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Canada’s two largest railroads shut down early Thursday in response to a labor dispute that could have dire consequences for North America’s economy, threatening deliveries of cars, timber, petroleum products, grain and other crucial supplies.

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The Canadian Pacific Kansas City railroad and the Canadian National Railway locked out Teamsters union members at 12:01 a.m. after they failed to reach a deal with Teamsters Canada Rail Conference on a contract late Wednesday, despite days of heated negotiations.

The Canadian government has rejected calls to intervene, but Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Wednesday urged parties to “get to a resolution.”

The Teamsters say the railways are requesting that the union make concessions “on crew scheduling, rail safety, and fatigue management” — echoing union concerns at the heart of a threatened 2022 rail strike in the United States. Meanwhile, the railroads say they have offered significant pay increases and addressed concerns about scheduling.


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Teamsters Canada, which represents nearly 10,000 rail workers at the two companies, has been without contracts at the companies since the end of 2023.
The fallout of a Canadian rail strike could be far-reaching in the United States and Canada. Businesses have warned of “devastating consequences” that could trigger inflated prices and supply-chain shortages across North America and beyond. The U.S. railway Union Pacific has said a shutdown would sideline more than 2,500 railcars that normally cross the U.S.-Canada border each day, according to a company document reviewed by The Washington Post.

This week, in a letter addressed to President Joe Biden as well as other U.S. and Canadian officials, dozens of trade associations, including the American Farm Bureau Federation and the National Cotton Council, said a rail shutdown would trigger “harmful consequences for Canadian and American agricultural producers, the agricultural industry, and both domestic and global food security.”

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Each day of a work stoppage would require three to five days for the railroads to recover, said Jonathan Abecassis, a Canadian National spokesman.
The strike will also have major implications for travelers on Canada’s passenger rail lines, forcing tens of thousands of commuters in Canada’s three largest cities to find alternate transportation.

The railroads started winding down operations this week in anticipation of a shutdown. Shipments of perishable and hazardous products — such as frozen food, propane and chlorine used to purify water — had been halted to avoid stranding dangerous or spoilable products. The companies in recent days began stopping rail shipments that start in Canada, as well as those originating in the United States and headed for Canada. Now that massive flow of goods has screeched to a complete halt.

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Murad Al-Katib, chief executive of AGT Foods, one of the world’s largest suppliers of staple foods such as beans and wheat, said food supply chains would be “immediately disrupted,” noting that many commodities — such as peas, lentils, chickpeas and durum wheat used for pasta — travel across the Canadian border to U.S. processing and packaging facilities.

“This is a disastrous outcome that’s going to lead to higher prices and processing plants shutting down,” Al-Katib said.

Some companies have made contingency plans to transport goods by truck, but logistics experts say truckers will not be able to meet the excess demand.
The Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen, one of the largest U.S. rail unions, which is affiliated with the Teamsters, has told some 51,000 stateside members that they can refuse to cross any picket lines operated by Canadian rail workers, according to a copy of the letter obtained by The Post.

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Canadian Pacific Kansas City served a lockout notice to the union on Aug. 9. Then the union on Sunday issued a strike notice to the company. Separately, Canadian National issued the union a lockout notice on Sunday.

The Teamsters said the railroads are demanding “grueling on-call schedules” and concessions around worker scheduling and safety provisions, “regardless of the risks” as the railroads face worker shortages. Canadian National is also forcing workers to relocate across the country for months at a time to combat understaffing, the union said. The union said it does not want to make sacrifices on its workers’ availability or relocations.
Paul Boucher, president of Teamsters Canada Rail Conference, said in a statement on Thursday that the companies “have shown themselves willing to compromise rail safety and tear families apart to earn an extra buck,” adding that “their sole focus is boosting their bottom line, even if it means jeopardizing the entire economy.”


Both rail companies said they’ve made generous offers to the union.

Canadian National said in a statement Thursday that the company “had no choice but to finalize a safe and orderly shutdown and proceed with a lockout,” adding that the union had “not shown any urgency or desire to reach a deal that is good for employees, the company and the economy.”
Patrick Waldron, a spokesman for Canadian Pacific Kansas City, said in a statement Tuesday that the railway had offered “significant wage increases” but had withdrawn an improvement intended to address the union’s concerns about scheduling because of union leadership’s opposition to that offer.
Rail transport carries billions of dollars in goods between Canada and the United States every month, according to the U.S. Transportation Department. Roughly 30 percent of all freight rail operations in Canada cross into the United States each year, the Association of American Railroads said.
In 2022, Congress and Biden intervened in a dispute between U.S. railways and unions about concerns similar to those reported by Canadian rail workers, such as severe understaffing and grueling schedules, forcing a deal that averted a strike.
 
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Canada’s two largest railroads shut down early Thursday in response to a labor dispute that could have dire consequences for North America’s economy, threatening deliveries of cars, timber, petroleum products, grain and other crucial supplies.

Get a curated selection of 10 of our best stories in your inbox every weekend.

The Canadian Pacific Kansas City railroad and the Canadian National Railway locked out Teamsters union members at 12:01 a.m. after they failed to reach a deal with Teamsters Canada Rail Conference on a contract late Wednesday, despite days of heated negotiations.

The Canadian government has rejected calls to intervene, but Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Wednesday urged parties to “get to a resolution.”

The Teamsters say the railways are requesting that the union make concessions “on crew scheduling, rail safety, and fatigue management” — echoing union concerns at the heart of a threatened 2022 rail strike in the United States. Meanwhile, the railroads say they have offered significant pay increases and addressed concerns about scheduling.


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Teamsters Canada, which represents nearly 10,000 rail workers at the two companies, has been without contracts at the companies since the end of 2023.
The fallout of a Canadian rail strike could be far-reaching in the United States and Canada. Businesses have warned of “devastating consequences” that could trigger inflated prices and supply-chain shortages across North America and beyond. The U.S. railway Union Pacific has said a shutdown would sideline more than 2,500 railcars that normally cross the U.S.-Canada border each day, according to a company document reviewed by The Washington Post.

This week, in a letter addressed to President Joe Biden as well as other U.S. and Canadian officials, dozens of trade associations, including the American Farm Bureau Federation and the National Cotton Council, said a rail shutdown would trigger “harmful consequences for Canadian and American agricultural producers, the agricultural industry, and both domestic and global food security.”

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Each day of a work stoppage would require three to five days for the railroads to recover, said Jonathan Abecassis, a Canadian National spokesman.
The strike will also have major implications for travelers on Canada’s passenger rail lines, forcing tens of thousands of commuters in Canada’s three largest cities to find alternate transportation.

The railroads started winding down operations this week in anticipation of a shutdown. Shipments of perishable and hazardous products — such as frozen food, propane and chlorine used to purify water — had been halted to avoid stranding dangerous or spoilable products. The companies in recent days began stopping rail shipments that start in Canada, as well as those originating in the United States and headed for Canada. Now that massive flow of goods has screeched to a complete halt.

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Murad Al-Katib, chief executive of AGT Foods, one of the world’s largest suppliers of staple foods such as beans and wheat, said food supply chains would be “immediately disrupted,” noting that many commodities — such as peas, lentils, chickpeas and durum wheat used for pasta — travel across the Canadian border to U.S. processing and packaging facilities.

“This is a disastrous outcome that’s going to lead to higher prices and processing plants shutting down,” Al-Katib said.

Some companies have made contingency plans to transport goods by truck, but logistics experts say truckers will not be able to meet the excess demand.
The Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen, one of the largest U.S. rail unions, which is affiliated with the Teamsters, has told some 51,000 stateside members that they can refuse to cross any picket lines operated by Canadian rail workers, according to a copy of the letter obtained by The Post.

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Canadian Pacific Kansas City served a lockout notice to the union on Aug. 9. Then the union on Sunday issued a strike notice to the company. Separately, Canadian National issued the union a lockout notice on Sunday.

The Teamsters said the railroads are demanding “grueling on-call schedules” and concessions around worker scheduling and safety provisions, “regardless of the risks” as the railroads face worker shortages. Canadian National is also forcing workers to relocate across the country for months at a time to combat understaffing, the union said. The union said it does not want to make sacrifices on its workers’ availability or relocations.
Paul Boucher, president of Teamsters Canada Rail Conference, said in a statement on Thursday that the companies “have shown themselves willing to compromise rail safety and tear families apart to earn an extra buck,” adding that “their sole focus is boosting their bottom line, even if it means jeopardizing the entire economy.”


Both rail companies said they’ve made generous offers to the union.

Canadian National said in a statement Thursday that the company “had no choice but to finalize a safe and orderly shutdown and proceed with a lockout,” adding that the union had “not shown any urgency or desire to reach a deal that is good for employees, the company and the economy.”
Patrick Waldron, a spokesman for Canadian Pacific Kansas City, said in a statement Tuesday that the railway had offered “significant wage increases” but had withdrawn an improvement intended to address the union’s concerns about scheduling because of union leadership’s opposition to that offer.
Rail transport carries billions of dollars in goods between Canada and the United States every month, according to the U.S. Transportation Department. Roughly 30 percent of all freight rail operations in Canada cross into the United States each year, the Association of American Railroads said.
In 2022, Congress and Biden intervened in a dispute between U.S. railways and unions about concerns similar to those reported by Canadian rail workers, such as severe understaffing and grueling schedules, forcing a deal that averted a strike.
Not to worry...kamala is on this like a hard, throbbing, purple helmet with a promotion wrapped around the head!! No wonder she's MIA at the DNC......
 
Weak men create hard times.

The Teamsters or the management team of Canadian National and Canadian Pacific? Or both? I suspect each group thinks they are displaying strength as opposed to weakness by not caving into the demands of each other. That said, no one knows negotiations better than you, so perhaps you could explain the Alpha perspective?
 
The Teamsters or the management team of Canadian National and Canadian Pacific? Or both? I suspect each group thinks they are displaying strength as opposed to weakness by not caving into the demands of each other. That said, no one knows negotiations better than you, so perhaps you could explain the Alpha perspective?
The Canadian government has rejected calls to intervene, but Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Wednesday urged parties to “get to a resolution.”
 
The Canadian government has rejected calls to intervene, but Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Wednesday urged parties to “get to a resolution.”

So a strong man would use the power of the government to intervene in private, free market, enterprise? What sort of intervention power do you think the government should have? What other sort of powers do you think governments should have? Control of all fossil fuel production?

Still like to think of yourself as a conservative?
 
So a strong man would use the power of the government to intervene in private, free market, enterprise? What sort of intervention power do you think the government should have? What other sort of powers do you think governments should have? Control of all fossil fuel production?

Still like to think of yourself as a conservative?
A strong man would have brought them together under his roof and said figure It out boys.

Not, "hope the get it done".
 
A strong man would have brought them together under his roof and said figure It out boys.

Not, "hope the get it done".

You sure put a lot of faith in government authorities. Some people feel otherwise, that the government doesn't always know best and should stay out of private matters. That said, given your fixations, I'm sure you don't see any issue with screaming about Venezuela, and Marxists while simultaneously advocating for a strongman government executive to get involved.

And so fitting in your clown persona, in a story about feud between a union and two private companies, your take away is about the Prime Minister and it comes down to this: "figure it out boys" = strength; "hope they get it done" = weakness. Bravo.
 
You sure put a lot of faith in government authorities. Some people feel otherwise, that the government doesn't always know best and should stay out of private matters. That said, given your fixations, I'm sure you don't see any issue with screaming about Venezuela, and Marxists while simultaneously advocating for a strongman government executive to get involved.

And so fitting in your clown persona, in a story about feud between a union and two private companies, your take away is about the Prime Minister and it comes down to this: "figure it out boys" = strength; "hope they get it done" = weakness. Bravo.
I put faith in men being able to sit down and say quite being pussies and get a deal done.
 
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You sure put a lot of faith in government authorities. Some people feel otherwise, that the government doesn't always know best and should stay out of private matters. That said, given your fixations, I'm sure you don't see any issue with screaming about Venezuela, and Marxists while simultaneously advocating for a strongman government executive to get involved.

And so fitting in your clown persona, in a story about feud between a union and two private companies, your take away is about the Prime Minister and it comes down to this: "figure it out boys" = strength; "hope they get it done" = weakness. Bravo.
there's a situation that has some kind of tangential relationship to a male liberal politician...so that guy must be weak

asking for any explanation beyond that is like asking your dog to explain the internet
 
I put faith in men being able to sit down and say quite being pussies and get a deal done.

I know, I know, strength and Alpha. But when it comes to understanding, you're like an innocent child. Sure, some would call it plain ignorance but I think there's something precious - and amusing - in the idea that you actually believe what you type.
 
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Canada Orders Arbitration After Labor Dispute Halts Rail Freight​

The move will end a shutdown that had threatened to disrupt trade with the United States and other countries, as well as cause serious economic consequences within Canada.

Less than 17 hours after almost all rail freight traffic in Canada came to a standstill early Thursday after the country’s two main rail companies locked out about 10,000 employees, the federal government ordered arbitration with the workers’ union, which will end the shutdown.

The lockout had threatened to cause supply-chain disruptions in the United States and serious economic consequences within Canada. The moves followed months of contract talks that had failed to reach an agreement.

Steve MacKinnon, Canada’s labor minister, said at a news conference in Ottawa on Thursday that he had told the Canada Industrial Relations Board to formally order the railways to restart service. He said that process would most likely take “a few days.”

He also told the labor board to extend the contracts between the Teamsters Canada Rail Conference — the union that represents the workers locked out of their jobs — and the railway companies: Canadian National and Canadian Pacific Kansas City. The contracts expired at the end of the last year.

Last week, the two railway companies had asked Mr. MacKinnon to impose arbitration to in advance of a Thursday’s deadline for a strike or lockout. Mr. MacKinnon turned them down then but said on Thursday that the situation had changed.

“We gave negotiations every possible opportunity to succeed,” Mr. MacKinnon said. “But we have an impasse here.”

The short lockout did not affect Canadian National’s extensive operations in the United States or Canadian Pacific Kansas City’s lines in the United States and Mexico.

About 6,500 containers enter the United States by rail from Canada every day, according to the Railway Association of Canada, an industry lobbying group. That includes cargo from Asia and Europe that lands in Canadian ports.

For Canada’s export-dependent economy, a prolonged shutdown could have brought severe economic repercussions. The railway association estimates that half of all Canadian exports are moved on trains and that railroads carried 380 billion Canadian dollars, about $279 billion, worth of goods during 2022.

The effect on intercity passenger trains, which mostly use Canadian National’s tracks, and on commuter lines was less pronounced on Thursday. And while the railways move grains and other farm products for global export, they transport relatively few of the food products found in Canadian grocery stores.

The two companies’ labor contracts previously expired on alternating years, which avoided a near-total rail shutdown. But to accommodate changing federal regulations, Canadian National secured a one-year extension of its last agreement. The contracts with both companies expired at the end of last year. Negotiations began last September.

The main points of contention for the railway workers appear to be scheduling, work hours and fatigue management. Hunter Harrison, a longtime American railway executive who ran both railways at separate times, introduced a system known as precision-scheduled railroading. To boost efficiency, he put trains on rigid, consistent schedules and cut back on equipment and employees through steps like running extremely long trains.

His approach bolstered profits, and the legacy of Mr. Harrison, who died in 2017, remains significantly intact at both railways.

In June, the Teamsters Canada Rail Conference said the two railways were “trying to squeeze even more availability” out of workers. It said that would mean “train crews would be forced to stay awake even longer, increasing the risk of derailments and other accidents.”

“The railroads don’t care about farmers, small businesses, supply chains or their own employees,” Paul Boucher, the union’s president, said in a statement on Thursday. “Their sole focus is boosting their bottom line, even if it means jeopardizing the entire economy.”

Canadian National said in a recent statement that it had proposed “a modernized agreement that improved safety, wages and work/life balance.” Canadian Pacific Kansas City said its offer “maintains the status quo for all work rules,” adding that it “fully complies with new regulatory requirements for rest and does not in any way compromise safety.”
 
I put faith in men being able to sit down and say quite being pussies and get a deal done.

Yeah, no. I can tell you some stories about what goes on in management/union meetings when things are more heated than usual. With and without arbitration in place. The government stepping in sometimes is the only way to force progress in these situations. As well as to keep critical functions moving.
 
Yeah, no. I can tell you some stories about what goes on in management/union meetings when things are more heated than usual. With and without arbitration in place. The government stepping in sometimes is the only way to force progress in these situations. As well as to keep critical functions moving.
That's what I'm saying.
 
I have beefs with my union. But, I also have beefs with my company. Your post far too simplistic to be taken seriously. Why speak in absolutes?

"Work stoppages" should be illegal. You want to stop working? Fine. We'll hire someone who wants to work.

Picketing on your own time? I'll allow that, as long as you don't harass the scabs or the customers.
 
"Work stoppages" should be illegal. You want to stop working? Fine. We'll hire someone who wants to work.

Picketing on your own time? I'll allow that, as long as you don't harass the scabs or the customers.

They won't though, because they can't. It takes a long time for even a simple trackman to get up to speed on rules, specs, tools, safety, etc. Nevermind higher jobs that require a great deal more knowledge and experience.
 
They won't though, because they can't. It takes a long time for even a simple trackman to get up to speed on rules, specs, tools, safety, etc. Nevermind higher jobs that require a great deal more knowledge and experience.

There are other railroad companies who have qualified employees.
 
No. It's all about seniority. I'm saying that as someone in the railroad industry who knows about the differences in pay among the Class 1 railroads. Across jobs. It's not much.

Then how does the union justify increasing wages and benefits if it's the same deal everywhere? That's just extortion at that point.
 
Canadian bacon is overrated. Much like too many pretzels in a snack mix, it's just plain-favored filler material.
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The railroad unions and the workers that YOU said get the same deal everywhere, so why would they jump ship and take a job under attack from the union.

Answer me this: If you were representing a group of workers as a voted in employee of their union, would you fight for the best wages and benefits for them?
 
Answer me this: If you were representing a group of workers as a voted in employee of their union, would you fight for the best wages and benefits for them?

Oh, sure. If I was a union boss I'd fight like hell because that's my job.

But if I was a worker, I wouldn't want anything to do with the union. Because in a union, I can't be recognized for performance if I go above and beyond. I'm going to be paid the same as the biggest slacker. Only seniority is allowed to be recognized.

Great for slackers... not great for people who want to advance their careers.
 
I listened to a speaker one time at a contractors convention in Des Moines and he spoke about a lot of different things, but as a side note he just kind of ended with one final thought if you will and it was "unions should be used as a tool, not a weapon."

That stuck with me and I always thought it was well said.

(not saying this story is one or the other or what have, I just liked that statement)
 
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