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How the Hawkeyes will beat the Clones on Thurs.

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Shoot the ball as well as they did, tonight, against Western Illinois.

Did WIU beat Wisconsin earlier this year ?

#goHawks


Oh, and Woody needs to keep making steals and Slamma Jammin
 
We need to shoot well and close the lane on defense. Oh, and rebound. We can't rn if we don't rebound. ISU wants to walk it up most of the time.
 
Niang just stated on tv that he is more mature this year. He was sure a punk last year. Let's see if he can act like an adult this time out.
 
hooper56 said:
Guess you missed their game tonight.
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The Buffalo coach told his guys he wanted 4 back after the shot, now if ISU is not a team that looks to run there would be no need to do that.

This was also mentioned by the guys doing the game for ESPN
 
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hooper56 said:
We need to shoot well and close the lane on defense. Oh, and rebound. We can't rn if we don't rebound. ISU wants to walk it up most of the time.
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Please tell me your last sentence is a typo of some sort. Or you could just say "I've never seen ISU play basketball."
 
Who gives a f*ck about the cyclowns and their puck a$$ team. Hawks just need to go in focused, ignore so-called Hilton magic", get iswho players in foul trouble (they have suspect depth), and win the game in workmanlike fashion.
 
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Iowa vs Iowa State in Hilton could be one heck of a game. KenPom has Iowa State #13 and Iowa #19 tonight. It is fair to say Iowa State is favored, but then, that's why the games are played.

If I were a Clone fan, aside from wishing I were dead, I'd be concerned with State's 7-0 record that amounts to wins over teams currently ranked 49, 339, 103,132, 90, 114, 164. A 6 point win over #49 Colorado, and an 11 point win over #90 Illinois.

Meanwhile, Iowa has played games against teams ranked 237, 342, 81, 42, 27, 40, 35, 192, 177. That's two more games, an away game and three on a neutral court. (Important as Iowa is traveling) We lost on a neutral court to #42 Dayton by 5, and #27 Notre Dame by 6. But we clobbered #40 Wichita State by 23, beat #35 FSU, and trounced #81 Marquette by 28 points.

The way I see it, yes ISU should be favored, but these instate rivalries have a way of turning out strange.

The question to me is does the Iowa team that lost two close games show up, playing great only part of the game. Or does the team that destroyed Marquette play a whole game like that again? Well see.
 
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DanL53 said:
Iowa vs Iowa State in Hilton could be one heck of a game. KenPom has Iowa State #13 and Iowa #19 tonight. It is fair to say Iowa State is favored, but then, that's why the games are played.

If I were a Clone fan, aside from wishing I were dead, I'd be concerned with State's 7-0 record that amounts to wins over teams currently ranked 49, 339, 103,132, 90, 114, 164. A 6 point win over #49 Colorado, and an 11 point win over #90 Illinois.

Meanwhile, Iowa has played games against teams ranked 237, 342, 81, 42, 27, 40, 35, 192, 177. That's two more games, an away game and three on a neutral court. (Important as Iowa is traveling) We lost on a neutral court to #42 Dayton by 5, and #27 Notre Dame by 6. But we clobbered #40 Wichita State by 23, beat #35 FSU, and trounced #81 Marquette by 28 points.

The way I see it, yes ISU should be favored, but these instate rivalries have a way of turning out strange.

The question to me is does the Iowa team that lost two close games show up, playing great only part of the game. Or does the team that destroyed Marquette play a whole game like that again? Well see.
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Thinking, ISU still adjusting to new coach, they have not played a great game yet this year. Probably have not even played a very good one.
Defense is better than last year and more focus on it, and they may have lost a game by now had that not improved.

2 teams with lots of seniors leadership in the starting 5. Both like to run, both like to shoot the 3.

ISU focus seems to increase based on the name on the opponents jersey. Guessing Iowa has their attention which is probably what the doctor ordered for ISU at this point in the season.

Last year ISU's M.O. seems was to fall behind big and then go on big runs. This year so far games are close, then ISU hits teams with a run in the 2nd half.

Hilton can be a big advantage, but Iowa has several seniors so might not be as big as it can be.
Should be fun.
 
DanL53 said:
Iowa vs Iowa State in Hilton could be one heck of a game. KenPom has Iowa State #13 and Iowa #19 tonight. It is fair to say Iowa State is favored, but then, that's why the games are played.

If I were a Clone fan, aside from wishing I were dead, I'd be concerned with State's 7-0 record that amounts to wins over teams currently ranked 49, 339, 103,132, 90, 114, 164. A 6 point win over #49 Colorado, and an 11 point win over #90 Illinois.

Meanwhile, Iowa has played games against teams ranked 237, 342, 81, 42, 27, 40, 35, 192, 177. That's two more games, an away game and three on a neutral court. (Important as Iowa is traveling) We lost on a neutral court to #42 Dayton by 5, and #27 Notre Dame by 6. But we clobbered #40 Wichita State by 23, beat #35 FSU, and trounced #81 Marquette by 28 points.

The way I see it, yes ISU should be favored, but these instate rivalries have a way of turning out strange.

The question to me is does the Iowa team that lost two close games show up, playing great only part of the game. Or does the team that destroyed Marquette play a whole game like that again? Well see.
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Definitely a product of their weak schedule :)
 
ISU 89
IA 71

I think its a tight game at half, but ISU is too deep. Its their year to be NCAA champions. After this season they will return to normal. I hope they make a deep run, every year I pick them in the NCAA pool and every year they lose. When I pick against them, then they go deep into the tournament. So last year I picked them to the elite 8 and i Think this year they will get to the Final 4. Good Team, has all the pieces for a championship.

Iowa is good w/starters, but our bench still needs some work. I agree this game will give us an idea where we stand. If we lose by 5-10 I will be shocked. If we lose by 10-20 I wouldn't be surprised. If we get beat by 20-30, then I worry about the Big Ten.
 
DanL53 said:
Iowa vs Iowa State in Hilton could be one heck of a game. KenPom has Iowa State #13 and Iowa #19 tonight. It is fair to say Iowa State is favored, but then, that's why the games are played.

If I were a Clone fan, aside from wishing I were dead, I'd be concerned with State's 7-0 record that amounts to wins over teams currently ranked 49, 339, 103,132, 90, 114, 164. A 6 point win over #49 Colorado, and an 11 point win over #90 Illinois.

Meanwhile, Iowa has played games against teams ranked 237, 342, 81, 42, 27, 40, 35, 192, 177. That's two more games, an away game and three on a neutral court. (Important as Iowa is traveling) We lost on a neutral court to #42 Dayton by 5, and #27 Notre Dame by 6. But we clobbered #40 Wichita State by 23, beat #35 FSU, and trounced #81 Marquette by 28 points.

The way I see it, yes ISU should be favored, but these instate rivalries have a way of turning out strange.

The question to me is does the Iowa team that lost two close games show up, playing great only part of the game. Or does the team that destroyed Marquette play a whole game like that again? Well see.
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If Iowa plays defense as poorly as it did for much of the games against Dayton and Notre Dame, it won't be close. It's one thing to come back on neutral floor, it's another to get way behind and try to do it on the road against a good opponent.

Iowa's best chance is to limit run-outs and dunks/layups due to turnovers or fast breaks due to poor shots and force Iowa State to make shots. Cyclones could still be good enough to do just that. But Iowa has zero chance if ISU gets a bunch of run-outs/dunks to get the crowd excited and into it.
 
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Game will be close at half but then ISU will go on like a 15-2 run, a la last year and run away with it.

Just too tough to win at Hilton when we have very little bench.
 
ISU doesn't dig into it's bench very far, so it'll be interesting to see if the new rules affect the game from a fouls stand point. After watching their game last night, lot of wide open 3 looks in the first half that ISU nailed down, definitely need to keep a hand in Niang face on the outside, because he was pumping the set shot when Buffalo didn't man up to him. Iowa tends to give up a lot of wide open 3 looks, so thats my biggest fear of every game played.
 
As a non conference opponent if Iowa wins Thursday night they will be the 3rd team to do so at Hilton in the past five seasons + this season to date.
 
I hope it's a highly competitive game. A few students started lining up to be the first students in the door on Monday night and by noon Tuesday five tents were set up. Like when Fred was there Prohm and some of the players took pizza to them. I tried to find out how many seats they hold for students but couldn't find it. They had to turn students away from some games last year as there weren't enough seats available.

http://whotv.com/2015/12/08/iowa-state-students-already-in-line-for-cy-hawk-game-thursday/

Still a few tickets available for resale at Ticket Master but a little pricey. $89 to $389.00 and some of them are in row 17 which is the top row in the balcony but still not bad seats.
 
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RockEyeState said:
Yeah, whenever Big Brother comes to town, the Hawkeye Envy gets going early.

:cool: #goHawks
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Do you know what "envy" means? I cannot think of any sane person who would trade ISU's basketball program for Iowa's right now. If we were talking football, totally different situation, obviously.
 
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ISU has not been impressive early on. Their offensive sets seem to have suffered since Hoiberg's departure, and their defense is still sub par. My only concern is Woody getting back on McKay. The only thing he can do is dunk, but he gets a lot of his points off sprinting to the hoop off of made or missed baskets. Could be a case where we see Wagner a lot, who wouldn't have any trouble keeping pace with McKay.
Iowa has a good shot at stealing this game, but looking forward, this is the last time in awhile I see us as the underdog. They're going to lose all of their major contributors after this year (Morris thinks he's turning pro) and Iowa has better recruits coming in for the future along with a better roster for next year. I'd really like to see someone blow a kiss to the crowd if the Hawks can pull off the upset.
 
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They are 7-0 and are averaging 87 points a game? That's not impressive? They beat a good Colorado and Illinois team on neutral floors and were up 32 on VT. Funny people gage their predictions after watching some shit games with Buffalo and Western wherever! Yes, ISU will drop off next year, as will Iowa. Who will be better who knows, you never know who will develop into the college game. And their are ZERO ISU fans that would trade basketball programs, football yes. To think otherwise is pure stupidity.
 
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Floyd7702 said:
They are 7-0 and are averaging 87 points a game? That's not impressive? They beat a good Colorado and Illinois team on neutral floors and were up 32 on VT. Funny people gage their predictions after watching some shit games with Buffalo and Western wherever! Yes, ISU will drop off next year, as will Iowa. Who will be better who knows, you never know who will develop into the college game. And their are ZERO ISU fans that would trade basketball programs, football yes. To think otherwise is pure stupidity.
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They beat a Colorado team that posted 16 wins last year in a weak Pac 12 and lost their leading scorer. Illinois is already 4-5. Virginia Tech won 11 games last year... And these have been their 3 toughest games thus far, so enlighten me as to why we should be impressed by their 7-0 record.
Not that I ever brought up trading programs, but after this year Iowa has three 4* and one 5* committed in the coming years. ISU lost their best recruiting pitch when Hoiberg left, and with more schools going the JUCO and transfer route ISU is going to have to start landing good HS recruits, which they haven't done much of. I'd give the advantage to Iowa moving forward. This year is the last remaining remnant of Hoiball.
 
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Lone Clone said:
Do you know what "envy" means? I cannot think of any sane person who would trade ISU's basketball program for Iowa's right now. If we were talking football, totally different situation, obviously.
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Seemed like he was talking about everything envy for the hawks. Not related to just basketball. It's actually quite weird that is how you deciphered it.
 
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If Iowa plays defense as poorly as it did for much of the games against Dayton and Notre Dame, it won't be close. It's one thing to come back on neutral floor, it's another to get way behind and try to do it on the road against a good opponent.
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This is my primary concern. I think that Iowa matches up very poorly. Who is going to stop Morris? Gesell will struggle with that assignment. Then it will fall on Clemmons. I have a hard time envisioning that Clemmons will be very effective shutting down Morris. When Morris gets his dribble penetration, there will have to be a ton of help from the other defenders. That poses a risk to Woodbury's foul situation. It also will leave ISU shooters open on the perimeter.

Another concern is Gesell's offense versus Morris' defense. Will Gesell be able to effectively lead the attack? I think that Gesell will struggle with this as well.

Finally, who will stop Niang? If Prohm (like Hoiberg) sets up Niang at the center court, spreads the offense and lets Niang attack the basket, who can stop him? Uthoff? Not likely. Its a match-up nightmare. It has the potential to put Iowa in immediate foul trouble. It also has the potential to be a scoring bonanza for Niang in the paint if Iowa tries to avoid foul issues.

I personally think that ISU wins this game easily. And I think that it will jump up early, Hilton will be rocking and it will be a snoozer of a game in the second half. Iowa's key players (Uthoff, Gesell) just don't match up well against ISU's key players (Niang, Morris). I don't anticipate enjoying much of the game at all. I'll watch but I have very little in the way of expectations. Truly hope that I'm wrong . . . it will likely take a sharpshooting exhibition from Iowa to stay competitive. On the road. In an incredibly hostile environment. Not seeing it . . .
 
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Seemed like he was talking about everything envy for the hawks. Not related to just basketball. It's actually quite weird that is how you deciphered it.
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Well, I was fooled by the fact it was in a thread about basketball on a basketball board. I shoulda knowed better.
 
They can't fall behind like they did against ND and Dayton early. Need to start strong to have a chance.

I will be interested to see if Fran shortens the bench for this one. Maybe only Uhl, Ellingson, and Baer come off the bench.
 
JRHawk2003 said:
They can't fall behind like they did against ND and Dayton early. Need to start strong to have a chance.

I will be interested to see if Fran shortens the bench for this one. Maybe only Uhl, Ellingson, and Baer come off the bench.
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Wagner is without a doubt the best defender for McKay on our roster - and he represents the biggest mismatch. Fran isn't always the best at rotations, but this should be a no-brainer.
 
iowaguy88 said:
Wagner is without a doubt the best defender for McKay on our roster - and he represents the biggest mismatch. Fran isn't always the best at rotations, but this should be a no-brainer.
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I forgot Wagner, my bad. Baer would be the one I could see not playing much.
 
RockEyeState said:
Shoot the ball as well as they did, tonight, against Western Illinois.

Did WIU beat Wisconsin earlier this year ?

#goHawks


Oh, and Woody needs to keep making steals and Slamma Jammin
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yes because Iowa so often wins in Ames even when ISU has a subpar team. 2003 is calling you...it's the last time the Hawks won in Hilton.
 
Floyd7702 said:
They are 7-0 and are averaging 87 points a game? That's not impressive? They beat a good Colorado and Illinois team on neutral floors and were up 32 on VT. Funny people gage their predictions after watching some shit games with Buffalo and Western wherever! Yes, ISU will drop off next year, as will Iowa. Who will be better who knows, you never know who will develop into the college game. And their are ZERO ISU fans that would trade basketball programs, football yes. To think otherwise is pure stupidity.
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Let's see what prom boy does after the is year. Can you say Wayne Morgan? I can.
 
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