Then stop posting about it. Please, Gobblin, for the love of God. Your pov is more than clear. We got it. We read you loud and clear. There is no gray area that you need to clear up with another post on the topic of covid. Back to wrestling.
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It’s pretty hard to believe that we’re nearly 2 years into this and people still don’t understand how fatality rates work. You’re citing CFR which isn’t a particularly significant data point. IFR is a more useful metric and takes into account the fact that there are a very high number (millions around the country and world) who’ve had it but don’t even test let alone test positive. It’s the only relevant measure when assessing the deadliness of Covid and chances of dying. Most studies have it somewhere south of 1% but not all have it as low as 0.1%.
None of us are surprised that this post and “sick flex” made you once again look like a clown.
It is to some which is sad and a lack of political leadership. Covid has been politicized on both sides of the aisle. (remember when Kamala said she would never take a vaccine made under Trump?)
I don't think you understand fascism (like many on the left). You love to throw the accusation but Marxism and Socialism have far more in common with Fascism than does capitalism.
Both promote redistibution of wealth, large government, large social welfare and limiting individual ownership and rights. Capitalism is the opposite.
Fascists were socialists. read this from BBC. https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z98gxsg/revision/2
Regardless, the left is on control of the house senate white house and DA offices and crime is rising. The only Fascist behavior I have seen has been on the left. Russian Collusion anyone???
Yeah, you quoted me. I responded.
I have zero clue what life consists of? How do you know that? I have friends, a family, and a career. Me being sick of you playing both victim and tough guy at the same time says nothing about me other than that I disagree with the way you are living on this board.
As far as me falling of the face of the earth? Well im not even going to address that directly. If you actually knew me, Im sure you would feel like a fool for posting that.
Wait, you’re saying that fascism isn’t right wing? Like Spain, Italy, Germany, etc going into WWII? Are you joking? Just convenient omissions?
add to it that FEMA is paying funeral expenses for covid death (up to 6k) and the numbers are probably being skewed.
Look up the stats on how many 18-40 year olds have died from heroin and fentanyl in the same timeframe as Covid and show as much remorse and contempt for the government and their lack of want to close the borders and maybe your smack about Covid would prove your more than a disrespectful political hack Take that much more serious and can prove they have confiscated enough fentanyl to OD everyone in the U.S. in less than the last year. Covid will be nothing but a flu like illness while heroin will keep killing. Get some perspective in your life beyond your politics.
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How is fascism defined? Robert Paxton, a professor emeritus of social science at Columbia University in New York told Live Science that fascism is "a form of political practice distinctive to the 20th century that arouses popular enthusiasm by sophisticated propaganda techniques."
According to Paxton, fascism uses such propaganda to promote:
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How is fascism defined? Robert Paxton, a professor emeritus of social science at Columbia University in New York told Live Science that fascism is "a form of political practice distinctive to the 20th century that arouses popular enthusiasm by sophisticated propaganda techniques."
According to Paxton, fascism uses such propaganda to promote:
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- anti-liberalism, rejecting individual rights, civil liberties, free enterprise and democracy
- anti-socialism, rejecting economic principles based on socialist frameworks
- exclusion of certain groups, often through violence
- nationalism that seeks to expand the nation's influence and power
What is fascism?
Fascism is a political ideology that's actually pretty difficult to define.
Why are you bringing up drugs, or assuming I need to be educated about it? I can have opinions on differing topics at the same time. You posting this just reeks as an attempt to let me know your politics. I really dont care.
Yes. think of it as a circle rather than a line.
BTW fascism was started in Italy by a Marxist --Giovanni Gentile. He was a professor who became a fascist while writing a book- "the philosophy of Marx".
Then get back to talking about wrestling because that's what people want to talk about... I don't belong to either side... Now who are we going to be wrestling?
I’m aware. He ultimately rejected Marxism. It’s amazing what the right does to absolve themselves of guilt and deny the plain truths ic fascist ideology. Now if you’d have chose the term “authoritarian”, you’d have had more of a point in that it comes equally in left and right (Pol Pot to Pinochet) forms.
Are the brackets going to be on trackwrestling? or where?
One difference is that CFR can be measured, while IFR can only be estimated. I gave the CFR. If there are double the number of cases (the IFR is half the current CFR), then if everyone became infected we'd only have around 3,000,000 dead people in this country. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971221007931 is a good paper on the comparable measures.
I have no idea what "sick flex" means.
Good thing that everyone doesn’t become infected then. None of this was me saying Covid is a non-event. Your reply was just off base. The flex was how you ended it “Grow up, indeed.”
Sorry for this long-wined post, but as these threads degenerate, we run off the intellectual rails. This conversation belongs in another forum.
I'm not sure that some of you understand these ideologies very well. Fascists in Europe were once called national socialists, but they weren't really socialists as we understand the term. Here are some definitions from Wikipedia that are generally agreed upon.
Capitalism: An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development occurs through the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.
Fascism: A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
Socialism: A political, social, and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterized by social ownership of the means of production.
Communism: A philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose goal is the establishment of a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state. Communism is a specific, yet distinct, form of socialism.
Authoritarianism: A form of government in which the governing body has absolute, or almost absolute, control. Typically this control is maintained by force, and little heed is paid to public opinion or the judicial system.
Therefore, all communists are socialists, but not all socialists are communists, nor is socialism necessarily a step towards communism. In fact, we don't have many real communists in this country, nor do we have much of a far-left wing anymore like we did pre-1970. Some people like to throw around those words either to threaten, or to undermine their opponent's reputations, but they are generally not true.
Like it or not, we all live in a market economy. We have always been, and always will be, a capitalist country. In this country, the issue is how much should government control the lives of citizens in the name of the public good. And don't equate capitalism with democracy. You can have capitalism with democracy like the USA, or without democracy like China, or anyplace in between.
We may have seen authoritarian behavior from the American Liberals, but not communism. The closest that we have come to real socialism is the New Deal in the 1930s. This isn't to say that our government is always benign or without fault, or to say that we haven't crept closer to a welfare state over time, but it hasn't come closer to a communist state. Whether we're seeing fascism or authoritarianism according to the above definitions, I'll leave up to you.
I really miss the days where Gobblin was simply a knowledgeable wrestling fan with some inside knowledge and not the voice of the pandemic.
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You're saying this two weeks after a former Iowa wrestler just died from covid. Do you not see how insensitive and inaccurate this is?
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Continuing to call covid a cold is extremely distasteful. Most of us know people close to us who have died from it. Even in this comment you're continuing to downplay it.
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“Belongs in another forum”
proceeds to open a gas can on the fire.
wrestling please
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This mentality is the exact reason we're at nearly 1 million dead in the U.S. Certainly doctors wouldn't agree with your statement.
Gobblin putting on his tough-guy internet boxing gloves again. Common occurrence.
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Why would I need boxing gloves you idiot??
The irony is beyond palpable.
Correction…no gloves needed. Geez, you’re even tougher than we thought!
Merry Xmas, Gobblin. We all love you. Go Hawks.
Dr. Paxton's definition is correct.@armbartilt
How is fascism defined? Robert Paxton, a professor emeritus of social science at Columbia University in New York told Live Science that fascism is "a form of political practice distinctive to the 20th century that arouses popular enthusiasm by sophisticated propaganda techniques."
According to Paxton, fascism uses such propaganda to promote:
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Historically, fascists have opposed modernization "if that term means liberalism, democracy, Marxism, individualism, and feminism,"
- anti-liberalism, rejecting individual rights, civil liberties, free enterprise and democracy
- anti-socialism, rejecting economic principles based on socialist frameworks
- exclusion of certain groups, often through violence
- nationalism that seeks to expand the nation's influence and power
What is fascism?
Fascism is a political ideology that's actually pretty difficult to define.
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