How does ISU totally kill Iowa in recruiting

[IowaPride95]

Tucker, Wiggington, Jacobson, Babb, Shayok and Wieskamp are the primary 6 I would run out there. ISU has mad a living in recent years, with several guys who all can handle the ball.


ISU is 30th in Scoring defense
They rank 35th in Rebound Margin
ISU is 208th in 3 pt fg %.

Wieskamp is currently at 41.5% from three,
Coming out of high school he shot 48% from 3. He has Matt Thomas shooting skills.

Given you are putting 8th on the depth charge, how would you address the biggest need for ISU?

I am not going to get into the Weiskamp not being in the top 8 debate as that is pointless, but in regards to ISU being 208th in 3 pt FG %, here is how I address that:
-get Wigginton back - shot 40% last year. Has played in 1 game this year, was 3 of 6 in that game. I expect him to shot 40% or so this year.
-eliminate minutes for Griffin and Lewis by playing Talley, Lard, Wigginton and Young instead. Those two are currently 9 of 42 on the year (21%)

If you remove those two from the team numbers, ISU is shooting 36.1% from three which would be good for roughly 100th in the country. Add in Wigginton and that number climbs. Moving forward I do not for see hardly any minutes for Lewis or Griffin for ISU this year.

 

[TugsMcGee]

Like a few others have said: people argue Fran's recruiting is not bad, therefore he must be a terrible coach. Or his recruiting is sub par so he's making the most of what he's got. Either way it results in a sub par product on the floor. The defense is back to where it was last year now that they are playing teams with a pulse.

 

[IowaPride95]

Like a few others have said: people argue Fran's recruiting is not bad, therefore he must be a terrible coach. Or his recruiting is sub par so he's making the most of what he's got. Either way it results in a sub par product on the floor. The defense is back to where it was last year now that they are playing teams with a pulse.

The defense is currently light year's ahead of last year if you look at numbers. Roughly 180 spots higher in defensive efficiency, the problem is, it took that much improvement just to have the second worst Big 10 defense so far this year ahead of only Illinois. But as Iowa plays more quality teams, you are right, that defensive number may continue to fall towards where it ended last year at in the mid 200s out of 360 or so D1 teams.

 

[TugsMcGee]

The defense is currently light year's ahead of last year if you look at numbers. Roughly 180 spots higher in defensive efficiency, the problem is, it took that much improvement just to have the second worst defense so far this year ahead of only Illinois. But as Iowa plays more quality teams, you are right, that defensive number may continue to fall towards where it ended last year at in the mid 200s out of 360 or so D1 teams.

Yes, the defensive shit show is just getting started.

 

[Jizzer]

What were these guys ranked by 247? ESPN recruiting service is trash.

Speaking of Trash. This kid is the epitome. He tweets at guys Iowa is recruiting to not come here, guys that ISU isn't even recruiting. He is white trash at it's finest.

 

[Jizzer]

There is way too much aisle space at the courtside level in Carver Hawkeye. Its been a few years since I've been in that arena, so I don't recall if all of the aisles go all the way to the floor, or just some. Either way, they don't need so many aisles going down to the floor level. It looks like crap on TV and kills the atmosphere when there is a big wide aisle between every five or six fans on the sides of the court. Half of those aisles should only go down partially and should stop as the rows get narrower, well up from the floor level that can be seen on TV. I don't know why the athletic department hasn't done this.

I agree with you here, they should stop about 15 rows back do this.

 

[Kurt Warner]

Speaking of Trash. This kid is the epitome. He tweets at guys Iowa is recruiting to not come here, guys that ISU isn't even recruiting. He is white trash at it's finest.

Who is doing this?

 

[Jizzer]

Who is doing this?

Do you tweet?

 

[billshawks]

Valid, he has a very good guard that transferred from Colorado State, Wiggington will go pro this year, but he already has a guy who averaged 16 points a game at CSU waiting in the wings. As someone pointed out ealier, this is like bagging a 5 start recruit because of his experience. You remove the learning curve of college ball, and you get guys who are used to hostile environments.

Also I think college is about how many top 50 guys you get. I mean the 3 you talk about in the rankings above started from day 1, started and are extremely high end and productive. That is the difference

4* players that started from day 1 for Iowa
Cook #38 by ESPN
4* WIeskamp #42 by Rivals top 100 by ESPN
4* Garza top 100 by ESPN 4* just outside their top 100
4* Jordan by ESPN outside their top 100
4* Moss by ESPN outside their top 100
NOT starting 4* Connor top 100 by ESPN 4* outside Rival top 100
yet to step foot on campus
4* Patrick #50 by ESPN and top 100 by Rivals
that will make 7 4* recruits that will be on scholarship for the 2019-20 season
if Cook stays for his SR year.

Pat is getting Baer's scholarship

yes Fran and his staff have picked up the pace in recruiting but none of these are/were 5* 1 n Done players let alone a multi year 5*.

So it is totally down to coaching then!

 

[David1979]

Moss absolutely did not have an offer from Iowa State. Cook did, and the only offers Wieskamp had were from In State Schools. Plus I feel like the reason Joe had the offer from ISU just was to save face because he was from Iowa. ISU had Talen Horton-Tucker, Zion Griffin "got both", Timmy Allen, Torrence Watson, and Rodgerick Brown all higher on their board than Joe was

This is not true about Wieskamp. ISU would have taken him in a heartbeat if he was interested.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Weiskamp is a 2/3 guard and there is no chance he would earn minutes over Wigginton, Shayok, or Horton-Tucker. 0% chance. If you think that makes me delusional I dont know what to tell you. It isn't even a conversation.

Why did ISU offer joe before those guys?

 

[IamHawkeye]

From 2016-2019 recruiting classes: Iowa has pulled in the #43, #64, #74, and #111 ranked recruits according to Rivals. ISU has pulled in #24, #33, #85, #116, #131 (Jakolby Long who's gone), and #143. Looking at this, I wouldn't say they are "killing" us in recruiting. The main difference between these two programs, is ISU "kills" it with transfers. Which I guess, you could say is recruiting, in a way. Without Talley, Babb, Jacobsen, and Shayok, ISU wouldn't be near where it is right now. Iowa needs to find a way to get some impact transfers. ISU had some things fall there way with these transfers, as Babb recruited his brother and Jacobsen wanted to come home, but Frans' inability to adapt to the college transfer game has really hurt him in his time here.

There is an article in SI about transfers, mainly graduate ones. I would say most of the graduate transfers, but of course not all of them are mainstays on mid-majors and then transfer up. Too bad for the former team, I think, but I suppose many of you would say they are following their dream. I wonder if mid-major coaches live in fear of their stars "following their dream." The transfers situation is contributing to further chaos in college BB, IMO. as is one and done.

 

[IamHawkeye]

Pemsl below the rim player, Dailey Rutgers flip, Fran's family friend CJ Frederick, Wagner and Elliingson that just left, Flemming, Christian Williams.

Hey, Frederick hasn't played and you know he is no good?

 

[Jizzer]

There is an article in SI about transfers, mainly graduate ones. I would say most of the graduate transfers, but of course not all of them are mainstays on mid-majors and then transfer up. Too bad for the former team, I think, but I suppose many of you would say they are following their dream. I wonder if mid-major coaches live in fear of their stars "following their dream." The transfers situation is contributing to further chaos in college BB, IMO. as is one and done.

I sometimes wonder if Fran is worried about his own guys transferring because of a transfer.

 

[hawkland14]

Say what you want about ISU and who they did recruit and who they didn't recruit but they are way ahead of us in recruiting, facilities and production on the floor.

 

[andy1992]

I sometimes wonder if Fran is worried about his own guys transferring because of a transfer.

Never understood this thinking if that is what he is afraid of happening. Look you play the best guys you can get. Top 8 or 9. If the end of the bench guys transfer because they don't get playing time. Sorry either you should never been offered a scholarship or you didn't work hard enough to earn a spot. It's major college basketball. Also, if you lose the end of the bench guy, so what. You replaced him with an impact transfer that can get you to the next level. You think Prohm was worried about Jakoby Long's playing time when he recruited Shayok and Prentice Nixon?

 

[Kurt Warner]

Do you tweet?

No

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Say what you want about ISU and who they did recruit and who they didn't recruit but they are way ahead of us in recruiting, facilities and production on the floor.

Facilities?

 

[David1979]

Facilities?

ISU has a really nice basketball practice complex.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

ISU has a really nice basketball practice complex.

So does iowa, and you don’t have to get in a car and drive there. Both game facilities are aging and rather nondescript.

 

[flynnhicks03]

Moss absolutely DID have an offer from ISU.

I remember this a little. Seems like Hoiberg got in on Moss pretty late, but it sounded like his dad really liked Hoiberg, so I remember thinking we had a chance. It wasn't meant to be, though.

 

[Jizzer]

No

Well, he's on there, goes by same handle. Also tweeted about Fant not being the best TE to both Fant's brother and father, back on 10/7. Awhile back, I was looking through twitter and Kakert or someone retweeted about a recruit visiting Iowa. I clicked on the tweet to see who the recruit was, etc, etc. There was this guy, telling the recruit he was wasting his time, or something stupid like that. It's a whole new class of douchiness when you do crap like that. He's white trash.

 

[Jizzer]

Never understood this thinking if that is what he is afraid of happening. Look you play the best guys you can get. Top 8 or 9. If the end of the bench guys transfer because they don't get playing time. Sorry either you should never been offered a scholarship or you didn't work hard enough to earn a spot. It's major college basketball. Also, if you lose the end of the bench guy, so what. You replaced him with an impact transfer that can get you to the next level. You think Prohm was worried about Jakoby Long's playing time when he recruited Shayok and Prentice Nixon?

Yeah, and it's pretty clear by the results, that he has to think this way. Our team is missing one SG from being pretty damn good.

 

[relishingwinning18]

No

Well, he's on there, goes by same handle. Also tweeted about Fant not being the best TE to both Fant's brother and father, back on 10/7. Awhile back, I was looking through twitter and Kakert or someone retweeted about a recruit visiting Iowa. I clicked on the tweet to see who the recruit was, etc, etc. There was this guy, telling the recruit he was wasting his time, or something stupid like that. It's a whole new class of douchiness when you do crap like that. He's white trash.

Impressive detective skills.

 

[sm_hawkeye]

Outside of Cook and Weiskamp and maybe Garza who else on the roster would be playing in a P5 conference? A couple might be 8-10 on the bench but none would be logging major minutes or starting. You can deny the elephant in the room but it is what it is.

Isiah Moss had offer from Auburn
Jack Nunge offer from Nebraska
Pemsl had a big east offer from Creighton
I believe Bohannon had a Big east offer too
CJ Fredrick- Indiana and Penn State offers
And McCaffery likely would had a chance at low end P5

I agree Fran recruiting lately has been fairly weak. Specifically at guard. Last year was the worst roster he put out there - but the transfer at last minute and McCaffery illness definitely didn't help.

Iowa is 2-6 vs ISU with Fran, margin of lost average was 5 points. Does losing by that kind of margin really show our roster is WAY behind ISUs? Are we going to rather credit Fran's coaching?

Fran deserves some heat, but unless someone special is actually available for Iowa, I think Iowa is best giving Fran one more strike. Plenty examples of high level programs hiring coaches to do far worst then Fran.

 

[Lone Clone]

Isiah Moss had offer from Auburn
Jack Nunge offer from Nebraska
Pemsl had a big east offer from Creighton
I believe Bohannon had a Big east offer too
CJ Fredrick- Indiana and Penn State offers
And McCaffery likely would had a chance at low end P5

I agree Fran recruiting lately has been fairly weak. Specifically at guard. Last year was the worst roster he put out there - but the transfer at last minute and McCaffery illness definitely didn't help.

Iowa is 2-6 vs ISU with Fran, margin of lost average was 5 points. Does losing by that kind of margin really show our roster is WAY behind ISUs? Are we going to rather credit Fran's coaching?

Fran deserves some heat, but unless someone special is actually available for Iowa, I think Iowa is best giving Fran one more strike. Plenty examples of high level programs hiring coaches to do far worst then Fran.

1. I am an outsider.
2. I know nothing in particular about basketball.
3. Having pointed out (1) and (2), I will say that the thing that strikes me about Fran's teams is their lack of outstanding guards.

 

[Ollie4ISU]

Fran can recruit, but much of his success is 4s and 5s. His roster balance always seems way off to me. Wieskamp is an exeception. He looks really good. As an ISU fan, I would poach Wieskamp, Cook and Baer. I love/hate Nicholas Baer. He just never stops. It's great if he is on your team, he is just maddening as an opponent.

 

[RocknRollface]

I think if anything, people understand that and support it?



This is a huge point. Hell, the Hawkeye coach banked a scholarship (or did he give it to his son?) in a year where it was OBVIOUS we needed better guards.



Not only does Fran seem to love these guys - he urges them to play uptempo basketball!

He gave it to Fredick. Who was willing to walk on and will likely never have much of an impact, especially on a team full of guys with similar skill sets to him.

 

[relishingwinning18]

Fran can recruit, but much of his success is 4s and 5s. His roster balance always seems way off to me. Wieskamp is an exeception. He looks really good. As an ISU fan, I would poach Wieskamp, Cook and Baer. I love/hate Nicholas Baer. He just never stops. It's great if he is on your team, he is just maddening as an opponent.

Agree, something just looks off with the cohesiveness.

 

[Legend12]

So does iowa, and you don’t have to get in a car and drive there. Both game facilities are aging and rather nondescript.

How many of the players live at Carver?

 

[CyberJJ]

Why did ISU offer joe before those guys?

ISU offered and wanted Joe W. When a top talent is in state, they usually get offered first. I think ISU knew early on Joe W was headed to the Hawks so moved on. I believe in that class they felt they had a good haul that weren’t fall back recruits. However anyone that says they didn’t recognize Joe as a quality prospect hasn’t watched a lot of basketball. He reminds me a lot of Matt Thomas, but likely has a more complete game at this stage of his career than Matt did. As an ISU fan I would make a spot for Joe on the team and I am sure that Prohm would have as well. He is and will be a talent for Iowa.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

How many of the players live at Carver?

Only Aaron White to my knowledge

 

[Hayes_30]

Speaking of Trash. This kid is the epitome. He tweets at guys Iowa is recruiting to not come here, guys that ISU isn't even recruiting. He is white trash at it's finest.

Pics or it didn't happen. Because honestly I don't think that ever happened.

 

[relishingwinning18]

Speaking of Trash. This kid is the epitome. He tweets at guys Iowa is recruiting to not come here, guys that ISU isn't even recruiting. He is white trash at it's finest.

Pics or it didn't happen. Because honestly I don't think that ever happened.

I went out and looked today, after he posted this and found you. I did in fact see the tweet to chris and willie knocking Fant on 10/7, so I believe him on the other tweets. Why would you even do this? How little of a human are you? Does Iowa get under your skin that much? I can just imagine the other psycho isu guys on this board that do the same thing. You’re a father too? Can you imagine some lowlife tweeting you someday, knocking your child? Gain some perspective guy.

 

[Hayes_30]

Who is

I went out and looked today, after he posted this and found you. I did in fact see the tweet to chris and willie knocking Fant on 10/7, so I believe him on the other tweets. Why would you even do this? How little of a human are you? Does Iowa get under your skin that much? I can just imagine the other psycho isu guys on this board that do the same thing. You’re a father too? Can you imagine some lowlife tweeting you someday, knocking your child? Gain some perspective guy.

Who is Chris and willie?
Oh are you talking about Fants relatives? I can't remeber what I said but probably had something to do with TJ being better. I mean I wasn't wrong lol.

 

[bdg8]

That's a good point, but I think a really important factor is that Fred took a chance and was 'way out front nationally in going after transfers. And he took a lot of shit for it, too -- especially on this board. "Transfer U" is a term of derision to some, but if you're looking for a place to go, it's just the opposite.

Fred didn't take crap for the transfer strategy. They needed talent. He took crap because most of the players had a fair amount of baggage

 

[andy1992]

Isiah Moss had offer from Auburn
Jack Nunge offer from Nebraska
Pemsl had a big east offer from Creighton
I believe Bohannon had a Big east offer too
CJ Fredrick- Indiana and Penn State offers
And McCaffery likely would had a chance at low end P5

I agree Fran recruiting lately has been fairly weak. Specifically at guard. Last year was the worst roster he put out there - but the transfer at last minute and McCaffery illness definitely didn't help.

Iowa is 2-6 vs ISU with Fran, margin of lost average was 5 points. Does losing by that kind of margin really show our roster is WAY behind ISUs? Are we going to rather credit Fran's coaching?

Fran deserves some heat, but unless someone special is actually available for Iowa, I think Iowa is best giving Fran one more strike. Plenty examples of high level programs hiring coaches to do far worst then Fran.

Don’t judge it by a rivalry game

 

[CyberJJ]

So does iowa, and you don’t have to get in a car and drive there. Both game facilities are aging and rather nondescript.

I agree that the ISU basketball practice facility, while nice, is not a plus that it is so far from Hilton. While Iowa has a good one, I don’t know that it is differentiated from ISU’s, but it is a bonus that it is attached to Carver (although that is far enough from most of the dorms on campus to not be a convenient walk.) I also agree that Hilton is not ascetically a work of art, but there is no comparison to the game experience in Hilton compared to Carver. The facility may be aging and nondescript, but the gametime atmosphere is far from that description, and even potentially in the “special” category of college basketball experiences in the Arena.

 

[Jizzer]

Pics or it didn't happen. Because honestly I don't think that ever happened.

I'm not going to go back 4 months and look through your entire twitter feed. All I know, is someone like Kakert retweeted a high school kids tweet that he was going to visit Iowa. You tweeted to the kid "why would you waste your time" or something idiotic. When I saw your name, I immediately connected the dots between there and here. The kid wasn't associated with ISU in any way from a recruiting perspective. Your whole feed is bashing Iowa. It's weird bro.

 

[Cydkar]

I'm not going to go back 4 months and look through your entire twitter feed. All I know, is someone like Kakert retweeted a high school kids tweet that he was going to visit Iowa. You tweeted to the kid "why would you waste your time" or something idiotic. When I saw your name, I immediately connected the dots between there and here. The kid wasn't associated with ISU in any way from a recruiting perspective. Your whole feed is bashing Iowa. It's weird bro.

What is his twitter handle?