Whether you did or didn't isn't relevant. The point was how important those transfers were and the same is absolutely true of Mesenbrink and Kerkvliet. As I said before, there absolutely is NO wordsmithery that diminishes their being transfers. In fact, my entire point is they are MORE important transfers than the "stop gap" transfers you are trying to twist into being the only transfer category...I never diminished Brands for the VT transfers. He recruited those guys. Same as Cael did when he left ISU.