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Hillary caught in a HUGE lie………..again.

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"There were no classified e-mails on my private server."

Oops. Yes there were. Out of a random 40 e-mails pulled (out of thousands), four were classified and two were classified "Top Secret/SCI/NOFORN"

The normal human being, would be brought up on charges and put in federal prison. General Petraeus had "Confidential" schedules in his desk at home and was charged and convicted of a crime.

This is FAAAARRRR worse then what General P. did., FAR worse.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-from-home-server-official-says/?intcmp=hpbt1


Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton announced Tuesday that she had directed her aides to turn over her personal e-mail server to the Justice Department, giving in to months of demands that she relinquish the device she used to store her correspondence while secretary of state.

The move came hours after it was disclosed that the inspector general for the intelligence community, I. Charles McCullough III, had notified senior members of Congress that two of four retroactively classified emails found on Clinton's server contained material deemed to be more sensitive than had previously been thought.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, said two emails that traversed Clinton's personal system were deemed "Top Secret, Sensitive Compartmented Information" — a rating that is among the government's highest classifications. Grassley said McCullough had reported the new details about the higher classification to Congress on Tuesday.

The State Department disputes McCullough's determination that the emails were classified at the time they were sent. McCullough had previously told Congress that potentially hundreds of classified emails are among the cache that Clinton provided to the State Department.

"Department employees circulated these emails on unclassified systems in 2009 and 2011 and ultimately some were forwarded to Secretary Clinton," said State Department spokesman John Kirby. "They were not marked as classified."

A source familiar with the investigation told Fox News late Tuesday that the two emails in question contained operational and geospatial intelligence from the CIA and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA), which produces satellite images.

The FBI is investigating whether classified information was improperly sent via and stored on the so-called "home-brew" e-mail server she ran from her house in the New York City suburb of Chappaqua after concerns were raised by McCullough. Investigators have said that the probe is not criminal in nature and have denied that Clinton is a target of their inquiries.

Clinton campaign spokesman Nick Merrill said she has "pledged to cooperate with the government's security inquiry, and if there are more questions, we will continue to address them."

It's not clear if the device will yield any information — Clinton's attorney said in March that no emails from the main personal address she used while secretary of state still "reside on the server or on back-up systems associated with the server."

An intelligence source familiar with the matter told Fox News that the campaign's statement of cooperation was overblown, as the FBI had previously taken possession of a thumb drive containing sensitive emails that had been held by Clinton's personal attorney, David Kendall. The Associated Press reported that Kendall gave three thumb drives containing copies of roughly 30,000 work-related emails sent to and from Clinton's personal email address to the FBI after the agency determined he could not remain in possession of the classified information contained in some of the emails.

The AP's report cited a U.S. official briefed on the matter who was not authorized to speak publicly. The State Department previously had said it was comfortable with Kendall keeping the emails at his Washington law office.

Clinton had to this point refused demands from Republican critics to turn over the server to a third party, with Kendall telling the House committee investigating the 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya, that "there is no basis to support the proposed third-party review of the server." Clinton has also defended her use of the server, saying she used it as a matter of convenience to limit the number of electronic devices she had to carry.

Congressional Republicans seized on Clinton's reversal late Tuesday.

"It's about time," House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio said in a statement. "Secretary Clinton's previous statements that she possessed no classified information were patently untrue. Her mishandling of classified information must be fully investigated."

"Secretary Clinton said she created this unusual email arrangement with herself for 'convenience.' It may have been convenient for her, but it has been troubling at multiple levels for the rest of the country," said Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., the chairman of the Benghazi select committee. "Secretary Clinton's decision to prioritize her own convenience - and desire for control - over the security of our country's intelligence should concern all people of good conscience."

There is no evidence Clinton used encryption to shield the emails or her personal server from foreign intelligence services or other potentially prying eyes. Kendall has said that Clinton is "actively cooperating" with the FBI inquiry.

In March, Clinton said she exchanged about 60,000 emails in her four years in the Obama administration, about half of which were personal and were discarded. She turned over the other half to the State Department in last December.

The department is reviewing those emails and has begun the process of releasing them to the public.

"As she has said, it is her hope that State and the other agencies involved in the review process will sort out as quickly as possible which emails are appropriate to release to the public, and that the release will be as timely and transparent as possible," Merrill said Tuesday.

Earlier this week, Clinton said in a sworn statement submitted to a federal judge that she has turned over to the State Department all emails from the server "that were or potentially were federal records." The statement, which carries her signature and was signed under penalty of perjury, echoed months of Clinton's past public statements about the matter.
 
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In other breaking news, water is wet.

Look, even for a politician Hillary is slimy. I just don't think it matters. The people who are going to vote for Hillary are going to regardless at this point.

I think she could go on TV tomorrow and admit to feeding live babies to Cecil the Lions pride and none of her followers would care. Sheep do what sheep do.
 
Not a Hillary fan but so far don't think so far they have found anything that was actually classified when it was originally on her server. They changed the status of these documents later. And if the Pentagon can get hacked like it has, it is hard to be too critical of Hillary though she certainly should have known better than to use a private server.
 
Not a Hillary fan but so far don't think so far they have found anything that was actually classified when it was originally on her server. They changed the status of these documents later. And if the Pentagon can get hacked like it has, it is hard to be too critical of Hillary though she certainly should have known better than to use a private server.

It's classified now, which is still a problem. Is the server secured with this "now" classified info?
 
In other breaking news, water is wet.

Look, even for a politician Hillary is slimy. I just don't think it matters. The people who are going to vote for Hillary are going to regardless at this point.

I think she could go on TV tomorrow and admit to feeding live babies to Cecil the Lions pride and none of her followers would care. Sheep do what sheep do.

You are correct, her base does not care and never will. However, this is a little different now. As stated in the last paragraph she has signed a statement to a federal judge under penalty of perjury that "all" relevant emails have been turned over to the State Department and that she has no copies. Now the Feds have access to the server. If they pull up copies of those emails, or find additional emails that she "forgot" about, then she is now guilty of perjury, and since it is now under the umbrella of a justice department investigation, she could also be brought up on additional charges. So this is a much bigger deal now.

I guarantee you that if she knew last week when she signed that sworn statement that she was going to be forced to turn over her server this week, she never would have signed it. She has lied her whole way through this and now she has been backed into a corner where the die has been cast. She is basically screwed.
 
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Due to the nature of the emails in question, it's hard to believe they weren't classified at the time she got them. Apparently some sort of CIA satellite imagery, which was not released to foreigners. Not to mention, how was Hillary supposed to do her job if she wasn't getting classified emails. She was the Secretary of State.
 
I just saw an interesting poll on CNN where the question was basically: Is Hillary trustworthy? Results were predictable, but I was surprised at the chasm between independent and democrat responses:

No, Hillary is not trustworthy:
Republican: 68% (seems low for republicans actually)
Independent: 41%
Democrat: 8%

Wow, 8% I thought. How can only 8% of democrats think she's lying. It seems like at least 15-20% would see something fishy here. Especially when independents are at 41%. This drives home the point that many will vote for her regardless of how dishonest she's proven to be.

I do question the validity of the poll. 8% seems way too low for any poll asking about the honesty of a politician. But it was CNN, not FoxNews.

Personally, I think she made honest mistakes and hasn't been quick enough to come clean, and now it's too late to.
 
This will be interesting. Petraeus and Scooter Libby were convicted for much less than this. Then again this administration has an innate ability to bury scandals referred to the Justice Department. This will really show what the relationship between Obama and the Clintons really is. If he hangs her out to dry, and he can, this will be proof positive that the Obamas and the Clintons are at odds.

If I may add my own personal take on this based on my own experience with classified material. I was in the Navy from 89-93 and worked in military intelligence. Our most coveted secrets were classified Top Secret/SCI because they reveal the sources of classified information. The actual information itself is generally classified as much lower than TS/SCI because the most important aspect of obtaining classified information is the source. Once the source is revealed generally speaking it is dead.

In essence, revealing the source of classified information permanently shuts down that avenue of obtaining the information. Imagine if you will, that the Brits had revealed to the Germans that they had cracked the Enigma code what would the Germans have done? The answer is simple, they would have changed their way of communicating and the allied intelligence agencies would have had to start over trying to crack the German codes.

This would obviously be bad which is why sources of information are given the highest classification which is TS/SCI which is the stuff that Hilary had on her personal server. If anyone I served with would have done this they would have gotten a trip to Leavenworth where they would have whiled the day away turning big rocks into small rocks.
 
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Not a Hillary fan but so far don't think so far they have found anything that was actually classified when it was originally on her server. They changed the status of these documents later. And if the Pentagon can get hacked like it has, it is hard to be too critical of Hillary though she certainly should have known better than to use a private server.


What? Are you serious Clark?
 
So, we are supposed to believe that the Secretary of State never sent or received any classified information over email in the entire 4 year period she was in office...? Was it all delivered in hard copy via pony express? Give me a break....
 
In other breaking news, water is wet.

Look, even for a politician Hillary is slimy. I just don't think it matters. The people who are going to vote for Hillary are going to regardless at this point.

I think she could go on TV tomorrow and admit to feeding live babies to Cecil the Lions pride and none of her followers would care. Sheep do what sheep do.
Sad but true there are a lot of lemmings out there!!
 
I just saw an interesting poll on CNN where the question was basically: Is Hillary trustworthy? Results were predictable, but I was surprised at the chasm between independent and democrat responses:

No, Hillary is not trustworthy:
Republican: 68% (seems low for republicans actually)
Independent: 41%
Democrat: 8%

Wow, 8% I thought. How can only 8% of democrats think she's lying. It seems like at least 15-20% would see something fishy here. Especially when independents are at 41%. This drives home the point that many will vote for her regardless of how dishonest she's proven to be.

I do question the validity of the poll. 8% seems way too low for any poll asking about the honesty of a politician. But it was CNN, not FoxNews.

Personally, I think she made honest mistakes and hasn't been quick enough to come clean, and now it's too late to.
I generaly avoid these political discussions, but I have to disagree on your last statement. If you are at the level of being Secretary of State, understanding that you shouldn't build a private email server and put confidential (whether classified at the time or not) information on it isn't an honest mistake. If it is, you probably shouldn't be in that position.
 
Not a Hillary fan but so far don't think so far they have found anything that was actually classified when it was originally on her server. They changed the status of these documents later. And if the Pentagon can get hacked like it has, it is hard to be too critical of Hillary though she certainly should have known better than to use a private server.
And the dish ran away with the spoon........
 
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But at least the secret server was very secure -

On Tuesday, she said that was the right thing to do. “The system… had numerous safeguards,” she said. “It was on property guarded by the Secret Service and there were no security breaches. So I think that the use of that server… certainly proved to be effective and secure.”

Would be funny if it wasn't so sad...
 
Someone explain to me why she would have these official emails on her private server in the first place? Why would she use a personal email address for her correspondence? Why would her emails not be encrypted? Are things really this lax at the State Department and other agencies. Regardless whether she did anything illegal, isn't this really concerning? Should we not be looking into ALL Govt officials to see what they are doing with their official emails?
 
But at least the secret server was very secure -

On Tuesday, she said that was the right thing to do. “The system… had numerous safeguards,” she said. “It was on property guarded by the Secret Service and there were no security breaches. So I think that the use of that server… certainly proved to be effective and secure.”

Would be funny if it wasn't so sad...


And John "Herman Munster" Kerry just admitted that China and Russia have probably hacked his State Department e-mail and server. The guy that installed/took care of Hillary's home-brew server had no security experience. Her e-mails weren't even encrypted.

She should be in prison. End of story. PERIOD.
 
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Someone explain to me why she would have these official emails on her private server in the first place? Why would she use a personal email address for her correspondence? Why would her emails not be encrypted? Are things really this lax at the State Department and other agencies. Regardless whether she did anything illegal, isn't this really concerning? Should we not be looking into ALL Govt officials to see what they are doing with their official emails?


What she did was HIGHLY illegal. Dealing with classified information is a freaking scary thing. At least it was to me when I dealt with it for 10 years. I was the SCI/Classified Publications Custodian on both of my ships in the navy. I was responsible for HUNDREDS of classified documents to include the same classifications that Hillary had in her possession. TS/SCI.

The paperwork you have to sign in order to handle such information makes it VERY clear of the consequences of losing/selling/improper storage of such information.

She cannot divulge any of it for LIFE under penalty of law.
 
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What she did was HIGHLY illegal. Dealing with classified information is a freaking scary thing. At least it was to me when I dealt with it for 10 years. I was the SCI/Classified Publications Custodian on both of my ships in the navy. I was responsible for HUNDREDS of classified documents to include the same classifications that Hillary had in her possession. TS/SCI.

The paperwork you have to sign in order to handle such information makes it VERY clear of the consequences of losing/selling/improper storage of such information.

She cannot divulge any of it for LIFE under penalty of law.
Is there any way to FORCE the AG to indict her? What is keeping her from being charged, just the fact that the Dems are in charge?
 
Is there any way to FORCE the AG to indict her? What is keeping her from being charged, just the fact that the Dems are in charge?

There's still a lot of investigating to do. It's possible it will get much worse for her.
 
Not a Hillary fan but so far don't think so far they have found anything that was actually classified when it was originally on her server. They changed the status of these documents later. And if the Pentagon can get hacked like it has, it is hard to be too critical of Hillary though she certainly should have known better than to use a private server.

She KNEW better and still did it. I wonder how much she paid her tech to scrub that thing the best he\she could? It shouldn't take that long to hand over a server, only leads to more speculation.
 
Lack of evidence of any crime for one thing.
What are you talking about? We know with certainty she had State Dept emails on a private server using a personal email account. I understand that to be highly illegal. Am I wrong?
 
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Lack of evidence of any crime for one thing.
So when she was told by her job description that no
What she did was HIGHLY illegal. Dealing with classified information is a freaking scary thing. At least it was to me when I dealt with it for 10 years. I was the SCI/Classified Publications Custodian on both of my ships in the navy. I was responsible for HUNDREDS of classified documents to include the same classifications that Hillary had in her possession. TS/SCI.

The paperwork you have to sign in order to handle such information makes it VERY clear of the consequences of losing/selling/improper storage of such information.

She cannot divulge any of it for LIFE under penalty of law.

Although some former secretaries of state occasionally used personal emails for official business, Clinton is the only one who never once used an @state.gov email address in the era of email. Some have questioned whether that practice violated rules regulating email use, transparency, records management or security.


There was not an explicit, categorical prohibition against federal employees using personal emails when Clinton was in office, said Daniel Metcalfe, former director of the Department of Justice’s Office of Information Policy, where he administered implementation of the Freedom of Information Act. High-level officials like Clinton need the flexibility to sometimes use a personal email, such as responding to a national security emergency in the middle of the night.

So it seems she didn’t break a rule simply by using a personal email to conduct business. Rather, by using personal emails exclusively, she skirted the rules governing federal records management, Cox said.

A federal record is any documentary material, regardless of physical form, made or received by a government agency, according to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), which oversees federal recordkeeping. Records are preserved as evidence of the agencies’ activities, decisions and procedures. Each agency is responsible for maintaining its records in accordance with regulations.

It would have been a violation of the NARA's rules in the Code of Federal Regulations for Clinton to use personal email exclusively, Metcalfe said. The code requires federal agencies to make and preserve records that duly document agency activity, so that they are readily available when needed -- such as for FOIA requests or congressional inquiries. Using personal email exclusively is contrary to proper record preservation.

"Anyone at NARA would have said you can’t use a personal email account for all of your official business," said Metcalfe, who held his position in part during former President Bill Clinton’s administration
 
"Anyone at NARA would have said you can’t use a personal email account for all of your official business," said Metcalfe, who held his position in part during former President Bill Clinton’s administration[/QUOTE]
So was this illegal?
 
I generaly avoid these political discussions, but I have to disagree on your last statement. If you are at the level of being Secretary of State, understanding that you shouldn't build a private email server and put confidential (whether classified at the time or not) information on it isn't an honest mistake. If it is, you probably shouldn't be in that position.
Fair point FranklinHawk. I'm allowed to make an honest mistake like that, a Secretary of State most certainly should not.
 
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"Anyone at NARA would have said you can’t use a personal email account for all of your official business," said Metcalfe, who held his position in part during former President Bill Clinton’s administration
So was this illegal?[/QUOTE]

During Clinton's news conference, she was asked if she was aware of the security implications of using her own email. Clinton answered this way:

"I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email. There is no classified material. So I'm certainly well-aware of the classification requirements and did not send classified material."

What's remarkable about that answer is that she wasn't asked in the preceding question specifically about classified emails, but offered that answer anyway. There's a reason for that. It would be illegal for anyone to store classified information in an unauthorized way, like, say, on an unauthorized personal email server.

The bottom line is this: No one will likely ever know what was deleted from Clinton's server. Barring one of the 30,000 emails Clinton turned over to the State Department being deemed "classified," it's also unlikely she will ever be found to have violated the letter of the law.
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I would ascertain that since there have been "classified" emails found on her server, that Hillary has committed illegal acts. Yet the Clinton's are slimy enough to slide by... much like Bill did with his focus on what the meaning of the word "is" is during his Monica hearings.
 
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What are you talking about? We know with certainty she had State Dept emails on a private server using a personal email account. I understand that to be highly illegal. Am I wrong?

You seriously going to argue with Ciggy about this? Prepare to be cut and pasted.
 
She's toast. No chance the DNC lets Bernie win the nomination, so how soon before Crazy Uncle Joe gets into the race?
 
Not a Hillary fan but 1. so far don't think so far they have found anything that was actually classified when it was originally on her server. They changed the status of these documents later. 2. And if the Pentagon can get hacked like it has, it is hard to be too critical of Hillary though she certainly should have known better than to use a private server.

1. Irrelevant. If she is going to store govt docs on her private server then she needs to keep up on their changing classifications.

2. Irrelevant

Time for Hillary to get sent up the river.
 
I am not arguing. I am asking questions because I am trying to understand this.

There are quite a few different elements here but the one Hillary now needs to be extremely worried about are these emails that are being classified as top secret, or "SCI" level security clearance. If she was involved in the transfer of even one of these emails on a non-encrypted server, then she is in some major trouble. That is a felony. If there are multiple emails then it even gets worse. That's venturing into David Petraeus territory. He only supplied his personal calendar to the gal that wrote his auto biography. It had very low level security information which was dated and no longer very relevant and he ultimately had to plea out of serving jail time by agreeing to two years probation and a $100,000 fine. The information he was accused of compromising is peanuts compared to what Hillary possible exposed.

Everyone knows that Bill and Hillary are pathological liars. They simply don't operate on the same moral compass as the majority of humans. Some people could care less about that which to each their own. However, her handling of these emails brings up serious questions about her professional competence. If a non-political career federal employee did what Hillary did, they would be fired, permanently banned from any future federal employment and would do some jail time.

On the political front, she now no longer controls the story and the release of information. This is in the hands of a federal judge and the FBI.
 
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