How Bernie Will Pay for His Stuff

[What Would Jesus Do?]

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

You may not like what he wants to do and you may quibble over whether his funding strategies will suffice to cover the costs. But at least he has laid it out.

How many other candidates have done that? Heck, how many of them have even laid out clear policy objectives?

 

[The Tradition]

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

You may not like what he wants to do and you may quibble over whether his funding strategies will suffice to cover the costs. But at least he has laid it out.

How many other candidates have done that? Heck, how many of them have even laid out clear policy objectives?

Now tell me the story about the three bears. I love that one.

 

[Hawk and Awe]

Respect laying it out, but the college for all thing ignores so many unintended consequences.

Im struggling with the college for all idea. $75B seems light and does he ever talk about a plan to control the cost of tuition? There's already plenty of money being wasted on higher education - why does the federal government need to be involved?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Respect laying it out, but the college for all thing ignores so many unintended consequences.

Im struggling with the college for all idea. $75B seems light and does he ever talk about a plan to control the cost of tuition? There's already plenty of money being wasted on higher education - why does the federal government need to be involved?

I agree with your comments. Like Obamacare in the health care arena, his college proposal disregards the costs, even while making significant improvements in accessibility and affordability to many people.

But I don't think that omission outweighs the very good reasons for extending "public education" through college. We are no longer a society where a HS diploma opens the doors to most of the best jobs.

So . . . I support Bernie's plan, but also support a cost cutting plan in addition to guaranteeing K-College public education across America.

 

[The Tradition]

I agree with your comments. Like Obamacare in the health care arena, his college proposal disregards the costs, even while making significant improvements in accessibility and affordability to many people.

But I don't think that omission outweighs the very good reasons for extending "public education" through college. We are no longer a society where a HS diploma opens the doors to most of the best jobs.

So . . . I support Bernie's plan, but also support a cost cutting plan in addition to guaranteeing K-College public education across America.

Dude, if college is free, then a bachelor's degree will be the new HS diploma.

 

[Sooner-Be-Dead]

So basically tax hikes on everything? And an 8.4% income tax carved out for healthcare is way less than our current costs.

 

[Greenway4Prez]

Dude, if college is free, then a bachelor's degree will be the new HS diploma.

It's been heading down this road already.

 

[moral_victory]

Dude, if college is free, then a bachelor's degree will be the new HS diploma.

Pretty much already is.

 

[Hawk and Awe]

Dude, if college is free, then a bachelor's degree will be the new HS diploma.

As others have said were kind of already there.

But I'm interested to hear why you think this is a bad thing? Shouldn't we be striving for a more educated society?

 

[TexMichFan]

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

You may not like what he wants to do and you may quibble over whether his funding strategies will suffice to cover the costs. But at least he has laid it out.

How many other candidates have done that? Heck, how many of them have even laid out clear policy objectives?

You mean besides Trump?

He has laid out his and Mexico is going to pay for it - how could you not like that?

 

[The Tradition]

As others have said were kind of already there.

But I'm interested to hear why you think this is a bad thing? Shouldn't we be striving for a more educated society?

College isn't for everyone and we will always need laborers.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Dude, if college is free, then a bachelor's degree will be the new HS diploma.

You probably think you just made a clever point, but that's the liberal argument. The college degree IS ALREADY the HS diploma of several decades ago. It's what is needed for the great majority of good jobs.

The difference between now and then is that back then society paid for the level of education that was needed to get a good job and today we don't.

Society and the economy thrived when we were paying for the needed level of education. Now, not so much.

Bernie's proposal simply restores the value judgments that served us well when we were building America's greatness in the 20th century.

In sum, the college degree is already the HS diploma of the past but unlike the HS diploma of the past, our society is not paying for it. We should be, and Bernie's plan is to do just that.

 

[The Tradition]

Simply not true. One of the great things about college vs high school is that there aren't disruptive jerks who don't want to be there. Everyone is paying for it, and want to learn. If it is free, mommy and daddy will be making the jerks attend.

 

[22*43*51]

As others have said were kind of already there.

But I'm interested to hear why you think this is a bad thing? Shouldn't we be striving for a more educated society?

Sure.

Coupled with "free" health care, It's just going to take a 50-75% effective tax rate on you and me to get it.

If you cannot find any negative in that then you shouldn't have any worries in life. Kudos to you.

 

[naturalmwa]

You mean besides Trump?

He has laid out his and Mexico is going to pay for it - how could you not like that?

Mexico can pay for college and healthcare too. Let's put our military to use for something for the people for once. March into Mexico like Rome would and pillage that land. We just need to think bigger.

 

[Run&Blade]

So all private colleges will go belly up?

Who is going to pay $45,000 a year for Wartburg when University of Iowa is free?

 

[THE_DEVIL]

Ya know, if you get everyone four years of college and lower the retirement age by ten years there just might be jobs for everyone left over on a continual basis. You could even tie the free loaders free money to getting a four year degree for eligibility.

 

[TexMichFan]

Mexico can pay for college and healthcare too. Let's put our military to use for something for the people for once. March into Mexico like Rome would and pillage that land. We just need to think bigger.

Corona and tequila for everyone.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Simply not true. One of the great things about college vs high school is that there aren't disruptive jerks who don't want to be there. Everyone is paying for it, and want to learn. If it is free, mommy and daddy will be making the jerks attend.

Bernie is not saying people are required to go to college.

 

[sijoint]

Pretty much already is.

I recall this cost-free higher education for all was tried.....by California in the 50's-60's? and was discontinued because cost became prohibitive. Remember that?

*Tax and spend.....political promises.....spend and tax in these job-less times, crappy economy with mounting needs to spend more on the defense of our politically divided country is not a good idea.

 

[The Tradition]

Bernie is not saying people are required to go to college.

I'm pretty sure I wrote that mommy and daddy would make the disaffected youths go to college, not Bernie.

 

[Capital1Hawk]

Just another budget item to load up our debt. It's not like we have to pay for ss, aca, Medicare and military. In 2020 the libs will be offering free housing and energy. Keep buying votes so the government is your master. Meanwhile corporations will continue to leave the US because the taxes are ridiculous.

 

[Foxclone]

On top of all that taxing for the additional benefits. How is he going to reduce all the trillions in debt we have already?

 

[Hawk and Awe]

Sure.

Coupled with "free" health care, It's just going to take a 50-75% effective tax rate on you and me to get it.

If you cannot find any negative in that then you shouldn't have any worries in life. Kudos to you.

No - this is absurd. They quoted $75 billion in the article. I think that's light, but not anywhere near 75% effective tax rate so just stop.

This post is exactly why I don't think Bernie can win an election. So much bad information out there

 

[Hawk and Awe]

Simply not true. One of the great things about college vs high school is that there aren't disruptive jerks who don't want to be there. Everyone is paying for it, and want to learn. If it is free, mommy and daddy will be making the jerks attend.

These are the unintended consequences I was talking about and totally agree. I wish Bernie would just run on total education reform instead of "college for all". Equally radical but would be much more meaningful. Maybe we should get away from K-12 system and move beyond the "glorified babysitting" that high school has become.

 

[herkyhawk00]

No one can convince me how $15 an hr for minimum wage along with free college is a great idea. $15 an hr has incredibly many consequences that are too long for a forum. We are completely obsolete in competing with foreign countries.

The consequences of free college at state schools will completely dismantle and bankrupt Private Schools. He will surpass Obama's $10 trillion deficit in one term.

Sanders will have more companies leaving the US than at any other time in its history. There is no incentive to stay.

He is a nightmare candidate that punishes people for success and thinks there should be more Govt. Involvement.

 

[22*43*51]

No - this is absurd. They quoted $75 billion in the article. I think that's light, but not anywhere near 75% effective tax rate so just stop.

This post is exactly why I don't think Bernie can win an election. So much bad information out there

You're kidding yourself.

They won't quote the true cost because he wouldn't come close to getting the nomination.

By the way, I'm voting for Bernie.

All of the candidates' agendas terrify me.

I like Bernie because think he is the least likely to get his accomplished.

 

[camickle]

Dude, if college is free, then a bachelor's degree will be the new HS diploma.

It already almost is, and soon will be either way.

On the cost issue, take a look at the income level of our professors. ... they are the 1%.
http://db.desmoinesregister.com/state-salaries-for-iowa

 

[The Tradition]

It already almost is, and soon will be either way.

No, it isn't and won't. Everybody is not going to survive two years of college, much less four, to the same extent that people manage to graduate high school.

 

[camickle]

http://db.desmoinesregister.com/state-salaries-for-iowa

 

[camickle]

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/hsgec.nr0.htm

No, it isn't and won't. Everybody is not going to survive two years of college, much less four, to the same extent that people manage to graduate high school.

There was a period in the 1990s when High School graduation rates were the lowest in decades and fell to just 71%.
Well, according to the US Census Bureau, that has risen to 78%, and 68.4% of those went on to some form of college after graduating in 2014.
That trend has been growing rapidly for the past decade and we now have 30% of those over 25 in America holding a bachelor's or above. And 39.5% of those aged 25-40 do. No idea what percentage hold some collegee, or a 2 year degeee, but I think it is safe to assume based on the 68% enrollment that it is now fairly high and quickly on the rise. Add to that that a lot of jobs, such as police and fire, have been transitioning to requiring college.
It IS happening.

 

[CeMar_Clone]

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

You may not like what he wants to do and you may quibble over whether his funding strategies will suffice to cover the costs. But at least he has laid it out.

How many other candidates have done that? Heck, how many of them have even laid out clear policy objectives?

Wow, he wants to massively increase taxes on everyone. This would be the biggest tax increase people have ever seen. And who are the democrats that are so stupid to believe that corporations pay taxes? When you ask a company to pay an additional 6% tax on their employees, it is the employee that ends up paying for it.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

You may not like what he wants to do and you may quibble over whether his funding strategies will suffice to cover the costs. But at least he has laid it out.

How many other candidates have done that? Heck, how many of them have even laid out clear policy objectives?

There is one major problem with Bernie's explanation. All liberals can NEVER be trusted, so anything that any liberal says is basically pure bullshit!

 

[BioHawk]

College isn't for everyone and we will always need laborers.

True, I would argue that trade schools are just as important as colleges and universities. I think that when someone says "post-high school education" or "continuing education" trade schools should be held to the same level. For most of them, the jobs you get pay comparatively to the average college degree. Plumbers, electricians, and welders do quite well. I would also argue that any free college talk should include trade schools, although I think some of them actually are on the job, get paid while you learn type things. I'm not too familiar with it.

 

[BioHawk]

Wow, he wants to massively increase taxes on everyone. This would be the biggest tax increase people have ever seen. And who are the democrats that are so stupid to believe that corporations pay taxes? When you ask a company to pay an additional 6% tax on their employees, it is the employee that ends up paying for it.

Of course, your expenses would also go down so the net increase isn't as much, or it could actually be a decrease depending on how much money you make.

 

[Hawk and Awe]

You're kidding yourself.

They won't quote the true cost because he wouldn't come close to getting the nomination.

By the way, I'm voting for Bernie.

All of the candidates' agendas terrify me.

I like Bernie because think he is the least likely to get his accomplished.

I think we actually agree then.... I probably voting for Bernie as well. My concern with him though is his "college for all" idea won't get all the way there, but we still end up with a Department of Secondary Education.

That's fine if it demands colleges to control their costs. I'd love to see them pay some taxes on revenues if they pay employees a certain amount. I don't think that happens though and we end up just giving grants to them as they continue to jack up prices.

 

[LakeviewHawkeye]

Of course, your expenses would also go down so the net increase isn't as much, or it could actually be a decrease depending on how much money you make.

Bernie proposed a tax on the employer. So, the company's payroll is the expense that would be going down, in the form of fewer employees and lower salaries.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

 

[NoleSoup4U]

I agree with your comments. Like Obamacare in the health care arena, his college proposal disregards the costs, even while making significant improvements in accessibility and affordability to many people.

But I don't think that omission outweighs the very good reasons for extending "public education" through college. We are no longer a society where a HS diploma opens the doors to most of the best jobs.

So . . . I support Bernie's plan, but also support a cost cutting plan in addition to guaranteeing K-College public education across America.

You act like learning a trade should be beneath people. If you ask me, we need to steer more people towards the trade skill route, but we won't because college is nothing but a money maker for both the colleges and the banks.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Bernie proposed a tax on the employer. So, the company's payroll is the expense that would be going down, in the form of fewer employees and lower salaries.

You apparently don't understand that the employer who is being asked to pay a few more percent in tax is being totally relieved of the costs of providing health insurance to his workers.

This is nearly as dumb as Hillary accusing Bernie of taking away coverage to children and others (when what he actually proposes to do is continue and improve that coverage under Medicare for All, rather than through a hodge-podge of special programs).

 

[ottumwan in tx]

it won't matter, it's how will jeb or hill pay for the stuff??