That’s the fallacy- coaches don’t “turn” kids into better people. All they can do is provide structure and discipline, which the young man can either accept or reject
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Also, let's not forget that Ben is a 220 pounder and has been for a few years. It will take him some time to grow into a HWT. But when he does, watch out!!
They may not "turn" them into better people, but they can sure inspire them to be better and they can inspire them to try to be the best version of themselves. Sounds like splitting hairs to me.
He’s either an alcoholic (typical Iowa undergrad), or has the worst luck ever . If he’s fallen into being a typical Iowa undergrad party animal, then he has thrown in the towel on ever earning a spot in the starting line up.
Sorry but OWI has nothing to do with luck.
He’s a kid and has made some bad decisions. Shouldn’t be crucified for them. Hopefully he is accountable for his mistakes, learns from them, and is better as a result.
Well stated my friend...on every bullet!
Greatest recruit of all time? I don't want to start that whole who's the best college wrestler ever debate but with 2 NCAA championships I don't think Gable's the greatest recruit. And I'm not taking anything away from the guy. For all I know he could go down as the best freestyle HWT wrestler ever. But I don't think he's the greatest college recruit ever.
Well stated...and I agree. Though I would love to see what he can do just the same. As others have said, we don't know how many years we'll have him as a wrestler so I'd like to see TnT let it fly with him and some of these youngsters and see what they're capable of. In the era of NIL there's no guarantee that we'll have any of these guys beyond this year...and that was clearly an exaggeration but you know what I mean.
He may not have panned out as the greatest wrester ever, but as far as a recruit out of high school - he was up there. His successes in high school were pretty amazing.
The same with Dave Schultz. He was beating D1 AAs while in high school. No one would put Dave Schultz as the greatest D1 wrestler of all time, with his results (even though they were impressive) but as far as a recruit goes - he was one of the greatest.
Evidently not. He must consider all alcoholics to be losers.
Maybe some alternative means of punishment - earn your way back on to the team through blood sweat and tears as opposed to being thrown out like trash. Lessons learned in blood are not soon forgotten. Young adults make mistakes.
I think weighing the full 285 is not a must anymore - cassar, Davison, parris, Steveson, gwiz, Snyder - 230-260 range - coon and the kid from az state are full size but no titles.
Football pre season should help add some beef.
Perhaps.
One big mistake and I'm all for second chances.
Another big error in judgment within the next year indicates a pattern of bad choices/bad behavior.
I have the same POV with oldest Ferrari.
Then again, no one on the staff should give a crap what I think.
Interesting to compare to Ferrari situation. One involves bringing on someone accused and charged with assault against another person before being offered a spot on the team. The other with drinking/driving offenses after being accepted onto the team.
I don't think he said anything about not believing in second chances. I think he is just stating an obvious fact.
If you are interested in being a typical undergrad at Iowa, you are not doing what needs to be done to make the Iowa Wrestling team. I think we can all agree with that. I don't think he was saying he should be thrown off the team or punished, but rather he is saying the kid has made life choices that will preclude him from making the team.
Maybe I misread that, but that is the vibe I got.
I think alcohol has fueled multiple AA’s over the years.
I agree with you on all that. But ultimately the athlete makes their own decision, and if it’s the wrong one, that can’t really be blamed on the coaches
