How Bernie Will Pay for His Stuff
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What about employers who already don't provide health insurance? Where are they going to cut costs?
You clearly do not understand how the real world works. But then, liberals rarely do.
Our founding fathers would be appalled at what this country has become, and are rolling in their graves at the thought of a Bernie Sanders presidency.
plus I do not think wwjd understands that medicare for all is not wonderful coverage without a supplement, a med sup for all to pay deductibles. I guess Medicaid could be the supp
Doesn't trade skill fall into secondary education? I think of apprenticeship and college as the same thing as far as government support goes. I'm to lazy to look into it but if Bernie doesn't feel that way I am concerned
Learning trade skills should be happening at the high school level. If you want to go to college, then you go to high school. If you don't, then you have the option to go to a trade school. My mechanic doesn't need to read Beowulf, and they probably don't want to read Beowulf. So, why are we wasting time and money forcing them to learn something that they don't need and don't want to know?
What you seem to be saying is that your ignorance better reflects how the world works than my fact-based perspective.
If true, isn't that a problem? You probably shouldn't be so proud of exemplifying Neil deGrasse Tyson's point.
Why should we be steering anyone anywhere? Why can't you let people be free and choose for themselves?
Such a shill for 1% and banks, the two party system is controlling you and you don't even realize it!!!!
I haven't voted Democrat or Republic the last three elections, and the point of my post is that we are now steering kids towards college, just for the benefit of the colleges and banks. You have kids graduating with 50k in debt with a liberal arts degree. What good is that? They would have been better off putting that 50k, plus interest, into something with a better return.
Bernie's plan is to pay for public college education. I could be wrong, but my impression is that most trade schools are not public schools.
If there are public vocational schools, I certainly wouldn't oppose extending the "free education" plan to those institutions, but I don't think they are part of Bernie's current plan.
That said, there's more to college than just learning a trade. I suspect Bernie thinks those additional areas of education are beneficial and important for an enlightened society. So maybe he wouldn't want to extend his program in that way.
So, you want to waste peoples' money and time because you think they should be more "enlightened?" This is what is f***ed up in this country. What you want has no basis in reality and does nothing but drag people down instead of lifting them up. Do you think your mechanic remembers anything they learned from their 12th grade English class? It was a total waste of their money and time to make them take that class.
That's too bad.
I would hope the goal would be a useful education.
At least in the future we'll have more interesting banter at cocktail parties.
You're more informed on this than I am and this post suggests a massive flaw in his plan. Why wouldn't he want to include the trade schools? Just seems like an oversight that would easily grab dem votes.
The idea that "public" institutions are really "public" is kind of laughable and that's where I really struggle with this idea in the first place. States can't control tuition prices so how would the Feds get it done?
They can't.
They would just ratchet taxes year over year.
That's the goal. Bring everyone to the middle.
And then lower.
Are you talking about the specialized doctors who also help teach. The average professor is not in the 1 percent. They get paid well in many instances, but I think what you are seeing are often times very specialized and talented doctors who also might teach a course to future doctors
You raise an interesting point. How is it that public K-12 schools are clearly more "public" than public colleges?
Even public colleges are increasingly not so public. Read Dark Money for some examples of how the Kochs and other conservative forces are undermining the public nature of these schools. And, of course, even public colleges are being run as businesses to a significant degree.
Would that change if public college was treated more like public high school? Would it happen naturally, or would we need to make it happen?
I don't disagree with this. A couple of studies I've read recommend educating every student through 10th grade and then offering a college track for college bound students (11th and 12th grade) and then a trade school track for others. A switch like that would be massively expensive though as most high schools are far from equipped to handle the increased demand on their trade school programs this would cause. Plus, it would cause significant cutbacks in other areas.
I would point to one thing though, while it may not be necessary for your mechanic to read Beowulf, it is necessary that he is able to read Beowulf. Unfortunately, reading and writing are an area many trade school students lack in. If we were to switch, I'm betting English would still be part of the trade school curriculum. What they don't necessarily need is to understand what derivative functions are and logarithmic expressions. As long as they can install the parts and operate the computer that diagnoses all the problems with a car, they don't need to know how to build the part.
Please point out where I did that. Certainly not in the comment you quoted. Nor is that what I think.
If students are having trouble reading by the time they hit the 9th grade, then we have even bigger problems that aren't going to be solved by just dumping more money into the schools.
You're insistence in posting memes about college and their insinuation that people who don't go to college will be a burden on society. Also your insinuations that we need to make community college free, so that people can learn more about the arts, yet you don't ever talk about helping people that have no wish to learn about the arts. It's all about what you think people should learn, and not about what is best for those people.
They may be able to read, but not yet comprehend complex or more thought provoking concepts. Reading and breaking down those concepts can help them in the real world.
You don't think you can learn problem solving via a trade skill? This just sounds like more elitist drivel. If you don't learn about classical literature then you're going to be a drooling idiot.
Not at all surprised at your total inability to grasp what I said and your need to distort it into something you can attack even though it bears no resemblance to my point.
Liberals are great at making promises....they (like Bernie) never worry about paying for them. They spend the majority of their energies dreaming up ways how they can give voters something, anything to secure their votes/keep them in office, and little time on how to pay for it....well the rich, corporations, the mean conservatives.....of course. They also spent a lot of time demeaning/attacking anyone that is against their giveaways, their spending loads of money.They appeal to those that don't work, don't want to work....very appealing for those looking for free....whatever that might be...food, phone....healthcare....college.
It's not about the classic literature. It's about reading comprehension which is something almost everyone can use. It doesn't have to be classic literature or any specific book.
Problem solving is a completely different skill than reading comprehension. Yes you can learn problem solving in a trade skill.
I didn't need to distort anything. You people think that everyone should want the same education that you have. It doesn't even enter your thought process that not everyone wants a classical education in the arts.
I'd like to see some concrete data to support the numbers in the "increased revenue" column.
I have a hard time believing that a nation that takes in trillions in taxes is leaving trillions on the table via loopholes for the wealthy.
I have a hard time believing that a nation that takes in trillions in taxes is leaving trillions on the table via loopholes for the wealthy.
the workforce office in cedar rapids has some programs where people can get into a welding program at Kirkwood (among others programs that they consider "in demand" careerwise). I am not sure about eligibility requirements, but they pay the cost of the program, supplies and books.
You are shockingly ignorant. According to your own link, Bernie's tax will raise $1.39 trillion per year. Over a trillion of that would come from businesses. Do you actually think businesses pay a trillion $ per year to provide health benefits? You're only off by $900 billon and change. Typical liberal math.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bruceja...-nearly-5000-at-large-companies/#27a59b763068
Any solution to this problem will require more money. Ignoring it and pretending it isn't there isn't a solution either. I can assure you, there are large numbers of poverty stricken 9th graders that have 5th grade reading levels and below. The only thing that has been shown to help with this is widespread early childhood education, but that's usually one of the first things to get the axe when Republicans go on their latest austerity bender.
We've been increasing the funding for school and the percentage of people who can read is going down. At what point do you point to something else as the problem?
I'd love to see your numbers.
First, only about 3/4 of the $1.39 trillion comes from businesses. Second, what do employers pay when they pay for insurance now. One quick google result says around $10K. So how many employees are we talking about? Sounds pretty close to an even swap.
You know, you should probably stop leading with personal attacks against another's intelligence or knowledge when you can't do better than this. This isn't even the first time in this thread that you have stomped around like a spoiled child rather than trying to have an adult conversation.
As I said, you're just making shit up, attributing it to me and then attacking it with your blinkers on.
Didn't natural just call you out for that, too?
I suspect a lot more people see your dishonest shtick.
I didn't make anything up. It's right in your post. Go check it out. The problem with people like you and Natural is that your posts betray your real ideals. You try to pretend that you're something you aren't, and then someone like me calls you out on it.
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and let's be honest, what percentage of a typical kids reading is done only at school? My 2nd grader always seems to have a handful of books from the school and public library around, and usually ends up with new books from the store every few weeks.
and let's be honest, what percentage of a typical kids reading is done only at school? My 2nd grader always seems to have a handful of books from the school and public library around, and usually ends up with new books from the store every few weeks.
