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A federal judge has ordered the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development to implement an Obama-era rule on Jan. 1 that would give low-income families greater access to housing in more affluent neighborhoods.

The 2016 rule was designed to break up areas of concentrated poverty in two dozen metro regions, from Atlanta and Charlotte to San Diego and Honolulu.

It would operate by taking into account the rental prices in specific neighborhoods — instead of averaging across an entire metropolitan area — making it easier for poor people to afford apartments in middle-class neighborhoods with better schools, lower crime rates and more job opportunities.


Under the current system, families receiving public rental assistance have been concentrated in deeply segregated, high-poverty communities.

A coalition of civil rights organizations sued the Trump administration in October after HUD Secretary Ben Carson announced that the agency would delay implementing the rule by nearly two years to allow the new administration time to fully understand its effects. Housing industry groups, including the National Association of Home Builders, lobbied against the rule, arguing that it would lead to disinvestment in inner city neighborhoods.

Chief Judge Beryl A. Howell, appointed to the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia by President Barack Obama, ruled on Dec. 23that HUD’s decision to delay implementing the rule was “arbitrary and capricious.” She said the agency failed to show sufficient reason for a pause, and that a delay would irreparably harm the plaintiffs: a Hartford, Conn., mother of five and a Chicago mother trying to move their families to safer suburban communities.

“It’s long overdue that our federal government remedy the massive disparities in wealth and education its policies continue to produce, and modest rules like this one play an integral role in leveling the playing field for blacks, Latinos, and low-income Americans,” Sherrilyn Ifill, president and director-counsel of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, said in a statement.

The NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund was among the half-dozen groups that challenged HUD’s efforts to delay the rule. “Suspending this rule was yet another attack by this administration on communities of color,” Ifill said. “By restoring the prior rule, this injunction is a key step toward expanding equal opportunity in all aspects of American life.”

[What Ben Carson gets wrong about segregation in America]

A spokesman for HUD declined to comment this week on Howell’s decision. In an August blog post, the agency said it was trying to give local public housing agencies more time to prepare before it mandated the changes.

More than 200,000 families in two dozen communities will now have greater choices about where to live, said Philip Tegeler, president and executive director of the Poverty & Race Research Action Council, which was also part of the lawsuit.

“This represents a new opportunity for tens of thousands of families with housing vouchers,” Tegeler said. “It’s about the right to choose where to live and the right not to be segregated. Good housing policy does not confine families to high poverty neighborhoods.”

Families with incomes low enough to receive Section 8 vouchers have little say over where to live because it is generally left up to individual landlords whether to accept the housing vouchers. And those vouchers are often too low to cover rent in more affluent neighborhoods, relegating families to clusters of apartments in poor, highly segregated areas.

The new rule addressing that problem was issued in November 2016 by then-HUD Secretary Julián Castro after years of study and public debate.

Housing agencies in 23 metro areas will now be required to adopt “small area fair market rents,” which tie voucher subsidies to specific Zip codes. It would, in essence, redistribute the value of Section 8 rental vouchers, providing higher government subsidies for apartments in more expensive communities and lower subsidies for units in poor neighborhoods.

Such a rule was first rolled out in Dallas in 2010 as part of a fair housing settlement. Since then, pilot programs have been instituted in Chattanooga, Tenn.; Laredo, Tex.; Long Beach, Calif.; Cook County, Ill.; and Mamaroneck, N.Y.

Studies have shown that moving low-income families into wealthier communities results in better lives for their children, who are eventually more likely to attend college, earn more money, and reside in better neighborhoods as adults.

But Carson has dismissed other government interventions to desegregate communities as “social engineering.”

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The 23 affected metropolitan areas are:

Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, Ga.

Bergen-Passaic, N.J.

Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill, N.C.-S.C.

Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, Ill.

Colorado Springs

Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach-Deerfield Beach, Fla.

Fort Worth-Arlington, Tex.

Gary, Ind.

Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, Conn.

Jackson, Miss.

Jacksonville, Fla.

Monmouth-Ocean, N.J.

North Port-Bradenton-Sarasota, Fla.

Palm Bay-Melbourne-Titusville, Fla.

Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, Pa.-N.J.-Del.-Md.

Pittsburgh

Sacramento — Arden-Arcade — Roseville, Calif.

San Antonio-New Braunfels, Tex.

San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, Calif.

Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, Fla.

Honolulu

Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, D.C.-Va.-Md.

West Palm Beach-Boca Raton-Delray Beach, Fla.

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They better not move next to me! :mad:

I looked at some of those low income apartment complexes..........why can't these people just find relatives like I have that bought a house as an investment and charge me a decent rent that I can afford? I mean, sure they could make a few more bucks but then I'd be around those meth addicts and worse.......

.......gosh this feels good. Kind of like I'm better than someone else.
 
Why is anyone homeless with our government's largess?

Lots of Hippies/Liberals made bad decisions in the 60's.

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They're sorry now and would like " the man " to cover their azzes.
 
I have actually seen this in action. The neighborhood I live in here in Cooper City (Monterra) was developed from 2009 until roughly 2014. In order to build estate homes on the last plot of land, the developer was required to build income restricted apartments on the corner of the property. The apartment building is beautiful by the way. The tenants of this building were required to have access to our clubhouse. That means the gate codes were giving for access on the sidewalks. They were not however giving gate passes through the security gate.

At first we saw zero impact but in the last year, the amount of crime in our gated community has skyrocketed. roughly 30 cars stolen and the number of break ins probably tripled that. The clubhouse used to have general access but now we have security cards and we can only bring 1 guest per person. The basketball courts are now restricted. (that was a big issue).

Most of the houses along the entrance by the apartment have security cameras on their property and in their doorbells. Videos are shared almost weekly of packs of kids roaming the streets around 3am looking into cars. It shows them going right over to the gate and walking out with backpacks full.
 
Cedar Rapids has been impacted negatively by this as well. It had its pockets when I was growing up, but now it’s just gone to shit in huge areas.
 
We need to scrap that fence idea along the border. I mean, why protect everyone?

Use the money to build up the gated communities! Make the poors pay for it.
 
Keeping the poor, poor and on the Government dole is not a helping hand up but a hand keeping them down and dependant. Going into more affluant areas is only going to bring property levels down and more ghetto spread. I know that is harsh, but look across the major cities. It doesn't work. I wonder where this Judge lives? I am sure it is a community that is gated and keeps the riff raff out.
 
Keeping the poor, poor and on the Government dole is not a helping hand up but a hand keeping them down and dependant. Going into more affluant areas is only going to bring property levels down and more ghetto spread. I know that is harsh, but look across the major cities. It doesn't work. I wonder where this Judge lives? I am sure it is a community that is gated and keeps the riff raff out.

What is the alternate to a government dole at this point?

You don't really believe there will ever be better paying jobs and enough to keep most Americans employed again, do you?

This is just my doomsday opinion. But I think the Great Monopoly Game called the United States has been played and the winners are clear.

That's great if one could just put the game away but that isn't going to happen.

I know that is harsh but might as well understand what is coming, if I'm right.
 
This is government actually working in the right direction. I think we can all agree this is a good thing.

Do you really think that the resident conservatives are going to agree on that? Moreover do you really think that Trump is going to agree with that.

Didn't he tell a court about a black family who wanted to rent in one of his properties "You wouldn't want to live next to them either". Guarantee he thinks the very same things about this.
 
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Now you know why so many people had to plug their nose and support Moore. America can ill-afford to have judges like this in the judiciary who struggle with basic understanding of laws and precedents by legislating from the bench like in this case. Maybe I'm misinterpreting this, but this ruling looks like Section 8 housing on steroids upon first read. What a disaster to contributing members of society.
 
I tells ya, the CONTRIBUTING members of society shouldn't have to worry about the victims they leave in their wake. Let alone have to live near 'em!
 
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I tells ya, the CONTRIBUTING members of society shouldn't have to worry about the victims they leave in their wake. Let alone have to live near 'em!

If someone to live amongst those of similar social and economic status why shouldn't they be allowed too? And don't make it racial. Black people like to live upscale too.
 
If someone to live amongst those of similar social and economic status why shouldn't they be allowed too? And don't make it racial. Black people like to live upscale too.

I have a daughter who lives in a house in a very nice neighborhood. Bought by the outfit that runs the assisted living for her and her special needs roomies. They encounter people with your mindset all the time. And that's in liberal Iowa City.

Also the town where several residents of a neighborhood complained that a manufactured housing park was expanding. Though the park was there years before their houses were ever built.

The only answer I can give to people with the "Not in my Neighborhood" mindset...is it's a free country. Go set up a gated community, or whatever, but you can't make rules about the property next to you about who buys it! (No I haven't made it racial....but I think you've made it clear you are rather bigoted.) Similar social and economic status. :mad:
 
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I have a daughter who lives in a house in a very nice neighborhood. Both by the outfit that runs the assisted living for her and her special needs roomies. They encounter people with your mindset all the time. And that's in liberal Iowa City.



Also the town where several residents of a neighborhood complained that a manufactured housing park was expanding. Though the park was there years before their houses were ever built.

The only answer I can give to people with the "Not in my Neighborhood" mindset...is it's a free country. Go set up a gated community, or whatever, but you can't make rules about the property next to you and who buys it!


I'm sure you did a fine job raising your daughter and she would be a great neighbor. Not all people are like that. You buy a house in a nice neighborhood then all of a sudden some unsavory people move in and I could see why people would be upset.
 
I'm sure you did a fine job raising your daughter and she would be a great neighbor. Not all people are like that. You buy a house in a nice neighborhood then all of a sudden some unsavory people move in and I could see why people would be upset.

But who gets to decide who makes a great neighbor? People think she is unsavory. People think I'm unsavory. In fact, right now, I'm sure there are neighborhoods where you would be unsavory.

The problem is unsavory is expanding. People are noticing but can't understand why their neighborhoods are going downhill.

(Pepsi) I took a tour of Flint, Michigan getting to be a few years ago now. Neighborhoods that were once middle class nice?

Many burnt out shells of houses. Not torn down, not gonna be...allowed to burn as fire department so short handed that the new goal is keep it from spreading.

Why did they burn? Squatters starting fires in another kind of house in the neighborhood. Abandoned homes.

Last kind of house. Surrounded by tall fences and with bars in the doors and windows were these nice little houses with well kept yards and retirees who could not get out from their mortgage and move and now the house was valued as crap. So there they were like little Alamos fighting off the inevitable.

The unsavory? The corporations that moved away from Flint to earn more profit for a shareholders at the cost of leaving a third world behind.

And THOSE little third world people like to try to get out.
 
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Do you really think that the resident conservatives are going to agree on that? Moreover do you really think that Trump is going to agree with that.

Didn't he tell a court about a black family who wanted to rent in one of his properties "You wouldn't want to live next to them either". Guarantee he thinks the very same things about this.
I don't believe it for a second.
 
I have actually seen this in action. The neighborhood I live in here in Cooper City (Monterra) was developed from 2009 until roughly 2014. In order to build estate homes on the last plot of land, the developer was required to build income restricted apartments on the corner of the property. The apartment building is beautiful by the way. The tenants of this building were required to have access to our clubhouse. That means the gate codes were giving for access on the sidewalks. They were not however giving gate passes through the security gate.

At first we saw zero impact but in the last year, the amount of crime in our gated community has skyrocketed. roughly 30 cars stolen and the number of break ins probably tripled that. The clubhouse used to have general access but now we have security cards and we can only bring 1 guest per person. The basketball courts are now restricted. (that was a big issue).

Most of the houses along the entrance by the apartment have security cameras on their property and in their doorbells. Videos are shared almost weekly of packs of kids roaming the streets around 3am looking into cars. It shows them going right over to the gate and walking out with backpacks full.

Now you're getting to see what the country is really like. You thought you could pay your way out of reality (understandable). How many of those new residents have you or your neighbors invited over for a BBQ or just dinner and watching Netflix?
 
How about a federal rule (our a 9th circuit court ruling) requiring 50% of NBA and NFL roster be randomly selected white guys. Can't we even all the playing fields. And, don't go telling me blacks are superior athletes you racists.
 
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Now you're getting to see what the country is really like. You thought you could pay your way out of reality (understandable). How many of those new residents have you or your neighbors invited over for a BBQ or just dinner and watching Netflix?

Once again if I just wait for Eternal Return he says what I'm trying to say, and uses better words and grammar.
 
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Now you're getting to see what the country is really like. You thought you could pay your way out of reality (understandable). How many of those new residents have you or your neighbors invited over for a BBQ or just dinner and watching Netflix?
many of them have invited themselves into our homes and our cars. Unfortunately it was at 3am when we were sleeping or out of town.
 
Seems to me your neighborhood is doing a really lousy job of employing your second amendment remedies.
That has actually been a topic on our Facebook page. Horrified that there will be a shooting in the community. The police started patrolling in the neighborhood and would stop people on the sidewalks at night. That led to an all out racism debacle in our HOA meeting because it appears that a large chunk of the people out walking around after 11pm where minorities. People lost their minds and the police were told to not drive through the neighborhood anymore.

Our community is a large melting pot of people who have money. My neighbors 2 houses down are a FBI agent who is white and his Dominican wife. Next door is a retired Haitian couple in their 70s. Other side of us is a black family (Doctor and accountant).
 
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