio, that is not stagecraft. And i don't mean footage or sound from a live event. I mean put together in a studio/greenscreen environment and read from a script. She finally seems to be getting away from that a bit, but I'm just not sure how much is between her ears, particularly coming with the background of an elected AG, which generally entails a personality type that likes to use force to get things done. one of the reasons that concerns me is that it is pretty much the campaign that Biden ran four years ago. (Don't get me wrong here -- letting Trump shoot himself in the foot is a perfectly valid strategy) . Trump may be a complete loose cannon, but at least you come away with the sense that for better or worse, he rather than some unknown 20something in the west wing will drive things.
6. In the risk management category, I still believe that our institutions are very much capable of resisting some of the wackier elements of his ego and rhetoric. The reality is that our legislative branch is still going to be closely divided, and that, imo, scotus will apply the weapons the conservative legal movement has created over the last 5 years ago to the new admin, whoever they may be (major questions, Chevron). And come 2029, the people who get worked into histrionics are either doing so as an advocacy measure or are just clueless about the size of the reservoir of american civics that is still out there.
7. Relatedly, thinking big, i don't think the R's are nearly as in lock step as the D's. And I think that sort of fragmentation is what it may take to drive political decisionmaking away from parliamentary style and back toward representation models. But that's a 'long' proposition.
Finally, to all those who are going to feel the need to nit pick (or some bigger histrionic pick) this, or call me names, don't bother and a very hearty but well intended preemptive gfy.
More muscular than trying to install governments in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, and Afghanistan?
What does that look like?
Has the neocon 'risk propensity' really worked out all that well?
No one uses more words to say virtually nothing than you.
He didn't say stupid or interventionist. He said more muscular. All of the above are/were civil wars. None of these countries were invaded by a foreign power with a leader who is intent on expanding it's borders into all of its neighbors.
"LIKELY tens of millions". 🤣 seminole... Thanks for telling us that you really have no clue and you're just trying to put political spin on it. Weak. But nice attempt.
I was originally going to add, "to be clear, Not John Bolton" but thought it might get people worked up.
Not to mention referencing someone who hasn't called for the abolishment of the Constitution. seminole97 fails on so many levels.
I have no problem with redoing the Constitution...I have a problem putting an individual ABOVE the Constitution. You don't seem to understand the difference
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If you are even considering it you are either monumentally stupid or evil. Those are the chances
Just how much are you willing to bet on your number 8???....I am willing to offer very long odds for anything you want to lose...
Hey, with every choice there is a chance something bad will happen. Conversely, with every chance, their is a choice to make.
