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Here it is. The voter suppression plan for all to see.

The organization pushing all this voter fraud crap, the Heritage Foundation has 1,100 documented cases of voter fraud since 1983. That’s 1,100 out of what...5 billion votes?

Yeah it’s a not a problem and never has been. And anyone who supports these laws is actively supporting voter suppression.

End of discussion.
 
Potential.....potential, not actual voter fraud. Show me the evidence.
Yes. Potential

I guess I should clarify. I don’t have a problem with mail in when the voter requests it and shows proof of identity. HR1 would consider that a “restriction”.
 
Potential.....potential, not actual voter fraud. Show me the evidence.
At this point, I think all unmarried women need to be put on forced birth control, because any of them could "potentially" get pregnant and have an abortion. 🙄
 
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Far be it from me to disagree with an article from Reuters quoting a DeKalb County election official, but below is the actual text from the law. You will notice that it is the State Election Board being granted power over the local election boards, who are often times staffed by political volunteers.

303 (c) Following the preliminary hearing described in subsection (b) of this Code section, the
304 State Election Board may suspend a county or municipal superintendent pursuant to this
305 Code section if at least three members of the board find, after notice and hearing, that:
306 (1) By a preponderance of the evidence, a county or municipal superintendent has
307 committed at least three violations of this title or of State Election Board rules and
308 regulations, in the last two general election cycles; and the county or municipal
309 superintendent has not sufficiently remedied the violations; or
310 (2) By clear and convincing evidence, the county or municipal superintendent has, for
311 at least two elections within a two-year period, demonstrated nonfeasance, malfeasance,
312 or gross negligence in the administration of the elections.
313 (d) A majority of the members of a board of elections, board of elections and registration,
314 or county commission; a probate judge who serves as election superintendent, or, for a sole
315 commissioner form of government, a sole commissioner may petition the Secretary of State
316 to continue any hearing scheduled pursuant to this Code section. Upon a showing of good
317 cause, the State Election Board may in its sound discretion continue any such hearing.
318 Notwithstanding any other provision of law, deliberations held on such petition by the State
319 Election Board shall not be open to the public; provided, however, that testimony shall be
320 taken in an open meeting and a vote on the recommendation shall be taken in an open
321 meeting following the hearing or at the next regularly scheduled meeting.
322 (e)(1) If the State Election Board makes a finding in accordance with subsection (c) of
323 this Code section, it may suspend the superintendent or board of registrars with pay and
324 appoint an individual to serve as the temporary superintendent. The temporary
325 superintendent who is appointed shall be otherwise qualified to serve or meet the
326 necessary qualifications within three months of appointment. 21 SB 202/AP S. B. 202 - 14 -
327 (2) Any superintendent suspended under this Code section may petition the State
328 Election Board for reinstatement no earlier than 30 days following suspension and no
329 later than 60 days following suspension. In the event that a suspended superintendent or
330 registrar does not petition for reinstatement within the allotted time period, his or her
331 suspension shall be converted into permanent removal, and the temporary superintendent
332 shall become a permanent superintendent subject to removal by the jurisdiction not less
333 than nine months after his or her appointment.
334 (3) If, after the expiration of the nine-month period following the appointment, the
335 jurisdiction removes the permanent superintendent, any provisions of local or general law
336 governing appointment of the superintendent shall govern the appointment of the
337 superintendent.
338 (4) If, at any time after the expiration of the nine-month period following the
339 appointment, at least three members of the State Election Board find, after notice and
340 hearing, that the jurisdiction no longer requires a superintendent appointed under this
341 Code section, any provisions of local or general law governing appointment of the
342 superintendent shall govern the appointment of the superintendent.

So clearly the legislature cannot replace whatever election officials that they want and replace them with lackeys. There is a clear process where election officials that are clearly not acting in the public trust, as determined by another clear process, over multiple elections, can be dealt with. There is nothing wrong with that at all.

You are being lied to.
 
How
The same Stacy Abrams that says she lost the Georgia governor’s race BEFORE this legislation ?

HR 1 is garbage
exactly how is legislation that restores voting rights removed by certain states “ garbage”?
Binsfield...Georgia doesn’t want many folks of color to vote...they never have. They are making it difficult for these ( poor) blacks to vote by setting barriers to voting access. I don’t know how much a problem voter fraud is in Georgia...but I have never read much about it. Again, this is the classic “solution looking for a problem” scenario. Very much like what we have in Iowa.
 
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Far be it from me to disagree with an article from Reuters quoting a DeKalb County election official, but below is the actual text from the law. You will notice that it is the State Election Board being granted power over the local election boards, who are often times staffed by political volunteers.

303 (c) Following the preliminary hearing described in subsection (b) of this Code section, the
304 State Election Board may suspend a county or municipal superintendent pursuant to this
305 Code section if at least three members of the board find, after notice and hearing, that:
306 (1) By a preponderance of the evidence, a county or municipal superintendent has
307 committed at least three violations of this title or of State Election Board rules and
308 regulations, in the last two general election cycles; and the county or municipal
309 superintendent has not sufficiently remedied the violations; or
310 (2) By clear and convincing evidence, the county or municipal superintendent has, for
311 at least two elections within a two-year period, demonstrated nonfeasance, malfeasance,
312 or gross negligence in the administration of the elections.
313 (d) A majority of the members of a board of elections, board of elections and registration,
314 or county commission; a probate judge who serves as election superintendent, or, for a sole
315 commissioner form of government, a sole commissioner may petition the Secretary of State
316 to continue any hearing scheduled pursuant to this Code section. Upon a showing of good
317 cause, the State Election Board may in its sound discretion continue any such hearing.
318 Notwithstanding any other provision of law, deliberations held on such petition by the State
319 Election Board shall not be open to the public; provided, however, that testimony shall be
320 taken in an open meeting and a vote on the recommendation shall be taken in an open
321 meeting following the hearing or at the next regularly scheduled meeting.
322 (e)(1) If the State Election Board makes a finding in accordance with subsection (c) of
323 this Code section, it may suspend the superintendent or board of registrars with pay and
324 appoint an individual to serve as the temporary superintendent. The temporary
325 superintendent who is appointed shall be otherwise qualified to serve or meet the
326 necessary qualifications within three months of appointment. 21 SB 202/AP S. B. 202 - 14 -
327 (2) Any superintendent suspended under this Code section may petition the State
328 Election Board for reinstatement no earlier than 30 days following suspension and no
329 later than 60 days following suspension. In the event that a suspended superintendent or
330 registrar does not petition for reinstatement within the allotted time period, his or her
331 suspension shall be converted into permanent removal, and the temporary superintendent
332 shall become a permanent superintendent subject to removal by the jurisdiction not less
333 than nine months after his or her appointment.
334 (3) If, after the expiration of the nine-month period following the appointment, the
335 jurisdiction removes the permanent superintendent, any provisions of local or general law
336 governing appointment of the superintendent shall govern the appointment of the
337 superintendent.
338 (4) If, at any time after the expiration of the nine-month period following the
339 appointment, at least three members of the State Election Board find, after notice and
340 hearing, that the jurisdiction no longer requires a superintendent appointed under this
341 Code section, any provisions of local or general law governing appointment of the
342 superintendent shall govern the appointment of the superintendent.

So clearly the legislature cannot replace whatever election officials that they want and replace them with lackeys. There is a clear process where election officials that are clearly not acting in the public trust, as determined by another clear process, over multiple elections, can be dealt with. There is nothing wrong with that at all.

You are being lied to.
Again: Since WHEN did "evidence" require GOP members to consider taking actions?

They will not need "evidence". Accusations will suffice, and they've given themselves the green light here to do it.
 
I wonder what they actually believe. Like... they obviously believe in their mission, they believe it must be advantageous. But do they really think they're fixing important problems? Addressing democratic cheating?

The video cutup is a little conflicting since it shows what seems to be contradictory behavior. I wish I had the whole thing.
They believe in keeping all the money to themselves and fixing the ‘game’ to keep it that way.
 
Nobody in video mentions voter suppression. The narrator does.

I'd be curious what you make of the woman admitting that they wouldn't be doing this "If some of the states had gone differently"

In other words if Trump had won the election they would have just accepted there was no fraud.

She said flat out they are doing this because Trump lost. Not because there is some actual evidence of voter fraud or high risk of voter fraud. No no this was cause Trump lost.

These states have been adding these laws for years now. At what point do we have enough election security?

Before the 2018 election Georgia started purging the voter rolls. Then they lose in 2020 and start this new set of laws? When is enough enough? It's not like you have actual significant cases of voter fraud that you can point to and say "There is a problem". They keep making new legislation EVERY 2 YEARS to fix a problem that they can't even prove exists.

Also what do you make of the fact that she said they were specifically targeting certain states because of them being swing states??? Doesn't voter fraud matter in Wyoming or Kansas? Why is it that the Republicans are only concerned about voter fraud in the states that Dems can in win??? And don't tell me it's cause those state's voter laws are secure because Republicans run the elections there. Republicans ran the election in Georgia and they are acting like the previous laws that they wrote leave the whole process open to fraud.

Look admit it. . . it's a BS narrative about election security. . . this tape proves the narrative is BS by her specifically saying that this is happening because Trump lost the election and specifically saying they are targeting specific states that are swing states.

If voter fraud is a problem then why arn't they worried about it in Kansas??
 
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Vote by mail is not remotely problematic.

Oregon has been doing it for over a decade.
Colorado has that as an option, and mails ballots to every registered voter. You can either fill out that ballot OR you can decide to go in person and fill out a ballot on election day.

You cannot do both. That will easily be caught, the mail-in ballot will not be counted and you will be charged with a felony and fined, possibly jailed.

It simply is not "rocket science" to run mail-in ballots in the 2000s. Regardless of what Facebook and rightwing media say to you. They are lying.
How many
You mean voter fraud that doesn't exist? They are absolutely trying to make it harder for some people to vote. You are completely disingenuous if you won't admit that.
I won't admit that and I'm not being disingenuous.
 
You Marxists are hilarious. You post a video prepared by a left wing pseudo socialist group complaining that Republicans are trying to pass voter integrity bills, but of course the commentator calls them voter suppression bills. I'm sure he doesn't have an ax to grind. :rolleyes: But of course there is no mention of all the voting time extensions, loosening of regulations and safeguards, etc. that happened without legislative approval in many states in 2020. Or HR1 the lefts attempt to rig the game so we never have free or honest elections again.
 
How much voter fraud was found in 2020 when millions of Americans voted by mail?

How much?

I’ll hang up and listen for you response.
Einstein, if voter ID's are not a requirement, how would anyone know if someone voted two or more times? Where ballot harvesting is legal, how do we know all the votes were submitted and none were tampered with?

But you already know that and that is why the left always asks for proof.
 
The organization pushing all this voter fraud crap, the Heritage Foundation has 1,100 documented cases of voter fraud since 1983. That’s 1,100 out of what...5 billion votes?

Yeah it’s a not a problem and never has been. And anyone who supports these laws is actively supporting voter suppression.

End of discussion.
I'm only going to steal 10% of your money. What's the big deal? No problem right.

The left only wants to cheat.

End of discussion.
 
Again: Since WHEN did "evidence" require GOP members to consider taking actions?

They will not need "evidence". Accusations will suffice, and they've given themselves the green light here to do it.
I have quoted you chapter and verse from the actual law that proves you wrong. You said that the legislature can remove any election officials that they want and replace them with their lackey. It is clearly not true.

Your response is “Well you know they are going to do it anyways.” In that case, why bother passing a new law, and why are you so upset about the new law?
 
I'd be curious what you make of the woman admitting that they wouldn't be doing this "If some of the states had gone differently"

In other words if Trump had won the election they would have just accepted there was no fraud.

She said flat out they are doing this because Trump lost. Not because there is some actual evidence of voter fraud or high risk of voter fraud. No no this was cause Trump lost.

These states have been adding these laws for years now. At what point do we have enough election security?

Before the 2018 election Georgia started purging the voter rolls. Then they lose in 2020 and start this new set of laws? When is enough enough? It's not like you have actual significant cases of voter fraud that you can point to and say "There is a problem". They keep making new legislation EVERY 2 YEARS to fix a problem that they can't even prove exists.

Also what do you make of the fact that she said they were specifically targeting certain states because of them being swing states??? Doesn't voter fraud matter in Wyoming or Kansas? Why is it that the Republicans are only concerned about voter fraud in the states that Dems can in win??? And don't tell me it's cause those state's voter laws are secure because Republicans run the elections there. Republicans ran the election in Georgia and they are acting like the previous laws that they wrote leave the whole process open to fraud.

Look admit it. . . it's a BS narrative about election security. . . this tape proves the narrative is BS by her specifically saying that this is happening because Trump lost the election and specifically saying they are targeting specific states that are swing states.

If voter fraud is a problem then why arn't they worried about it in Kansas??

Einstein, if voter ID's are not a requirement, how would anyone know if someone voted two or more times? Where ballot harvesting is legal, how do we know all the votes were submitted and none were tampered with?

But you already know that and that is why the left always asks for proof.
Accurate Voter Roles might be a start....one helluva lot safer and more accurate than some "Voter ID"...
 
Einstein, if voter ID's are not a requirement, how would anyone know if someone voted two or more times? Where ballot harvesting is legal, how do we know all the votes were submitted and none were tampered with?

But you already know that and that is why the left always asks for proof.
Accurate Voter's roles, abby....just like we have in Iowa. How does a voter's ID stop voter fraud? It doesn't.....It's all in accurate voter registration roles.....JUST LIKE WE ALREADY HAVE IN IOWA. Let the professionals who run elections run elections....If you want oversight, I am all for it. If you charge "voter fraud" PROVE it. For the life of me, the changes in Iowa's voters laws do nothing to make elections more secure....they will inhibit some voter's from voting however......So which is the greatest sin/evil here? The perception of a "safer" election....or the intimidation of restricting a potential legal voter from participation?
If my wife/husband/child is infirmed and unable to cast a ballot in person....why should I not be allowed to mail in or drop off their ballot in person?
But a "voter ID" will do nothing to make sure the election has more integrity.
 
Einstein, if voter ID's are not a requirement, how would anyone know if someone voted two or more times?

LOLWUT?

You literally sign-in at your voting precinct to vote. You think they ain't gonna catch it if you get right back in line and try again?
 
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I have quoted you chapter and verse from the actual law that proves you wrong.

No; it does not. It gives the legislature the power to "decide" what is a violation, and to replace people for it. With their own people. When you put partisans in charge of these decisions, with no balanced safety net, it will be abused.

Just like Trump tried to get them to replace election officials and "find me 12,000 votes".

MTM and Matt Gaetz would totally do that.
 
No; it does not. It gives the legislature the power to "decide" what is a violation, and to replace people for it. With their own people. When you put partisans in charge of these decisions, with no balanced safety net, it will be abused.

Just like Trump tried to get them to replace election officials and "find me 12,000 votes".

MTM and Matt Gaetz would totally do that.
Again, you are wrong. The legislature, which consists of over 200 people by the way, doesn’t get to trump up charges and remove people and replace them with lackeys. You think Republicans are conspiracy nuts?

The State Election Board, which consists of some members appointed by each chamber of the legislature, some members appointed by each political party and the Secretary of State, have to agree to remove election officials under the parameters already provided to you. It’s a fair system.

Do you know who the election officials are now? Lackeys appointed by the political parties. You should be against that but in counties like Fulton and DeKalb it’s A-OK for some reason.

You don’t know what you are talking about. Your crazy theories make no sense.
 
Again, you are wrong. The legislature, which consists of over 200 people by the way, doesn’t get to trump up charges and remove people and replace them with lackeys.
This is PRECISELY what was attempted, and shut down by career officials.

Now, move those career officials out of the equation.

You're literally watching a "fake audit" in Arizona, which is being conducted by partisans. Do you honestly think that "audit" is going to show what the internal county ones already proved? Be honest here.
 
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This is PRECISELY what was attempted, and shut down by career officials.

Now, move those career officials out of the equation.

You're literally watching a "fake audit" in Arizona, which is being conducted by partisans. Do you honestly think that "audit" is going to show what the internal county ones already proved? Be honest here.
I don’t know much about the Arizona audit.

I live in Georgia and am more familiar with our law. I quoted you the exact circumstances where someone can be removed from serving as a local election official. It’s fair and transparent. This law has been gaslighted like nothing I can recall. It’s sad for those of us that actually want a sane and functioning government.
 
Yes. It does. Because GA law is putting the law in the hands of partisan entities, not apolitical civil servants. That's.The.Point
You have it exactly backwards in regards to GA. First of all LOL at apolitical civil servants. In some of these deep Blue and deep Red areas partisans fill the ranks. Now there is a check on local election officials that have acted without oversight from elected representatives. Seems like a good idea.

The law is now in the hands of the state elections board which is bipartisan. You need to study up on the GA law because you have it wrong.
 
No. I do not. They literally altered the law to put the legislature fully overseeing things.
Well, yes. The legislature, who represent the citizens, should have oversight. If the people’s representatives don’t have oversight then I don’t know who you think ought to. Maybe these apolitical civil servants that you believe are selflessly serving their communities without a hint of partisan bias?

But in this thread you said that the legislature, which consists of over 200 elected Democrats and Republicans, can 1)Remove any election official they want to and replace them with a lackey 2)Make up the criteria on the fly by which the legislature can remove local election officials and 3)Conduct bogus audits like you believe is happening in Arizona which is somehow related to Georgia. None of that is true.

You have officially worn me out, I must say.
 
Well, yes. The legislature, who represent the citizens, should have oversight.

No. Again: the party IN CONTROL ends up with the "oversight", which is what is going on in AZ now, and it is a clown-show.

Oversight should be conducted by impartial parties, with both of the political parties having representatives. Not simply by whichever party controls the legislature.
 
Well, yes. The legislature, who represent the citizens, should have oversight. If the people’s representatives don’t have oversight then I don’t know who you think ought to. Maybe these apolitical civil servants that you believe are selflessly serving their communities without a hint of partisan bias?

But in this thread you said that the legislature, which consists of over 200 elected Democrats and Republicans, can 1)Remove any election official they want to and replace them with a lackey 2)Make up the criteria on the fly by which the legislature can remove local election officials and 3)Conduct bogus audits like you believe is happening in Arizona which is somehow related to Georgia. None of that is true.

You have officially worn me out, I must say.
But it's not the legislature. It's specifically one of the political parties in control of the legislature. This is the part that gets lost. It's not just the voter suppression, it's that Republican controlled legislatures have set things up so that THEY can commit election fraud.

Like good authoritarians everywhere, claim non-existent election fraud is occurring so that they can set things up to actually do it themselves.

Always projecting.
 
No. Again: the party IN CONTROL ends up with the "oversight", which is what is going on in AZ now, and it is a clown-show.

Oversight should be conducted by impartial parties, with both of the political parties having representatives. Not simply by whichever party controls the legislature.
Which is why the direct oversight is by the state election board. The legislature appoints some people in this board, both parties do, and the Secretary of State who is elected. Seems like a good body to have direct oversight.
 
LOLWUT?

You literally sign-in at your voting precinct to vote. You think they ain't gonna catch it if you get right back in line and try again?
Who said you have to vote at the same location twice or even use the same name if ID's aren't required? You go around to different voting locations and vote under various names, that's the point, but keep making ridiculous comments to prove your goal is actually making it easy to commit fraud.
 
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