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Gov. Kristi Noem of South Dakota
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It's hard to create a system of government to last the test of time. Our founders did an amazing job, but as time evolves, pitfalls form and need to be addressed.
That's like the pot banning the kettle. The reservations in South Dakota are so corrupt and have been for decades. All sorts of murders and disappearances happen on the reservations and it isn't white people doing the killing.
It doesn't. Wyoming - 1 seat in the House of Representatives. Florida - 28 seats in the House of Representatives
The founders gave the ability to amend the Constitution in 2 different ways. IMO, the original design of government was proved better after seeing the history since the 16th and 17th amendments. We've certainly evolved the right way with most of the other amendments.
I wouldn't want to live in a country that was governed like California, and a lot of folks wouldn't want to live in a state governed like Texas. That was the vision of the founders - to have a collection of states that had their own way of governing.
I'll agree to disagree. Small states don't deserve favor because no one wants to live there.
It's not a favor,.. They're a State, and as such entitled to the representation that was agreed to upon entry.
And reapportionment based on an "occupant" census is also imperfect,.. but those are the rules.
If only they gave us some way to change things to fit our modern world.
Aw well, strict interpretation of a 250 year old document it is!
650,000 people living in Wyoming should not have identical power with 23,000,000 living in Florida in the US Senate.
The Senate was designed to represent the States, not individuals.
Every state was given two senators because every state is equal. The House is the peoples body and it is apportioned based on population. Our founding Fathers knew what they were doing.
Senate not represented by population makes no sense. For WY to have the same input into decision making as California is nonsensical. However, it is a system each state is represented, and the funding process is allocated to the House which is proportionally represented.
So, so many Red States are sponges supported by the assets of Blue States.
I could name you 7-8 States right now that "take" more than they "give".
Not coincidence that they are all governed by Republicans.
The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State. [U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 3, clause 1]
During the summer of 1787, the delegates to the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia established equal representation in the Senate and proportional representation in the House of Representatives. Called the “Great Compromise” or the “Connecticut Compromise,” this unique plan for congressional representation resolved the most controversial aspect of the drafting of the Constitution.
The Virginia Plan, drafted by James Madison and introduced to the Convention by Edmund Randolph on May 29, 1787, proposed the creation of a bicameral national legislature, or a legislature consisting of two houses, in which the “rights of suffrage” in both houses would be proportional to the size of the state. When delegates from small states objected to this idea, delegates from the larger states argued that their states contributed more of the nation’s financial and defensive resources than small states and therefore ought to have a greater say in the central government. This proposal also reflected a vision of national government that differed from the government under the Articles of Confederation in which each state had an equal voice. Madison argued that “whatever reason might have existed for the equality . . . when the Union was a federal one among sovereign States, it must cease when a national Government should be put into place.”
Delegates from the smaller states insisted on preserving the equal vote they had enjoyed under the Articles of Confederation. “A confederacy,” New Jersey’s William Paterson stated, “supposes sovereignty in the members composing it & sovereignty supposes equality.”
On June 11 the delegates voted to adopt proportional representation in the House of Representatives based on the “whole number of white & other free Citizens,” and “three fifths of all other persons,” meaning enslaved African Americans. Connecticut’s Roger Sherman, with support from Oliver Ellsworth, also from Connecticut, immediately moved that states have equal suffrage in the Senate. Sherman stated that “Everything depended on this. The smaller States would never agree to the plan on any other principle than an equality of suffrage” in the Senate. The motion was defeated by one vote.
In response, William Paterson proposed what became known as the New Jersey Plan, presenting it to the Convention on June 15. The centerpiece of Paterson’s plan was a unicameral (one-house) legislature in which each state had a single vote. The Convention voted down Paterson’s proposal on June 19 and affirmed its commitment to a bicameral legislature on June 21.
The small-state delegates continued to protest proportional representation in the Senate with increasingly heated language, threatening to unravel the proceedings. When another vote on equal representation in the Senate resulted in a tie on July 2, however, the small shift opened the possibility for compromise.
The Convention appointed a “Grand Committee” to reach a final resolution on the question. The committee reported the original Sherman compromise proposal with the added provision, suggested by Benjamin Franklin of Pennsylvania, that revenue and spending bills would only originate in the House. Madison and others continued to press their case for proportional representation in the Senate and to oppose a House monopoly on revenue bills, while some small-state delegates were reluctant even to support proportional representation in the House. On July 16, delegates narrowly adopted the mixed representation plan giving states equal votes in the Senate.
It only makes no sense if a person believes in a massive federal government that controls everything
It's FEDERAL. The federal government oversees the national interests.
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Want to see Wyoming (help) take care of West Virginia?
Or help Florida after a Hurricane?
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So for meatheads that think like you, why don't we just make all minorities pay more taxes so the majority can pay less? Majority rules right?
What does minority and taxes have to with this conversation? This about congressional population representation.
At the end of the day, Noem governs a state with a population the size of Columbus, OH.
With mixed results.
And she cheats on her husband.
She's a glorified mayor.
With mixed results.
And she cheats on her husband.
She's a glorified mayor.
The Executive Branch executes laws made by the House, Senate, and signed by the POTUS. The people are represented by the House and the POTUS. States are represented by the Senate.
Your hypothetical wasn't part of the Constitution, and is only possible because of Wickard v Filburn, and the 16th Amendment.
Hurricane Zombie hits Florida and wipes out Miami. Will Wickard vs Filburn or Beavis vs Butthead matter?
It's not like this is new territory. This may be news (I believe you live in Florida) to you but there have been many hurricanes and not much need for pseudo litigants to pretend to argue Supreme Court cases.
If you are an attorney I stand down. If you have argued SCOTUS cases I owe you an apology. Otherwise, Google makes anyone with a reasonable amount of intelligence an expert.
It's simply a difference in philosophy. There was the same disagreement at the Constitutional Convention. The current system won out, and that was before California was a blip on the radar. The founders wanted all states to have a seat at the table.
You fumble the football at the 50 and 1 yrd lines. The aggregate states share responsibility for the whole.
Cut to the chase - this was the reason for federalization. They realized states could not survive individually.
When the left knows they have lost the argument, they call people names to provide a modicum of self respect.
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