How does voter fraud occur?
- Thread starter Mountain Man Hawk
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What are you talking about? I never said anything about voter IDs, just that Trump is an idiot who would gladly commit fraud to rig an election.
You miss d the biggest one, the majority of fraud is done by guess it, Republican voters.
One lady in Iowa even said she was concerned the vote was “rigged” against Trump so she voted twice to try to make up for it. 1000 IQ move!
It's reasonable to think the number of actual voter fraud cases is higher. What do you suggest the ratio would be?
The only cases of voter fraud that I've read about are a few people who voted when they weren't entitled to - but they honestly believed they were eligible to vote.
Not really fraud in my opinion.
The fraud that I'm most worried about is the massive GOP fraud to remove eligible voters from the registered voter lists, and the trickery to make it hard for people to vote.
Jim Crow restrictions were more blatant, but no different in intent.
Not really fraud in my opinion.
The fraud that I'm most worried about is the massive GOP fraud to remove eligible voters from the registered voter lists, and the trickery to make it hard for people to vote.
Jim Crow restrictions were more blatant, but no different in intent.
Yup. No one has ever said voter fraud doesn’t happen. What most of us try to argue is that first of all , there a numerous guardrails in place to validate elections. Second, to accomplish voter fraud on the scale large enough to actually impact elections, you’re talking a group large enough that it’s highly unlikely at best they wouldn’t get noticed.It happens. It’s extremely rare.
Don’t believe anything you read on Twitter. Voting fraud isn’t even a fraction the problem that voter suppression is.
Here is a database put together by an extremely right wing group, the hertiage foundation, that tracks voter fraud. Take a look around and you’ll see just how small of a deal it is.
The Heritage Foundation's Election Fraud Map
The Heritage Foundation's Election Fraud Map is an interactive tool providing a sampling of proven instances of election fraud across the U.S. From @HeritageDatavizwww.heritage.org
Neither Elon nor Trump nor anyone in the GOP ha ever presented evidence proving otherwise. They would have you believe one simply shows up, casts a ballot and that’s all.
Feel free to provide any evidence.
Why do we need a solution for a problem that doesn’t exist? Not to mention very few of the reported fraud cases would have been prevented by voter fraud.
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
If the MAGA folks had the ability to think critically they would most likely be in a life position that meant they weren’t so aggrieved. They certainly would not vote for Trump.
The Trump chapter of the American experience is, if nothing else, a great filter for who is logical and who is not.
How about we tie some type of identify verification to online voting? Make voting easily accessible to all registered voters.
They could have voting kiosks in poor areas.
I don't mind reasonable voter ID laws provided you can get an ID cost free from the government if you have no other ID. Constitution doesn't say you have to be a licensed driver in order to vote.
My issue is that "voter fraud" has been used as an excuse to push all sort of other requirements making it difficult to vote. In another thread on here it was shown that urban areas especially in conservative states have extremely long lines at the polls. Yet the fear of voter fraud has been used to shut down mail in voting (We've been using mail in voting since the civil war) and reducing or eliminating early voting.
I predicted it right after Trump lost Georgia in 2020 that they would completely overhaul their voting laws which they immediately did. And I guarantee if he loses Georgia again, they will overhaul their voting laws again.
Yes,.. that would be why they have a different name...
Which is why the process for voting in them is different from elections, which is why your comment makes no sense.
A federal voting ID makes perfect sense,.. We can disagree as to how many ways it might be utilized, but it makes perfect sense.
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
See this is what I’m talking about. You have no compelling argument. Y’all just twist yourselves into a pretzel to justify a vote for a conman grifter who isn’t helping our country one bit.
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I don’t know if “significant” fraud is necessary to sway this supposed close election? I’ll leave it to others to explain how fraud can occur, but even a small amount is too much, in my opinion.
As long as humans are involved, small amounts of fraud are all but impossible to prevent entirely. What fraud has been found in previous elections has been statistically insignificant amount…last election we’re literally talking a handful of votes on average per state. Significant fraud would require thousands of cases of voter fraud, likely in more than 1 state.
Counterpoint: what instances of voter fraud would it have prevented?
All I ask is that you establish a problem exists before proposing a solution for a problem you can’t establish in the first place.
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See this is what I’m talking about. You have no compelling argument. Y’all just twist yourselves into a pretzel to justify a vote for a conman grifter who isn’t helping our country one bit.
Ok I can go with that. . . as long was we limit it to ID's and not eliminate all mail in ballots, get rid of early voting and make certain types of people stand in line for 6 hours in order to vote.
Because all that shit has been proposed for "voter confidence"
If voting is important enough to folks they will make it a priority, they will do what their state requires. Enough of this voter suppression crap.
Ok so you go stand in line for 6 hours to vote and tell me that you would never ask the question if it was all really worth it.
It's easy for you to say that when voting for you is easy and you are in and out in 15 minutes. A lot harder to say that if you stand in line for nearly half your waking hours just to cast a ballot.
Right, you know the deal, you either do it, or don't. And you eloquently and beautifully stated "just to cast a ballot".
That’s a strange leap in logic.
Just about every law and regulation and safeguard we have in place is in reaction to an observable problem.
We don’t really do very well trying to fix things that aren’t broken.
Just answer the question Yes or No -
Are for or against some type of Voter ID law
LOL...banks have vaults to protect literally millions of dollars and the safety deposit boxes of their customers. Bank robberies are probably more common than in-person voter fraud where the person is actually voting as someone else. The W DOJ investigated for five years...it was the primary focus of the DOJ for that entire time...federal prosecutors were fired for refusing to waste resources to go down that dead end. Final Tally, they obtained fewer than 70 convictions, and not one of them would have been prevented by voter ID. Not one.
I have zero problems with requiring an ID...seriously. Make it easy to obtain and free under every circumstance. Need a birth certificate? Free. Need transport to a DMV office? Free. Hell, set up mobile voter ID vans that can hit community centers and parks.
It won't fix anything. Read that again...slowly...It. Won't. Fix. Anything.
You know what DOES help? Operations like ERIC...which your guys praised until they didn't. Your guys demonized an enterprise whose only function was preventing voter fraud. It was complete and utter horseshit, yet multiple GOP states left ERIC and greatly increased the possibility for the kind of voter fraud we DO see...where people register under their own names in multiple areas and vote.
So save me your concern about "voter fraud". Call out the dumbasses who dumped ERIC if you're truly concerned.
What problem would it solve?
Establish that there is a voter fraud issue that voter IDs would address, and we can talk.
