Hawkeye Women's Hoop season
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Here I thought the officials in the men’s game were bad but the officials in today’s game with IU take bad to a whole new level.
Doyle averaged 3.8 turnovers per game her senior year. Clark is at 5.1 this year. Obviously Clark's numbers are higher, but Iowa also plays at a faster pace this year, and I'd guess Clark has the ball in her hands a little more than Doyle did. That's why I think her numbers will always be high. The best we can probably hope for is something like 3.5 per game.
Bueckers averages 2.5 per game this year for a non-Iowa comparison.
Women’s basketball officiating is a complete and total joke.
Do they even watch the game?
Clark fouls out on a correct call but her fourth was questionable. Officials probably decided the end of this game.
They have been bad the entire game.
I watch as many Iowa women’s games as possible and this game is no different than the rest. I can predict 2 things in an Iowa game, no defense and bad officiating.
Is this even serious? Bohannon gets by in the men's game without great quicks, but comparatively he could get anywhere on the floor he would want to against any guard in the woman's game. And you really think Clark could play Tony Carr from Minnesota or Washington from OSU evenly in a game of 1-1? They are both 6+ inches taller, outweigh her considerably are are much quicker and stronger. I can't believe this is being discussed, but here we are.
Ind's posts are the best in the B1G. Nine point loss against a projected #3 seed, on the road (and the home team getting the full advantage). Not bad.
Indiana is good. Thank you for providing the context. This Iowa team is pretty good, just struggles against really good teams.
Can you read? I specifically mentioned a height disadvantage in qualifying my statements. Clark has played against men/boys and beat many of them going back to her days in AAU and she plays against family members who are/were D1 basketball players. I think there are a lot of guards in the men's game she could beat, given she's not being asked to go against a player she's at a considerable size advantage. But JBo is 6'1 and he's not all that quick and I think Clark would be fairly evenly matched against JBo and Clark is a much better shooter. Of course Carr and Washington, with a considerable size advantage would be a mismatch for her.
Clark fouling out was the big difference. Iowa was only down 4 or 5 points at the moment and there was plenty of time. Though they really should have played a better third quarter. And the first quarter.
Monica has got to focus almost completely on post defense in the offseason. From what I've seen from Goodman, I really think Monica is in danger of being passed over on the depth chart. Czinano is better offensively for the moment, but Goodman is tougher post presence and puts in more effort on the glass.
Monica is very good on offense not so much on defense. For the position defense, blocking penetration and rebounding is a weakness. We sag our guards to help but means more space foe 3 pointers. Indiana is a lot like us, upper class guards that can shoot, drive and defend against younger players. Next year with 2 more bigs, we can be more aggressive on defense with 10 more fouls if nothing else
I think Goodman may beat her out next year if she has a good off-season. czinano kills this team on defense and rebounding IMO.
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Clark is one of the best women's players in all of the NCAA. JBo is good, but not even close to being one of the best players anymore. They are the same height and Clark has a longer wingspan, is a much better shooter, and has even deeper range that JBo. Dismissing the possibility that Clark could beat Jbo 1-1 is completely ignorant.
Women can beat men at basketball. It happens every day on college campuses everywhere and in WNBA practice squads.
Can women beat men in basketball? Absolutely. But the examples being cited are the best of the best women (Division 1 athletes and WNBA players) against average men. Not the best of the best.
I'm highly skeptical of Kobe's claim for the same reason that I'm highly skeptical of Luka Garza's chances of having a long NBA career: because despite tremendous skill, a decent part of basketball comes down to athleticism alone. Other sports (like baseball or kicking and punting in football) are different, and seeing the gender barrier broken in one of them is more conceivable.
For the JBo vs. Clark argument, I'd make JBo a heavy favorite in a 1 on 1 game if both took it completely seriously. JBo routinely scores against and defends players that are better athletes than he is. He can even get to the basket on occasion. Clark is scoring against athletes that are generally at her level athletically or below. And athleticism has an even bigger impact in 1 on 1 games than it does in regular basketball.
I'm highly skeptical of Kobe's claim for the same reason that I'm highly skeptical of Luka Garza's chances of having a long NBA career: because despite tremendous skill, a decent part of basketball comes down to athleticism alone. Other sports (like baseball or kicking and punting in football) are different, and seeing the gender barrier broken in one of them is more conceivable.
For the JBo vs. Clark argument, I'd make JBo a heavy favorite in a 1 on 1 game if both took it completely seriously. JBo routinely scores against and defends players that are better athletes than he is. He can even get to the basket on occasion. Clark is scoring against athletes that are generally at her level athletically or below. And athleticism has an even bigger impact in 1 on 1 games than it does in regular basketball.
ESPN's bracketology has Iowa as an 8 seed. I think they're a lock to make the Tournament. There are 7 Big Ten teams projected in the tournament right now. It would be 8 if Ohio State was eligible for the post season.
The refs today were kind of bad. I thought it was kind of funny watching #4 (?) for Indiana and how she was always ready to flop, she was turning her body around and jerking around alot like Iowa had run over her or given her shove or something anytime the ball was close to her. She did get the offensive foul on Clark in the 3 quarter for the oblivious flop. I thought she might have fouled Clark, she had her hands all over her and then Clark put her hand out and she goes to the ground. Don't they give Technical Fouls in the NBA for flops? Too bad they don't do it in college too, although they probably wouldn't have called against Indiana today.
They should be in due the strenght of the BIG. Iowa has a very high NET ranking. We should win on Saturday and hopefully add a game or two in the BTT. Also there were fewer games played in the non-conference due to COVID. Iowa was supposed to play a tournament in FL that was cancelled and the BIG East and ACC wnomen's tournaments against the BIG were both cancelled as well. Iowa will be an 8-11 seed but should be in. Currently ESPN has 6 BIG teams in.
Czinano made a big jump offensively between her freshman and sophomore years. If Goodman can make a jump too, then I think there is a legitimate argument about who should play more. Goodman doesn't have to be at Czinano's level offensively, because as others have mentioned she's a better defender and better rebounder.
Czinano's defense is my biggest worry about Iowa's ceiling during Clark's years here. Schematically I think the coaches are trying to compensate for Monika's defensive issues, and that's part of the reason the team defense as a whole is terrible. I'm not sure anyone on the team is a good defender, but the team defense as a whole would be better if we had a better defender at the 5.
One one one comes down to the ability to create space and shoot. JBo struggles creating space for himself while Clark has shown a knack for side stepping, using the lean and using step back jumpers. Jbo should be able to drive and take Clark to the rim, but Clark can create space and shoot jumpers and threes all day. Clark has scored one everyone, with the exception of the 1st game against NW which was more about team defense. You don't have 11 30+ point games without being able to score against better athletes.
Athleticism is such a generic term. I think you have to break it down into more quantifiable categories. Jbo would of course be stronger and be able to jump higher. He can drive with more power and be physical, but Clark is likely more agile than Jbo and more able to move with lateral quickness to create separation to get off her shots.
I really think that both players would be able to put points on the board in a 1-1 matchup but I would give Clark a slight advantage because I think she makes a higher percentage of her shots. It would be a close contest, but I think if we're talking a game of 21, Clark would edge Jbo out.
I just see better positioning from Goodman and she actually boxes out. Monica is a better scorer but with better footwork and body control Goodman can be the low post defender and rebounder this team is sorely missing. Watch her film against Michigan when she saw extended minutes. A lot of people didn't think much of Jamie Cavey either and she was 2 time all big ten team. I was almost laughed off the board when I predicted it back when I was covering WBB for rivals in the Miller days but she proved the naysayers wrong.
Czinano is a street sign on defense, and if she's up against a competent "big" (like she was against Indiana), frustration can set in and we start to see some of the 'blindly chuck it up toward the general area of the rim' efforts she can fall back in to. Not saying Goodman is better at this point, but I can certainly see where some on here think she can pass MC next season.
And I get where you get fouled and look at the refs like "what the hell?", but IMHO she does it much too often. I'm in the 'if you complain all the time you ain't getting ANY borderline calls' camp.
Czinano is leading the nation in FG% at nearly 70%. She forced her shots against better defenders yesterday but it's somewhat an outlier (like Garza against Michigan). She is Megan-lite on offense. Not on the same planet with offensive skill, cause no one was, but she establishes good positioning and uses her body to typically take high percentage shots. Iowa just needs to ensure shots are taken within the flow of the offense and not to force entry passes either. Czinano's defense is her biggest liability as mentioned. But the whole team is slow to react to ball movement and often get beaten off the dribble too.
Going forward Iowa's offensive potential is unlimited with Clark and Iowa's shooters and post options. Defensive improvements will take Iowa as far as they want to go whether it's Big Ten championships or deep tournament runs.
Going forward Iowa's offensive potential is unlimited with Clark and Iowa's shooters and post options. Defensive improvements will take Iowa as far as they want to go whether it's Big Ten championships or deep tournament runs.
Marshall is fine. She just needs to look for her shot and develop a quick release. She can stand to improve her lateral quickness to help her create space but I've seen her use fakes well to get open.
As far as defense she is the best on ball defender on the team. There are no issues there. If she can improve her defense it will be awareness which is a team weakness in general.
She is getting more attention on the perimeter this year without Doyle/Meyer. She still hits a high percentage of her shots. She could stand to be more aggressive but she knows she's not the primary scoring option with Clark and Monica.
I think Lisa made a big mistake in not recruiting the Joen's girls. Yea I know all about their dad and his antics. But Ashley is just relentless in side and would have really helped this team out. And Aubrey has taken steps forward this year and will be a good player before she is done.
FIFY, and I would still take Austin Ash over Clark in a game of 1-1, and I'll do it at 5-1 odds.
If there were women that could play in the NBA, they would be. G league players contracts are comparable to most in the WNBA, and a NBA min contract is higher than 'core' WNBA players
Again, most importantly, CLARK IS AMAZING! None of this is to take anything away from her. She is a marvel to watch, and incredibly skilled.
Clark > Lebron
I'd give her at least even money with him in a 3 point shooting contest!
This is a super long thread so maybe covered earlier (sorry) but does anyone know why Alexis isn’t playing? She was first off the bench or a starter last couple of years.
Passed up on the depth chart. She looks a step slower this year. Same with Zion Sanders. Only two seniors on team.
