You could actually read what he wrote and offer an intelligent critique.
HBOT posters over age 50: Is this the craziest time period you’ve lived through?
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And Atwater had the decency to admit he was wrong and apologize before he died.
When Art and I grew up, there were only 3 choices abc, nbc, and cbs. No one had cable. It's true we all had the same cultural experience and watched basically the same news casts. Today it's too easy to only consume information based on your bias.
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Yeah, when I was a kid there might be 40 million people all watching Bewitched at the same time. The biggest hit in the last decade maybe had 10 million watching.
50 million Americans all watched Billie Jean King vs Bobby Riggs. 85 millions watched the 68 Democratic Convention. Tens of millions of American all experiencing the same cultural events together, night after night, week after week.
It might be the craziest time in my lifetime, but anyone that thinks the political climate and political violence are worse than the 60s/early 70s era is off their rocker.
I think maybe it was fairly easy to be removed from it in that era... simply don't turn on the news at 6 and don't read the paper. But it's insane to compare the two eras in terms of political conflict, and you sound stupid if you do.
Let's try on for size, 1960-1975:
- 71 Airplane Hiijackings, 26 involving American flights. The majority (but not all) of those where political.
- 13 politically motivated assassinations in the US alone
- 2000 political bombings in the United States with hundreds dead or injured
- 300+ Race riots in American cities
- Multiple murderous domestic terror organizations operating, including the Symbionese Liberation Army (8 murders), Ku Klux Klan (at LEAST 10 murders), Jewish Defense League (probably several murders).
Which is to say nothing of the US literally being at war, as well as in the Cold War.
January 6 was a disgrace. George Floyd riots were bad. But the level of crazy conflict news that was happening on literally a daily basis in the 1960s and 1970s is insane, and not remotely comparable to today.
I think maybe it was fairly easy to be removed from it in that era... simply don't turn on the news at 6 and don't read the paper. But it's insane to compare the two eras in terms of political conflict, and you sound stupid if you do.
Let's try on for size, 1960-1975:
- 71 Airplane Hiijackings, 26 involving American flights. The majority (but not all) of those where political.
- 13 politically motivated assassinations in the US alone
- 2000 political bombings in the United States with hundreds dead or injured
- 300+ Race riots in American cities
- Multiple murderous domestic terror organizations operating, including the Symbionese Liberation Army (8 murders), Ku Klux Klan (at LEAST 10 murders), Jewish Defense League (probably several murders).
Which is to say nothing of the US literally being at war, as well as in the Cold War.
January 6 was a disgrace. George Floyd riots were bad. But the level of crazy conflict news that was happening on literally a daily basis in the 1960s and 1970s is insane, and not remotely comparable to today.
The question is, which era was crazier. The 60's and 70's were more profound. Today is more crazy.
Really? I don't know about that at all.
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Craziest? Probably.
Stupidest? Definitely.
Stupidest? Definitely.
It has been crazy lately. But I would say Vietnam and the Iraq/Afghan wars after the first couple years where they got bad were really bad as far as US direct involvement, death and maiming of US soldiers, etc.
But #1, none of us ever thought we would see a Prez lie and try to overturn an election and push for Jan 6 insurrection. That is the most definite outlier to me. We have had very tough times with tuberculosis and polio taking and maiming people so a Covid thing is similar.
But the rule of law has just been erased when trump can do it and so many crappy people have come out of the woodwork. I lived during other Israeli wars against middle east countries so that is like a decade type thing
Those culture objectives definitely changed under biden. And they changed very quickly. Biden ushered in dei and trans. So it did matter that he was president.
Trump has already made an effort to eradicate these 2 items and I have no doubt it will continue under his leadership.
Dei affected nearly everyone in the working world. Did you have to do diversity training in your job? That was from biden. Don't underestimate how much of a negative impact biden had on all of us.
I think Covid and everything around it broke a lot of people mentally. Some of the manifestations take longer to play out than others. But a lot of people are permanently altered.
The federal government didn't have much to do with the spread of "DEI"
Liberal institutions, like certain progressive Universities, were the biggest sources. It then started migrating to the business world. Although it's been fading for a while before Trump came onto the scene.
No, going to "diversity training" was not some Biden inspired thing.
Some of this sort of training existed before "DEI".
And most of it didn't matter much one way or another. Moreso just a waste of time.
Case in point. Art offers multiple thoughtful posts on what he views as the negative direction the country is heading, and instead of having a discussion about how you might disagree, you taunt him for 'whining." Not that I'd expect you to have a cogent response, but this is the behavior of an unserious person and a terrible citizen of our shared country.
Old enough to remember sort of the oil crisis and recession of 73/74 with the close of Vietnam. US and Soviets on the brink. Mayaguez. Early 80s in Iowa on a farm. Major economic crisis in early 80s. Soviets and Cubans seemed to be rolling. SLA. Turmoil in Europe. Swine flu scar.
That seemed worse. I think the 60s were pretty bad in a lot of ways.
That seemed worse. I think the 60s were pretty bad in a lot of ways.
I believe you are spot on with Limbaugh IMO, He brought divisiveness mainstream and he was on the radio everywhere. He was a driving force in making hating your enemies popular.
The death of newspapers may big the biggest contributor. Minimal sensationalization.
I would just change this a little bit. Before Limbaugh, political parties were rivals not enemies. We've gone from disagreeing on policy and visions for the future to viewing the other side as evil.
True. It's brutal.
I'm trying to not debate politics with people...it just divides and accomplishes nothing.
58 and somewhat remember the nam era. I'm going to say your right, shit was tense then. Lots of pissed off.
Wow…I don’t know how to respond to someone that far left? 😳
Military or domestic? There were only 3 domestically in 1973.
There were 2500 bombings in 1971-72 in the United States
How many were by the military? You are making a solid point.
There were 2500 bombings in 1972-73 in the United States
Good point. With fewer TV channel options & news outlets…everyone (regardless of politics) could discuss similar topics around the “water cooler” at work. I recall when the last episode of M.A.S.H. was run…it was a huge deal. 😉
I don’t know about craziest, but I do think this is the saddest time I can remember. And demoralizing. The fact that a guy like Donald Trump holds sway over so many people is astonishing to me.
I’m 50.
Craziest times ever:
1- 2020 COVID
2- 9/11 and aftermath
3- Trump winning in 2016 and the few months after.
Craziest times ever:
1- 2020 COVID
2- 9/11 and aftermath
3- Trump winning in 2016 and the few months after.
Yes. The only time even remotely close is 9/11 and the aftermath, but I fear the next couple years may be much worse.
I am not quite as old as your mother, but I do not think this is the craziest time in the last 70 years.
I do think the ability to communicate everyone's personal craziness makes it seem that way though.
I've had corporate diversity training going back to the late 90s.
How did Biden "usher in trans"? They existed prior to Biden and will always exist.
I don't think the traits listed above are unique to today's world. That type of behavior has been going on for thousands of years.
Kudos to you on the use of scripture!
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