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Musk Claims of Saving 8 Billion Turn Out To Be 5.5 Million

Yes, please tell me EXACTLY what you have an issue with. That is NOT what libtards are crying about. They are crying about DOGE is illegal, Elon is accessing PII, they are teenagers working, blah, blah, blah. Now you're moving the goalpost to "evidence based". What exactly is that and what exactly are they "selling" that you don't like? Be specific.
I am not moving the goal post at all. I want auditing to be evidence based. I want conflicts of interest to be considered. I do not want proclamations of billions of dollars in savings that are false. I don't want inaccurate, unprofessional auditing that is wrong. Why don't you want the truth? I know you are all edgy and stuff cause you use the word retard, but don't you want actual truth that leads to real reductions in waste? Or is this all just a show for you? Could there be additional concerns about private data going out, the legality of DOGE as a part of our government, etc. Sure, but those are in addition to the concerns I expressed.
 
Clinton Foundation has NEVER been criminally charged w/ any fraud.

Trump Foundation was DISSOLVED, and he and ALL of his kids are barred from operating ANY charity in NYS for the rest of this decade.
Yay?! Are you flexing that Trump can't do something in NY after all the lawfare there? Go DK JOE!
 

DOGE Claimed It Saved $8 Billion in One Contract. It Was Actually $8 Million.​

The biggest single line item on the website of Elon Musk’s cost-cutting team appears to include an error.

Musk is covered. He’s already said that mistakes will be made because they are moving fast. They'll clean it up later. After everyone has that much larger totally fictitious number in their heads.

I'm still trying to figure out what make and model vehicle will hold $1 billion. That minister of propaganda is really earning his money.
 
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Yay?! Are you flexing that Trump can't do something in NY

You've posted that the CF was corrupt.
There are no criminal charges or evidence supporting that.

Trump's Foundation WAS corrupt, was dissolved by a judge, and his entire family is BANNED from running a charity again, for another decade.

Your Double-Standard here is impressive.
 
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I am not moving the goal post at all. I want auditing to be evidence based. I want conflicts of interest to be considered. I do not want proclamations of billions of dollars in savings that are false. I don't want inaccurate, unprofessional auditing that is wrong. Why don't you want the truth? I know you are all edgy and stuff cause you use the word retard, but don't you want actual truth that leads to real reductions in waste? Or is this all just a show for you? Could there be additional concerns about private data going out, the legality of DOGE as a part of our government, etc. Sure, but those are in addition to the concerns I expressed.
Still haven't seen any explanation here from you at all. What do you mean by evidence based. Be specific. What proclamations, other than this error, have been false of savings? How do you know it's unprofessional auditing? What exactly are you talking about? What is illegal about DOGE? Be specific. What exactly are you concerned about private data being accessed by agency employees?

How about you start being specific with your arguments along with the rest of the libtards on here? Let's see exactly what you're bitching about and if you're misinformed or not. How about you start there because right now you're just sweeping with a broad brush.
 
Fraudulently redistributed like trump charging the secret service to stay at his resorts when he wants to take another golfing trip?
I get it you sheep Dems hate Trump...but now you don't want the secret service to protect our president? That is part of every presidency...what's not part of every presidency is his brother and kids and other family members picking up cash around the world for the benefit of their total family...and sending billions of dollars to Ukraine while sending $750 to American citizens in NC and CA. Honestly, are some of you even American patriots?
 
You've posted that the CF was corrupt.
There are no criminal charges or evidence supporting that.

Trump's Foundation WAS corrupt, was dissolved by a judge, and his entire family is BANNED from running a charity again, for another decade.

Your Double-Standard here is impressive.
I gave the case against CF dipshit. And the Trump foundation wasn't a CRIMINAL case, bonehead. You probably still believe Mar-a-Lago is worth 19M too, don't you?! You ALWAYS suck at arguing because you're an idiot.
 
what's not part of every presidency is his brother and kids and other family members picking up cash around the world for the benefit of their total family
Jared Kushner left the previous administration with 2 billion dollars from the Saudis.

 
Still haven't seen any explanation here from you at all. What do you mean by evidence based. Be specific. What proclamations, other than this error, have been false of savings? How do you know it's unprofessional auditing? What exactly are you talking about? What is illegal about DOGE? Be specific. What exactly are you concerned about private data being accessed by agency employees?

How about you start being specific with your arguments along with the rest of the libtards on here? Let's see exactly what you're bitching about and if you're misinformed or not. How about you start there because right now you're just sweeping with a broad b
Professional auditing that uses standards from the industry would not allow for the false claims they made about the $8 billion or the number of people getting SS checks. Using evidence would have meant they would go beyond whatever that initial finding was and supported the claim with evidence. Is that specific enough for you? Any firm or person that had done that outside of this DOGE group would be fired and probably sued.

I haven't talked about DOGE being illegal. Is that possible? For sure, but it's not my major concern here. I love the idea of better oversight that drives out waste and fraud. DOGE could still possibly do that, but they are not acting in a way that would best accomplish that. People who have expertise in auditing were immediately calling out the risks of the DOGE approach. It was called out for a good reason. Just going in to anything, running a few data checks and then proclaiming massive victories is probably not going to work.

Why am I concerned about private data being accessed by "agency employees'? I am assuming you mean the DOGE employees? Well, I again didn't base my biggest concerns on that, but the main reason is there are zero standards for hiring or vetting those employees. There seems to be zero structure or safe guards around what they are doing. That should have folks a little concerned.

Now please share where I'm misinformed on this. Thanks
 
You posted SCREENCAPS.

Zero evidence.
There's an entire court case and filing on Trump's "Foundation" you can look up.
I posted the LINK to their Twitter account, dipshit. I didn't say look it up. It wasn't a screencap of the CF case. Damn you're stupid.
 
Professional auditing that uses standards from the industry would not allow for the false claims they made about the $8 billion or the number of people getting SS checks. Using evidence would have meant they would go beyond whatever that initial finding was and supported the claim with evidence. Is that specific enough for you? Any firm or person that had done that outside of this DOGE group would be fired and probably sued.

I haven't talked about DOGE being illegal. Is that possible? For sure, but it's not my major concern here. I love the idea of better oversight that drives out waste and fraud. DOGE could still possibly do that, but they are not acting in a way that would best accomplish that. People who have expertise in auditing were immediately calling out the risks of the DOGE approach. It was called out for a good reason. Just going in to anything, running a few data checks and then proclaiming massive victories is probably not going to work.

Why am I concerned about private data being accessed by "agency employees'? I am assuming you mean the DOGE employees? Well, I again didn't base my biggest concerns on that, but the main reason is there are zero standards for hiring or vetting those employees. There seems to be zero structure or safe guards around what they are doing. That should have folks a little concerned.

Now please share where I'm misinformed on this. Thanks
Tell me what professional auditing service uses AI and machine learning to deep dive software systems? None of them. It's not necessary to bring in PWC or Deloitte in to do an audit of the technology. I fundamentally disagree with you. There wasn't a "false" claim. There was an error on the 8 billion. Seriously stop with the bull. You have no idea about the number of people getting SS checks. No one has checked that. Elon's spreadsheet was showing what the SS system had in its database. They haven't tied anything back to that yet. How in world do libtards make this claim at all? You can't, you're misinformed. So, what you're doing is making a conclusion about something that Elon's post didn't say.

How exactly is DOGE not acting in a way that would best accomplish that? Because of the above that you got wrong? Show me people who are experts in auditing saying this? There's not a single "auditor" that knows exactly what these people are doing. That's just incorrect and also misinformed.

They are not DOGE employees, they are agency employees. You're misinformed once again. Where exactly are you getting zero standards and vetting? Because MSM told you?

(c) DOGE Teams. In consultation with USDS, each Agency Head shall establish within their respective Agencies a DOGE Team of at least four employees, which may include Special Government Employees, hired or assigned within thirty days of the date of this Order. Agency Heads shall select the DOGE Team members in consultation with the USDS Administrator. Each DOGE Team will typically include one DOGE Team Lead, one engineer, one human resources specialist, and one attorney. Agency Heads shall ensure that DOGE Team Leads coordinate their work with USDS and advise their respective Agency Heads on implementing the President ‘s DOGE Agenda.
 
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DOGE Claimed It Saved $8 Billion in One Contract. It Was Actually $8 Million.​

The biggest single line item on the website of Elon Musk’s cost-cutting team appears to include an error.


Thia is something an audit firm wound be fired for then be sued. How much other total nonsense (50 million condoms, oh. I can't get everything right) is he pulling out his ass. He does after all have unfettered access to the nation's finance system.

Maybe we don't have to worry. His team may be so incompetent they can't find the start button.

When the dust clears who's going to pick up the pieces this clown and the Orange Turd leaves? The Turd's favorability rating has dropped to 39% and the tariffs haven't reared their evil heads yet. The conservative WSJ is asking if the Orange Turd understand finances. Why did it take 10 years to ask this question. He's and always has been a moron that's been strung along by BKs, celebrity, foreign money, unscrupulous courts, dumb voters, and disreputable Republican party complicity.
 
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It's not necessary to bring in PWC or Deloitte in to do an audit of the technology.

Only, he's not DOING an "audit of the technology".

His AI systems are "Googling" up keywords for any grants or functions that contain the "bad" keywords.
Then, cancelling them, irrespective of what they actually do. Or the people who work in those capacities.


That's the extent of it - not understanding ANY of the government functions. Just getting rid of anything that show up as "woke" per their AI searches.

And they deleted a bunch of OSHA publications that used "woke" terms in them, but those just happened to be used in completely DIFFERENT contexts, having nothing at all to do with "Woke".

They deleted them, anyway, before ANYONE even bothered to check.

EXACTLY how a bunch of nuclear techs and avian flu trackers were fired; then they had to backtrack and are STILL trying to find most of them to re-hire them back.
 
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You LIKE reading propaganda, and pretending it's real, then.
Got it.
Coming from the retard who constantly linked to the site? Nothing propaganda about it dipshit. Unbelievable stupidity.

Only, he's not DOING an "audit of the technology".

His AI systems are "Googling" up keywords for any grants or functions that contain the "bad" keywords.
Then, cancelling them, irrespective of what they actually do. Or the people who work in those capacities.


That's the extent of it - not understanding ANY of the government functions. Just getting rid of anything that show up as "woke" per their AI searches.

And they deleted a bunch of OSHA publications that used "woke" terms in them, but those just happened to be used in completely DIFFERENT contexts, having nothing at all to do with "Woke".

They deleted them, anyway, before ANYONE even bothered to check.

EXACTLY how a bunch of nuclear techs and avian flu trackers were fired; then they had to backtrack and are STILL trying to find most of them to re-hire them back.
This has to be the most retarded thought process anyone has ever witnessed. YOU'RE AN IDIOT!
 
Even if there is evidence of $1 of fraud, as a tax-paying citizen you should be concerned. Yet the Dems sit here and defend your party to no end...and attack the other party wherever you see the opportunity..so you guys can't be taken seriously. How can you not be concerned that your tax money is being redistributed fraudulently? I wonder if you guys do even like the country you live in. You need to own the garbage team you support before you can have any valuable conversation. Keep crying about your loss and not seeing the forest from the trees.
Spends $100,000,000 to find $5,000,000 and lectures us on government waste.
 
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Even if there is evidence of $1 of fraud, as a tax-paying citizen you should be concerned. Yet the Dems sit here and defend your party to no end...and attack the other party wherever you see the opportunity..so you guys can't be taken seriously. How can you not be concerned that your tax money is being redistributed fraudulently? I wonder if you guys do even like the country you live in. You need to own the garbage team you support before you can have any valuable conversation. Keep crying about your loss and not seeing the forest from the trees.

of course there is fraud and waste. However, Trump fired inspectors general and replaced them with big balls. So don’t tell me he’s actually serious about this.
 
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Tell me what professional auditing service uses AI and machine learning to deep dive software systems? None of them. It's not necessary to bring in PWC or Deloitte in to do an audit of the technology. I fundamentally disagree with you. There wasn't a "false" claim. There was an error on the 8 billion. Seriously stop with the bull. You have no idea about the number of people getting SS checks. No one has checked that. Elon's spreadsheet was showing what the SS system had in its database. They haven't tied anything back to that yet. How in world do libtards make this claim at all? You can't, you're misinformed. So, what you're doing is making a conclusion about something that Elon's post didn't say.

How exactly is DOGE not acting in a way that would best accomplish that? Because of the above that you got wrong? Show me people who are experts in auditing saying this? There's not a single "auditor" that knows exactly what these people are doing. That's just incorrect and also misinformed.

They are not DOGE employees, they are agency employees. You're misinformed once again. Where exactly are you getting zero standards and vetting? Because MSM told you?

(c) DOGE Teams. In consultation with USDS, each Agency Head shall establish within their respective Agencies a DOGE Team of at least four employees, which may include Special Government Employees, hired or assigned within thirty days of the date of this Order. Agency Heads shall select the DOGE Team members in consultation with the USDS Administrator. Each DOGE Team will typically include one DOGE Team Lead, one engineer, one human resources specialist, and one attorney. Agency Heads shall ensure that DOGE Team Leads coordinate their work with USDS and advise their respective Agency Heads on implementing the President ‘s DOGE Agenda.
There is so much delusion in your post that I'm sure I will miss addressing some of it.

The Big 4 are using AI/machine learning, but I don't know that's what DOGE did. They did take data and make a wrong claim. They also made a
@Joes Place @praguehawk @cohawk @ThorneStockton

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LMAO!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! LIBTARD TEARS!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Bye, Bye frauds!



Thanks for posting this. It is proof of exactly what I'm talking about. They did NOT confirm what was right or wrong. They did not spend the time to figure out what was actually happening. That is not the way an "audit" should work.

In a different post you pasted something in about the DOGE teams. That post did not have anything that showed a standard, needs for security clearances, etc. It again proved my point.
 
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Even if there is evidence of $1 of fraud, as a tax-paying citizen you should be concerned. Yet the Dems sit here and defend your party to no end...and attack the other party wherever you see the opportunity..so you guys can't be taken seriously. How can you not be concerned that your tax money is being redistributed fraudulently? I wonder if you guys do even like the country you live in. You need to own the garbage team you support before you can have any valuable conversation. Keep crying about your loss and not seeing the forest from the trees.
When will the fraud trials start?
Side note, where are you at on Kim Reynolds seeking to hide her school voucher program from being audited?
 
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