How can Republicans defend this?

And never fix it while in office so they can promise to fix it in the next election if you vote for them. Their minions just eat it up.
Trump has been harping on inflation and foreign wars as two of his many campaign issues. However, I haven't heard any solutions. What is his solution for the inflated grocery prices - i.e., his "drill baby drill" gibberish doesn't qualify? As for our involvement in foreign wars, he has said he could end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours with a phone call. Without cutting off all aide and ceding the country to his buddy Putin, how exactly would that work? Does he think Zelensky and the NATO countries are simply going to roll over for Putin? Just two examples here but it's obvious Trump talks a big line of bs but offers very few solutions to anything.
 
If your point is that I can't prove how many illegal aliens have invaded our country in the last 3 years, you would be correct. The Harris/Biden administration made sure of that.
I really feel sorry for you.
 
Trump has been harping on inflation and foreign wars as two of his many campaign issues. However, I haven't heard any solutions. What is his solution for the inflated grocery prices - i.e., his "drill baby drill" gibberish doesn't qualify? As for our involvement in foreign wars, he has said he could end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours with a phone call. Without cutting off all aide and ceding the country to his buddy Putin, how exactly would that work? Does he think Zelensky and the NATO countries are simply going to roll over for Putin? Just two examples here but it's obvious Trump talks a big line of bs but offers very few solutions to anything.
He has solutions for NOTHING. That’s fine with his followers apparently. No logic to be found.
 
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I have no evidence that there are fewer illegals in the country now than four years ago. However, the premise is that there are twelve million MORE illegal immigrants now than previously.

Until someone can produce anything that suggests this is true, the argument that rents are higher because of 12 million NEW illegal immigrants is false. After all, there were as many illegal immigrants in 2010 as there are today. There is nothing, then, to suggest this is Biden's fault.

You don't need definitive numbers to support your claim. Just something published that gives a reasonable estimate.
https://apnews.com/article/immigrat...mexico-biden-18ac91ef502e0c5433f74de6cc629b32
 
Trump has been harping on inflation and foreign wars as two of his many campaign issues. However, I haven't heard any solutions. What is his solution for the inflated grocery prices - i.e., his "drill baby drill" gibberish doesn't qualify? As for our involvement in foreign wars, he has said he could end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours with a phone call. Without cutting off all aide and ceding the country to his buddy Putin, how exactly would that work? Does he think Zelensky and the NATO countries are simply going to roll over for Putin? Just two examples here but it's obvious Trump talks a big line of bs but offers very few solutions to anything.

You do realize that a +40% increase in oil touches everything? Or do you think that every company is going to just eat those costs?
 
Look, Kamala is the QUEEN of the word salad. LOL.

"Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you're a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it's true! — but when you're a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that's why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we're a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it's not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it's four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven't figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it's gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible."
 
Maybe one.

I mean, the US population only increased about five million in the last four years.
I believe you misunderstood me.
Moving past estimates of the current total.

How many millions of illegal immigrants are you ok with having in this country.
 
I believe you misunderstood me.
Moving past estimates of the current total.

How many millions of illegal immigrants are you ok with having in this country.

Different question. The assertion was made that we have twelve million new illegal immigrants in this country under Biden. My sole point of inquiry is to see if anyone can support that claim.

So far nobody has support the claim; yet nobody will admit the claim was BS.
 
You aren’t answering my question.How many illegal immigrants reside in the country today versus four years ago?

You have proposed that rent is high because we have twelve million new illegal immigrants, which is driving up rent.

My question is, do you have statistics to support this, or is this a faith-based opinion? Because it sounds as if you don’t have the answer, and so your opinion is faith-based rather than fact based.
So, without specific stats, you don’t believe that there significantly more illegal immigrants in this country now vs 4 years ago?
 
I would say so, yes. Certainly they are more informed. And I would assume some level of intelligence is required to make good decisions regarding where you go to for information.
lol…now I know where you get your “info” from. 😉
 
The statistics I have seen is that the number of illegal immigrants living in the United States today is roughly the same as it was four years ago. It's roughly the same as it was fourteen years go.

So I am asking for any evidence that there really are twelve million more illegal immigrants in the US today. Unless there is evidence for you premise (there are 12 million new illegal immigrants) your conclusion (rent is higher because of Biden) is in doubt.

So, I will repeat. Do you have evidence that there are 12 million new illegal immigrants in the last four years; or is that something you believe without evidence?
Link to your claim that there are roughly the same # of illegal immigrants in this country now as 4 years ago. If true, the Dems would be touting that “stat”; however, I haven’t heard one Democrat politician claim such.
 
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When I moved to Berkeley in 1973, I spent some time looking for an apartment to rent near the campus. Every single one in my price range had defects ... carpeting in shreds, broken elevators, broken appliances, cracked windows, unclean, and so on. It seemed to be understood that since there were not too many available apartments, that some poor soul would be desparate and sign a lease.

I ended up finding one nearby in Oakland.

The first time I moved to NYC in 1980 or so, it was the same thing. People would rent apartments and then spend a couple of thousand dollars of their own money on painting, carpeting, new appliances, and other general maintenance items. It seemed to be just the way the market had evolved, but really it was rent control. If you had rich parents, you could find a deal and remodel it. If not, you downsized ... and ended up living in a tiny apartment for the next twenty years, because in the inflationary environment, you would build a sort of equity by having a below-market rent ... and would lose to your "investment" by moving.
The problem seems to be wanting to live in NYC. 🥴
 
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Different question. The assertion was made that we have twelve million new illegal immigrants in this country under Biden. My sole point of inquiry is to see if anyone can support that claim.

So far nobody has support the claim; yet nobody will admit the claim was BS.
I’m aware it is a different question.

How many millions of illegal immigrants are you ok with having in this country?

What’s your answer?
 
Without specific stats, why do you think there are significantly more illegal immigrants now than 4 years ago?
There are so many “getaways” that specific stats are hard to come by, but various news sources (not just conservative sources) all agree “at least” 8 million illegal immigrants have entered this country during Biden/Harris administration. Is the new Dem playbook to deny reality?
 
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I’m aware it is a different question.

How many millions of illegal immigrants are you ok with having in this country?

What’s your answer?
Not a question I have pondered much.

Why are you changing to a new conversation without admitting you were wrong in the first one?
 
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What does “open the southern border” mean to you? What do you think they actually did? Open up gates and put leis around migrants necks? You guys say this stuff and it’s not actually a thing. Also, why didn’t your guy allow the House to pass Senator Lankford’s border bill that would be the law now?
lol…that proposed border bill was NOT a way to significantly decrease/stop illegal immigration, rather simply a method to increase the speed of processing even more immigrants into this country. It’s not what the majority of Americans wanted, thus the bill was dead on arrival.
 
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There are so many “getaways” that specific stats are hard to come by, but various news sources (not just conservative sources) all agree “at least” 8 million illegal immigrants have entered this country during Biden/Harris administration. Is the new Dem playbook to deny reality?
So how can 12 million 'more' illegal immigrants be in America now than 4 years ago, if only 8million entered during the Biden/Harris administration?
 
@abby97 laughed…I bet he can’t prove it either.
Wow…if you Dems in this thread are on to something…you better get this immigration “info” quickly to the upcoming Dem national convention. Otherwise, immigration #’s will continue to be a key voting issue, right behind inflation. 😉
 
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So how can 12 million 'more' illegal immigrants be in America now than 4 years ago, if only 8million entered during the Biden/Harris administration?
I said “at least” to be conservative, but there are some estimates of 12 million +.
 
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Trump has been harping on inflation and foreign wars as two of his many campaign issues. However, I haven't heard any solutions. What is his solution for the inflated grocery prices - i.e., his "drill baby drill" gibberish doesn't qualify? As for our involvement in foreign wars, he has said he could end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours with a phone call. Without cutting off all aide and ceding the country to his buddy Putin, how exactly would that work? Does he think Zelensky and the NATO countries are simply going to roll over for Putin? Just two examples here but it's obvious Trump talks a big line of bs but offers very few solutions to anything.
So, you don’t see the relationship between more/cheaper energy, i. e. “drill baby drill” mantra and at least some inflation? Transportations costs for various products have gone up, with such costs passed onto the consumer. As to the foreign wars…were there such conflicts during Trump’s tenure? Not sure of his specific plan(s) to stop these conflicts, but perhaps they wouldn’t have even occurred if Trump had been president. 🤔
 
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I said “at least” to be conservative, but there are some estimates of 12 million +.
Gotcha, so:

0 illegal immigrants in America in 2020 when Biden was elected
12M illegal immigrants allowed in by Biden/Harris
= 12M more illegal immigrants in America now than 4 years ago

Makes perfect sense.
 
Gotcha, so:

0 illegal immigrants in America in 2020 when Biden was elected
12M illegal immigrants allowed in by Biden/Harris
= 12M more illegal immigrants in America now than 4 years ago

Makes perfect sense.
lol…who said zero illegal immigrants in America in 2020? However, it was a much smaller/manageable # at that time. The # has exploded during the Biden admin. Try to keep up man. 😉
 
The problem seems to be wanting to live in NYC. 🥴
Have you ever met anyone who did not want to live in New York? Anyone you will ever ask "If you could live anywhere in the world and money was not an issue, where would that be?" will say "New York City!!" (At a minimum, 90% of the responders will say NYC.)

In any case, my point in making the post, is that if government controls pricing, you get less of it. In the apartment market, that means Rent Control. Rent Control leads to fewer rental units and in turn that maintenance suffers.

I presumed that everyone already knew this, so my two cents consisted of relating two of my direct experiences with price controlled rental markets. I remember these two attempts to find housing to be quite sobering.
 
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Yeah she needs to take questions from a serious interviewer like... Elon Musk? You know... like the King of words salads just did. Mr Lisp.
LOL!! Right. So, Trump and Vance have only taken questions from Musk. What an idiotic take. Tump and Vance have sat down with more LIB media in the last month then Harris has with ANY media. Let that sink in. :rolleyes:
 
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Not a question I have pondered much.

How much pondering will it take you to come up with an answer?

Why are you changing to a new conversation without admitting you were wrong in the first one?
We don't know how many there are.
We know that millions come in, we have data on those encountered, no data on those not encountered.
We know that Democrats fight trying get an actual enumeration of them during the Census.
We know we don't have data on how many leave.

Fazel-Zarandi’s study compared inflows and outflows of immigrants as well as demographic data. According to the report, the number of undocumented immigrants could be as low as 16.5 million, or as high as 29.1 million.

Are you ok with 10 million illegal immigrants, but not ok with 20 million? 30 million?
If you're ok with 30 million you probably wouldn't give a shit if it was actually 10 or 11, right?

What's your threshold for this?

NATO ally Finland suffered an average 10 illegal immigrants a day for three months and closed the border with Russia in response.
1,400 illegal immigrants and they closed the border and started building fences.
And we're supposed to be ok with getting thousands a day?
 
lol…who said zero illegal immigrants in America in 2020? However, it was a much smaller/manageable # at that time. The # has exploded during the Biden admin. Try to keep up man. 😉
Let's work it a little slower for you.

1. The argument MAGAs made in this thread is that there are 12M more illegal immigrants in this country now, than there were 4 years ago.
2. You said that Biden/Harris allowed 12M illegal immigrants in during their administration.
3. If those two statements are true, then there were 0 illegal immigrants in American when Trump left office.
4. So it isn't hard to figure out which one of the first two statements is bs.
 
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How much pondering will it take you to come up with an answer?


We don't know how many there are.
We know that millions come in, we have data on those encountered, no data on those not encountered.
We know that Democrats fight trying get an actual enumeration of them during the Census.
We know we don't have data on how many leave.

Fazel-Zarandi’s study compared inflows and outflows of immigrants as well as demographic data. According to the report, the number of undocumented immigrants could be as low as 16.5 million, or as high as 29.1 million.

Are you ok with 10 million illegal immigrants, but not ok with 20 million? 30 million?
If you're ok with 30 million you probably wouldn't give a shit if it was actually 10 or 11, right?

What's your threshold for this?

NATO ally Finland suffered an average 10 illegal immigrants a day for three months and closed the border with Russia in response.
1,400 illegal immigrants and they closed the border and started building fences.
And we're supposed to be ok with getting thousands a day?

I know you desperately want to change the subject, but I am not doing it until you admit the accusation that there are 12 million more illegal immigrants in this country since Biden took office. That is hogwash, and until you admit it I am not moving on.

Btw, multiple studies have come up with roughly 11Million in total living in the US in 2022. And Homeland Security thinks Fazel-Zarendi’s study is crap.

 
I know you desperately want to change the subject, but I am not doing it until you admit the accusation that there are 12 million more illegal immigrants in this country since Biden took office. That is hogwash, and until you admit it I am not moving on.

Btw, multiple studies have come up with roughly 11Million in total living in the US in 2022. And Homeland Security thinks Fazel-Zarendi’s study is crap.

Once DJT is back in office there will be 11 million less to worry about, I'm willing to help locate and catch them so we can send them back either by bus, plane or boxcar.
 
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I know you desperately want to change the subject,

It’s not ‘changing the subject’, it’s the heart of the matter.
If you’re fine with 100 million illegals living here, what do you care if it’s 10 million or 29 million today?

I do not think that millions of foreigners have a right to live in this country at taxpayer expense.

How many is too many to you?

I am not doing it until you admit the accusation that there are 12 million more illegal immigrants in this country since Biden took office. That is hogwash, and until you admit it I am not moving on.

I admit we know at least 12 million came in and don’t know how many left, and the Democrats insist we can’t use the census to make an actual enumeration.

You refuse to share your opinion until I ‘admit’ to facts not in evidence. Not going to do that for you.

You can hide your opinion if you’re afraid to share it, but don’t blame me for your cowardice.

Btw, multiple studies have come up with roughly 11Million in total living in the US in 2022. And Homeland Security thinks Fazel-Zarendi’s study is crap.

So the bureaucrats at the Department of Homeland Security are your fount of truth?
That’s a helluva an admission.

Did you agree with them when they said millions of illegal immigrants coming in was fine, or when they said it was an emergency?
 
It’s not ‘changing the subject’, it’s the heart of the matter.
If you’re fine with 100 million illegals living here, what do you care if it’s 10 million or 29 million today?

I do not think that millions of foreigners have a right to live in this country at taxpayer expense.

How many is too many to you?



I admit we know at least 12 million came in and don’t know how many left, and the Democrats insist we can’t use the census to make an actual enumeration.

You refuse to share your opinion until I ‘admit’ to facts not in evidence. Not going to do that for you.

You can hide your opinion if you’re afraid to share it, but don’t blame me for your cowardice.



So the bureaucrats at the Department of Homeland Security are your fount of truth?
That’s a helluva an admission.

Did you agree with them when they said millions of illegal immigrants coming in was fine, or when they said it was an emergency?
From Statista.com

Illegal immigration and the Biden administration
Under the Biden administration, the President has worked to reverse some of the stringent immigration policies that former president Donald Trump passed. These policies included stopping the Mexican border wall construction, protecting DACA recipients, and ending the travel ban on several Muslim majority countries. One of his proposed legislations includes the U.S. Citizenship Act of 2021, which would provide a path to citizenship to as many as 11 million undocumented immigrants in the country.

Like it or not...this administration has opened the borders....and that includes Biden telling them to "Surge to the border." I laugh every time I here a Lib try and defend this and say that it is no worse now than it was under Trump. LOL!

LINK - Biden tells Migrants to SURGE to the border!
 
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