Grassley proposes overturning California livestock regulations

[Rifler]

California is only dictating standards on their market. Grassley & the Iowa pork producers are the ones trying to dictate how the entire industry operates.

Problem is it's the large national packing firms like Smithfield, Farmland and Tyson that will ultimately dictate this,.. If California sets a special standard these packers will be faced with either requiring their suppliers to comply or simply stop shipping to California,.. Since it would be cost prohibitive to produce a separate "California compliant" product line, I suspect that they will choose to lean on producers across the board,.. The proposed Grassley bill doesn't dictate production methods, rather it prevents individual states from dictating production methods on a national level...

 

[THE_DEVIL]

Problem is it's the large national packing firms like Smithfield, Farmland and Tyson that will ultimately dictate this,.. If California sets a special standard these packers will be faced with either requiring their suppliers to comply or simply stop shipping to California. I suspect that they will choose to lean on producers,.. The proposed Grassley bill doesn't dictate production methods, rather it prevents individual states from dictating production methods on a national level...

Kinda like Texas and school books until Common Core came about?

 

[Rifler]

Kinda like Texas and school books until Common Core came about?

Sort of,.. California is certainly free to dictate agricultural business inside it's state, but their reach should end at the state border,.. If they stick to their guns, do it with incentives, and their markets are desirable enough, producers that want to pursue that business will do so at their own pace.

 

[WDSMHAWK]

Problem is it's the large national packing firms like Smithfield, Farmland and Tyson that will ultimately dictate this,.. If California sets a special standard these packers will be faced with either requiring their suppliers to comply or simply stop shipping to California. I suspect that they will choose to lean on producers,.. The proposed Grassley bill doesn't dictate production methods, rather it prevents individual states from dictating production methods on a national level...

Hog producers outside of California are under no legal obligation to implement these standards, so they are not dictating anything on a national level. Non-California based producers are still able to sell their pork in 49 other states if they do not want to change their operation.

 

[BelemNole]

I think you fellas are right on this one - it's not like big business would change in order to keep the CA market.
Just look at car companies, they don't change to meet CA standards!!

 

[Rifler]

Hog producers outside of California are under no legal obligation to implement these standards, so they are not dictating anything on a national level. Non-California based producers are still able to sell their pork in 49 other states if they do not want to change their operation.

Absolutely correct,.. But for the reasons I described this will play out badly for small producers. Personally, I'd love to see California go without pork for awhile because of this, but I doubt that happens.

 

[JRHawk2003]

I am surprised the Gulf Shrimp Industry has not sued the upper midwest yet for the Dead Zone.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Freedom and state’s rights are such pliable concepts.

 

[MitchLL]

Funny how Chucki, Joni, and Dim Kim scream for States' rights until they don't like the outcome.

Fvcking hypocrisy.

 

[WDSMHAWK]

Absolutely correct,.. But for the reasons I described this will play out badly for small producers. Personally, I'd love to see California go without pork for awhile because of this, but I doubt that happens.

If Tyson, Farmland, etc decide to implement these standards on a national scale, than it wouldn't be California dictating how production is done it will be the market dictating how production is done.

 

[Rifler]

If Tyson, Farmland, etc decide to implement these standards on a national scale, than it wouldn't be California dictating how production is done it will be the market dictating how production is done.

Again, absolutely correct,.. But like I said, allowing the tail to wag the dog will ultimately be bad for small producers,.. And besides, if California believes that they require a special product, then they should pay the price and not foist the added cost onto the entire nation...

 

[mthawkeyes]

Chuck would be wise to be careful here. It seems that he wants federal law regulating livestock production standards to override state laws. He's not likely to be around to see it, but the shoe may be on the other foot someday.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

A few things.

Bacon makes almost anything taste better. I just had some this morning. It's delicious.

Secondly, states should absolutely have the right to set their own rules. Grassley is off base on this one.

Lastly, a little known fact...California is #13 in the country for pork production.

 

[Rifler]

Chuck would be wise to be careful here. It seems that he wants federal law regulating livestock production standards to override state laws. He's not likely to be around to see it, but the shoe may be on the other foot someday.

That's not what the bill in question does,.. from the OP:

"The bill would prohibit states from imposing regulations on the production of agricultural products if those products originate outside the state."

 

[RollingBallofButcherKnives]

Whatever you need to do to justify the continued eating of it.

No way in hell you are going to stop people from eating bacon. Are you some kind of nut?

 

[RollingBallofButcherKnives]

I practice what I preach. I try to avoid putting money in Iowa farmer's hands.

Corn and soybeans come from Iowa. Better avoid those and all derivatives too.

 

[Rifler]

Secondly, states should absolutely have the right to set their own rules. Grassley is off base on this one.

The Grassley bill does not prevent California from establishing rules governing the production of food products produced inside their state.

 

[JRHawk2003]

No way in hell you are going to stop people from eating bacon. Are you some kind of nut?

90% of people wouldn't eat it if they saw how it was done.

But yeah...I am the nut...lol

 

[JRHawk2003]

Corn and soybeans come from Iowa. Better avoid those and all derivatives too.

Do better reading the thread

 

[ExcellentBread]

So we are fighting more humane conditions for animals raised for slaughter…. Sounds like something China would do. That is very Iowa, while we poison our land and water with chemicals that cause us to have the highest rate of cancer in the US and just ignore it.

 

[BelemNole]

90% of people wouldn't eat it if they saw how it was done.

But yeah...I am the nut...lol

Video of JR

 

[McLovin32]

Just bought 10 more lbs from Polasheks in Protivin. I'll just up my game to make up for the loss of JRHawks business.

JR actually reminded me that I need to pull a pack of Edgewood's peppered bacon out of the deep freeze for this weekend. Getting half a boner just thinking about it.

 

[Derekd3408]

JR actually reminded me that I need to pull a pack of Edgewood's peppered bacon out of the deep freeze for this weekend. Getting half a boner just thinking about it.

I'm gonna get a couple lbs from there next time I'm in that area. Hate buying it 3rd party for an extra $5 a lb. Stuff from protivin is 4.99 a lb in house and 10.99 a lb at HyVee.

 

[mnole03]

If this is a surreptitious work around Iowa’s weed laws, I’m for it.

 

[Gimmered]

Every industry operates a PAC and attempts to lobby their cause, unconcerned about that,.. My issue is California trying to wag the dog, by dictating to the entire pork industry...

California has the right to dictate how the pork is raised that's sold in California. Iowa has the right to raise the pork they sell how they want. California doesn't have the right to dictate how Iowans raise their pork. Iowans don't have the right to insist Californians buy their pork.
This is exactly how it is and how it should be. Californians will have to live with their choices and Iowans will to.

Grassley needs to worry about bathroom bills.

 

[McLovin32]

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Grassley needs to worry about retiring.

FIFY

 

[Gimmered]

Sort of,.. California is certainly free to dictate agricultural business inside it's state, but their reach should end at the state border,.. If they stick to their guns, do it with incentives, and their markets are desirable enough, producers that want to pursue that business will do so at their own pace.

Over 63% of California voters and the SCOTUS disagree with you. This is a settled issue.

 

[cohawk]

Grassley's doing exactly what a Senator from Iowa should be doing here...

Not if the regulations protect the people of California.

He’s old and has no business being a senator.

 

[cohawk]

Problem is it's the large national packing firms like Smithfield, Farmland and Tyson that will ultimately dictate this,.. If California sets a special standard these packers will be faced with either requiring their suppliers to comply or simply stop shipping to California,.. Since it would be cost prohibitive to produce a separate "California compliant" product line, I suspect that they will choose to lean on producers across the board,.. The proposed Grassley bill doesn't dictate production methods, rather it prevents individual states from dictating production methods on a national level...

Hmm states rights anyone?

You can pass more strict regulations at the state level. That’s always been the case. California is the wealthiest US state. Pork producers will comply.

 

[Gimmered]

Not if the regulations protect the people of California.

He’s old and has no business being a senator.

This has nothing to do with protecting the people in California.

 

[Gimmered]

Hmm states rights anyone?

You can pass more strict regulations at the state level. That’s always been the case. California is the wealthiest US state. Pork producers will comply.

Likely some will. California only consumes 13% of the pork produced. These regulations will cost producers millions and will result in 15% less pork produced in the same space.

 

[JRHawk2003]

JR actually reminded me that I need to pull a pack of Edgewood's peppered bacon out of the deep freeze for this weekend. Getting half a boner just thinking about it.

Better your arteries than mine...

 

[JRHawk2003]

This has nothing to do with protecting the people in California.

It's about curtailing the atrocious "animal husbandry" of the pork producers.

 

[cohawk]

Sort of,.. California is certainly free to dictate agricultural business inside it's state, but their reach should end at the state border,.. If they stick to their guns, do it with incentives, and their markets are desirable enough, producers that want to pursue that business will do so at their own pace.

California can dictate whatever rules, laws, and regulations within their own border so long as it doesn’t negate something federal in nature. This does none of that.

They are the richest state in America. They have more bargaining power than Iowa.

This is how things work when you don’t have the ultimate participation trophy at play. Meaning a POTUS who lost the popular vote.

 

[cohawk]

So you try to not put money into farmer's hands?

He said nothing about farmers. He was commenting on Iowa commodities and his use.

Farmers are the ultimate welfare recipients. Farm subsidies are the raping of the American taxpayer

 

[Gimmered]

It's about curtailing the atrocious "animal husbandry" of the pork producers.

Thank you for agreeing with me.

 

[McLovin32]

Better your arteries than mine...

I walk between 35-50 miles a week, and lift 3-4 times a week....my arteries will be just fine w/ some bacon in my stomach every now and then.

 

[BrunoMars420]

Yes. Pretty much. I had a few sticks of jerky here and there, but I have not had anything like a steak or burger in years.

Pussy

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

I walk between 35-50 miles a week, and lift 3-4 times a week....my arteries will be just fine w/ some bacon in my stomach every now and then.

There is no dish that bacon doesn’t make better.

 

[McLovin32]

There is no dish that bacon doesn’t make better.