I think we've all been pretty consistent.
Recruiting is on the coaches - and they don't do it well.
Training is on the coaches - and we say the SAME.... SHIDDD.... EVERY... YEAR...
How far beyond has Iowa fallen?
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Recruiting is on the coaches - and they don't do it well.
Training is on the coaches - and we say the SAME.... SHIDDD.... EVERY... YEAR...
56 year olds who emulated their former coach when they started coaching and who have done the same thing for the last 20 years are not agents of change. At all. Doesn't matter the profession. In fact my experience is that those people resist and impede change as much as possible.
Do you ever try to resist the need to come to here and talk negative about the Hawkeye staff & program?
Not true. Look at Nick Saban.
Completely HATED spread offenses and the 'direction it is leading' - but he hates losing more than being stuck in his ways... hire Lane Kiffin and they're off and running.
Tom and Terry have been given the information, they just refuse to change.
Some of us have impulse control man.
I think it’s pretty clear after reading some of these posts that the program needs a huge breath of fresh air. We have former athletes confirming what some are seeing from the balcony. We have pieces the new coach can build from.
Where am I talking negative about the staff and program? I worked in a corporate structure for many years and came across many different management and leadership styles in my career. Tom Brands is what I said he is, but that does NOT mean he doesn't do a good or great job. People like Tom bring stability but are not innovative people. Over time, younger innovators have a tendency to nibble away around the edges until one day you wake up and someone is eating you lunch. And that is especially true in business, but can be used for this discussion. You are taking all this too personally. I have heard nothing bad about Tom Brands. Sounds like a great guy to have a beer and shoot pool with.
PedU has a big pot of cash, very much like the years Carver supported the Hawks. New facilities are great but money talks to get all the top rated recruits.
Not really the point, but he doesn't drink alcohol. Maybe a non-alcoholic beer? Or you could have all the beer lol.
good points. unfortunately Tom doesn’t do change because he only believes in one way, therefore the “Iowa Way”. which is why so many recruits do not consider Iowa.you have to WORK extra hard at recruiting when you are playing catch up and that doesn’t fit Tom’s ideology. (if you do not want to come here we are not going to lower ourselves to try to convince you that you are wrong)
FYI - I'm a Penn State alum and probably a lot older than most of the people posting here. I saw Dan Gable win his first NCAA title in our own Rec Hall in 1968, saw him lose to Larry Owings in the finals in 1970 and saw him win the gold medal in Munich in 1972. In fact, I even spoke to him about 45 minutes before he went out to beat the Russian for the gold medal. I'm a huge fan of everything Cael Sanderson is doing at Penn State nowadays, but as things stand at the present, I still feel that Gable has to be considered the greatest college wrestling coach of all time. For now. Sanderson may take over that title in the future.
That being said, I'd like to throw some additional information out there for everyone to think about. I don't know how much it will affect everyone's thinking on the current topic, but it's something I haven't forgotten in over 35 years. I was at the 1988 NCAA tournament at Iowa State, and the awards for each weight class were given during the finals after the final match for the next highest weight had finished. Every time an Iowa wrestler stood on the podium for placing, Gable walked up to the podium after the awards were given and personally congratulated his wrestler. He then walked with his guy over to the spot where the Iowa crowd was seated while talking to him the whole time. I'm sure he had something very personal to say in the process. He was the only coach who did that for the awards, and I have never forgotten it. It told me that he must have had a very close rapport with each of his guys.
Are Brands & Brands doing anything similar? Have you guys seen them do things that indicate they have a close rapport with their wrestlers? (I doubt that badgering a reluctant lightweight into doing a lateral drop is the right approach.) If something is lacking at this level, it might be a clue to where some change is needed.
That being said, I'd like to throw some additional information out there for everyone to think about. I don't know how much it will affect everyone's thinking on the current topic, but it's something I haven't forgotten in over 35 years. I was at the 1988 NCAA tournament at Iowa State, and the awards for each weight class were given during the finals after the final match for the next highest weight had finished. Every time an Iowa wrestler stood on the podium for placing, Gable walked up to the podium after the awards were given and personally congratulated his wrestler. He then walked with his guy over to the spot where the Iowa crowd was seated while talking to him the whole time. I'm sure he had something very personal to say in the process. He was the only coach who did that for the awards, and I have never forgotten it. It told me that he must have had a very close rapport with each of his guys.
Are Brands & Brands doing anything similar? Have you guys seen them do things that indicate they have a close rapport with their wrestlers? (I doubt that badgering a reluctant lightweight into doing a lateral drop is the right approach.) If something is lacking at this level, it might be a clue to where some change is needed.
They have a close rapport with the guys. Especially Terry.
I remember Teske or Brands talking about recruiting Teske when he entered the portal. Brands asked him if he was ready to be a Hawk? That was basically the extent of the conversation. I think that is how they generally recruit. If you want to be a Hawk, then you will be . If you do not want to be Hawk, then they will never be able to talk you into it, so they do not try.
Brands even spoke about Nolf. He said that he thought they had him, but Sanderson does not give up. That sounds like they are not willing or able to play the recruiting game very well.
I can say that the Hawks seem very different from the outside looking in than they do when you get to meet the actual kids on the team. The kids are awesome or at least the ones I have met.
Brands even spoke about Nolf. He said that he thought they had him, but Sanderson does not give up. That sounds like they are not willing or able to play the recruiting game very well.
I can say that the Hawks seem very different from the outside looking in than they do when you get to meet the actual kids on the team. The kids are awesome or at least the ones I have met.
Right. And he could have wrestled anywhere, and chose to walk-on.
When is Iowa going to wake up and hire Doug Schwab as their next HC? Thats your guy. He will get it done.
I was responding to those who were skeptical of what walhberg was saying.
Plus the conversation evolved into other topics that I thought apropos to comment on.
If you made a donation earmarked for Iowa wrestling, no matter large or small, you'd get apersonal thank letter from Gable. No form letter - a real letter Gable composed and signed. I've got manner of them. He stopped at nothing to support every aspect of Iowa wrestling. It is no wonder he was so successful.
A little story (maybe some of you haven't heard it). When Bobby Douglas arrived at Iowa State in 1992, he was at the office before 6:00 am for his first day of work and decided to phone Gable to let him know he serious about busting his butt in his new coaching job and was going to outwork him. He phoned Gable at home - Kathy answered, Bobby asked to speak to Dan. She told him he had already left for work an hour earlier to catch a plane to meet with a recruit.
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In case you guys don’t know, once you graduate from any college, you are no longer eligible to be on an Ivy League team. That info comes from the former AD at Cornell who happens to be a personal friend.
Yes. That’s true.
I believe they give you 4 years to complete 4 seasons, unless you use an Olympic redshirt.
I don’t think Gable coached the way many of you think he did. I thought his most striking characteristic was how open he was to the possibility of improvement and how unafraid he was to consider changing. I think excellence was his highest priority…so high that he wouldn’t allow allegiance to a particular method to move ahead in priority. Despite all his success, he would and does readily state that he should have done things differently. Practices were grueling but not for the purpose of being grueling or serving as some toughness contest. It’s not simple to emulate someone.
I’m not insinuating anything about Brands…just feel like Gable is being mis characterized…and assumptions about “old school” methods are not what truly happened.
I think they need to completely break out of the "Old School Iowa" mold but he does make me wonder. He has had some successful guys and he isn't starting with the cream of the crop plus with way less support and resources. A number of his guys have been pretty offensive and can scramble. He could be like Tom minus the whole we hate everyone and everyone hates us deal. Iowa resources and a coach that doesn't mind running down recruits and to go with that gets along with all the club coaches.
Totally agree! Not a brands clone at all. Great with athletes. Very personable for recruiting! Very likable fair but tough as nails. Good friends with askren too! Hes gotta be in top 5 of all realistic options. He may never become or is a cael but he’s better than what is that Iowa now.
I’d love to hear some clarification on whether this opinion is based on the “eye” or gut test, or in some tangible results you can list.
I told you guys over 10 years ago on this very board exactly why Caels appoach is far superior to the way Brands goes about things. You tried to laugh me off your board.
Yeah yeah....go ahead now and say it never happened.
I told you guys over 10 years ago that Cael's approach can go f*** itself.
That hasn't changed, and it's not a matter of waiting for it to happen, either. It's merely the principle of knowing that his approach can go f*** itself and stop ruining the sport.
You're welcome.
You're a lowlife, dishonorable, POS troll. Nobody here respects you or cares what you say or said. The only time I had the slightest shred of respect for you is when you honored the fact that you are banned from this site and stayed away.
that's my recollection as well. Cornell was in lockdown mode for longer than most and word at the time is that he felt it was hurting him.
Bo goes into some of the stuff you mentioned at app an hour in this podcast in regards to how it’s done at PSU.
You’re getting pushed back for multiple reasons, the first being you claimed to be an Iowa wrestler, I mean a former Iowa wrestler. I have no reason to doubt you and I do believe you which makes your criticisms more pointed and probably more accurate. I would tend to agree with you from what I see from the outside.
However, what you’re laying out is much more than we’ll just recruit harder and change how we train a little bit and voila’ we’re back on top. Nope, what you’re laying out will take an entire restructuring of the program from top to bottom.
That’s difficult because you need to be able to do what you’re laying out and I doubt many people are capable of that outside of Cael then you have to take your lumps for approximately a year or so, possibly regressing a little.
You also have to do it in light of what Penn State is doing right now Which will make it a little bit more difficult now. Things were more of an even playing field with a few schools back in roughly 2010 when Sanderson started at Penn State .
Iowa was obviously doing well, I believe Oklahoma State was challenging back then, and Minnesota was fairly strong. But while the schools were in pretty solid shape, they were vulnerable to a coach like Sanderson restructuring PSU with their inherent advantages. For years Penn State fans were wondering why we didn’t do better at wrestling when we’re in the best recruiting area in the country. I just saw on BWI that Pennsylvania had the most division one NCAA qualifiers this year That was followed by I believe Ohio and New Jersey or New Jersey then Ohio. Three schools at 97 D1 qualifiers right in Penn State’s backyard,
Sanderson dove in at the right time and from what I understand, he called Penn State twice, Tim Curley didn’t call him back the first time. He just thought Sanderson was trying to leverage more money from ISU or something dumb like that. I’m not a big Curley fan, though he did help land Sanderson when they realized he was serious.
Mike Z took some heat for spending more time on Lake Fork chasing 10 lb bass than keeping The Cesspool clean(er). However, I never understood the need to let the vermin back in on his way out the door. Perhaps a parting gift. But the level of moderation seems to have gotten worse.
you are the lamest person on this board (and that's an accomplishment)
you're bragging that you (a psu fan) told everyone carl was a good coach after he won his third straight championship
so glad we had your expertise around
This. It's the biggest problem with Brands - it's how THEY succeeded. And just like all of us fuddy-duddies - we all believe we had it harder than it actually was/is.
try living amongst these false idol worshippers who bumped into Beau at the Dollar Store and are now besties with the insight to determine future Iowa decisions based on that chance encounter....
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