If a building is saved but never used is it really saved?
Letter to the editor: Is it worth saving an unsellable building?
Letter to the editor: Is it worth saving an unsellable building?
Home of Pagliai’s Pizza, Is it worth saving an unsellable building?
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What possible historic value does this building have? A special breed of cockroach reside there?
They import the water in from Flint Michigan to make those wonderful pies.
I'm a history buff, but this building holds no historic value.
The historical value of that building, is that it is the long time home of Pagliai’s.
The price was set knowing the owners of the restaurant cannot meet it. I do not know if a Pagliai ever owned it, or if it was always rented. I assume @jamesvanderwulf poured the foundation and maybe he knows?
There was an ownership change a few years ago, and the son of the couple that ran it for a long time bought it. His lease runs out in 3-4 years, at which time he'll be booted, and the building will be demolished and some garish monstrosity will go up in its place.
There was an ownership change a few years ago, and the son of the couple that ran it for a long time bought it. His lease runs out in 3-4 years, at which time he'll be booted, and the building will be demolished and some garish monstrosity will go up in its place.
So what, should be make the first Jared Fogle Subway store a historic building?
If the owners don't want it on historic registry, that should be the end of it
Cool, then we can all live in strip mall suburbs like Ankeny.
I poured the foundation for Sam's Pizza which is > than Pagliai's and Papa John's which is also > than Pagliai's...
I appreciate Sam's, it's a fine pizza. Papa John's is for philistines and fans of mediocre baseball teams.
Don't you blaspheme in here.......
The nephew bought the pizza business. His family had an Italian restaurant in central Iowa for decades.
Here's how this plays out -
1) Historic designation
2) Preservationists celebrate at whatever wine and cheese bar exists in Iowa City now, they tell each other how important they are
2) Property becomes unsellable
3) Property becomes unstable
4) Scaffolding and bracing goes up to keep it from falling over
5) A half dozen plans over the course of 10 years pop up for it. It becomes a rallying cry for neighbors because THIS TIME the developer is serious. Trust me, totally serious; there are some really cool visionary plans.
6) Building literally starts falling down
7) City condemns it, orders demolition
8) You get the exact same apartment building in 2040 that you could have in 2025
1) Historic designation
2) Preservationists celebrate at whatever wine and cheese bar exists in Iowa City now, they tell each other how important they are
2) Property becomes unsellable
3) Property becomes unstable
4) Scaffolding and bracing goes up to keep it from falling over
5) A half dozen plans over the course of 10 years pop up for it. It becomes a rallying cry for neighbors because THIS TIME the developer is serious. Trust me, totally serious; there are some really cool visionary plans.
6) Building literally starts falling down
7) City condemns it, orders demolition
8) You get the exact same apartment building in 2040 that you could have in 2025
My favorite pizza ever was fitzy’s Chicago style circa early/mid 90s. Slice of heaven in the biergarten with a wheat beer.
I lived in Iowa City for five years and never had Pagliai's. Feels good to get that off my chest.
Here in Arlington, I once lived in a preservation zone with a bunch of sears kit houses and neighbors who were among the most miserable sob's you could imagine and would try to stop anything - even necessary things - from being done to any property. One neighbor fixed their wagon -- when she couldn't get permission for a project, she painted the whole house the most gaudy shade of bright yellow-orange you can possible imagine. Because they couldn't regulate paint colors.
These days, "historic preservation" has been the new thing to be invoked to prevent residential development (or at least, any form of residential development which is not the county's preferred form of residential development, ie, dense mixed use retail/residential apartment high rises with now-empty first floor businesses that can only be afforded by banal, but well capitalized, chains). One of the more ridiculous (and ultimately, failed) attempts was to suggest that a relatively large property with the falling-down "Fabrey Lothrop" house be preserved because, among other things, Honeymooners actress Audrey Meadows had once lived there for a brief period of its 70 or so years of existence. Ultimately, they couldn't slow it down with local zoning procedures, and the owner immediately brought in the dozers. Now, in the most recent legislative session in Richmond, they've just passed a law that would mandate a 30-day 'cooling off' period after permits before work could begin, which is another way of saying, a 30 day window for neighbors and other numb-nuts to file litigation to delay it more than 30 days.
These days, "historic preservation" has been the new thing to be invoked to prevent residential development (or at least, any form of residential development which is not the county's preferred form of residential development, ie, dense mixed use retail/residential apartment high rises with now-empty first floor businesses that can only be afforded by banal, but well capitalized, chains). One of the more ridiculous (and ultimately, failed) attempts was to suggest that a relatively large property with the falling-down "Fabrey Lothrop" house be preserved because, among other things, Honeymooners actress Audrey Meadows had once lived there for a brief period of its 70 or so years of existence. Ultimately, they couldn't slow it down with local zoning procedures, and the owner immediately brought in the dozers. Now, in the most recent legislative session in Richmond, they've just passed a law that would mandate a 30-day 'cooling off' period after permits before work could begin, which is another way of saying, a 30 day window for neighbors and other numb-nuts to file litigation to delay it more than 30 days.
I am in Iowa City 7-8 times a year.
Pagalias has significantly dropped off since my college days in Iowa City. It could shut down and gutted and I wouldn’t shed a tear.
Sams has also dropped off.
The Wig and Pen is the only one that is consistent. But pricey.
The Airliner had good pizza at one point but haven’t been in years.
Pagalias has significantly dropped off since my college days in Iowa City. It could shut down and gutted and I wouldn’t shed a tear.
Sams has also dropped off.
The Wig and Pen is the only one that is consistent. But pricey.
The Airliner had good pizza at one point but haven’t been in years.
I think the liner pizza is pretty tasty. Wig and Pen is better, but we have one in Ankeny so when we are in town it is not a draw for me.
Torbee posted this in the other thread:
ouriowaheritage.com
What relevance does that have to whether this is a contributing structure to a designated historic district?
The Paglia’s building has tremendous history and is integral to the character of Iowa City’s historic North End neighborhood.
In the 1870s, the building was home to a dance hall, a hotel, a grocery store, a saloon, and a Bohemian restaurant. The Slezak’s were of Bohemian descent, and the building served as a major cultural center for the Bohemian community in Iowa City, according to Our Iowa Heritage.
Pagliai’s Pizza has operated the building since 1957, and the building also currently houses several apartment units and a laundromat.
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What relevance does that have to whether this is a contributing structure to a designated historic district?
The Paglia’s building has tremendous history and is integral to the character of Iowa City’s historic North End neighborhood.
In the 1870s, the building was home to a dance hall, a hotel, a grocery store, a saloon, and a Bohemian restaurant. The Slezak’s were of Bohemian descent, and the building served as a major cultural center for the Bohemian community in Iowa City, according to Our Iowa Heritage.
Pagliai’s Pizza has operated the building since 1957, and the building also currently houses several apartment units and a laundromat.
Iowa City considering Pagliai's Pizza building as historic landmark, but landlord objects
The home of a local pizza icon is being considered for historic landmark designation despite the building owner's pleas to abandon the campaign. The Iowa City City Council on Tuesday, April 2 chose to consult with the Planning and Zoning Commission before adding a historic preservation overlay...
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I do enjoy the TIF financed empty retail on the first floor, high end residential units above. Giving the developer the option to not have the required affordable housing component as long as they bribe—sorry, make a contribution to the cities affordable housing fund because they all believe in affordable housing as long as it’s not in their back yard. Solid plan, lump the ‘affordable’ housing in the same areas. What could possibly go wrong
