Remember when Coach Frost was hiding in the closet while his girlfriend was getting the piss beat out of her? He must of been in there looking for his balls.
Husker Rhabdo
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There is a ton of literature out there and only a few of your points are peer reviewed and established and supported by science. At this point mostly theories and that same literature u speak about also mentions the athletes preparedness for said exercise (also not peee reviewed) and seeing who is being self accountable is a measurable outcome. Now as I said it is extreme and unfortunate to get to this point. I am not saying coaches are not to blame, was simply pointing out that players are also accountable and played a huge role. As you pointed out these athletes are extremely unique in a physical sense so being unprepared and out of shape has to play a role to get to the point have extreme determination in the ADP level- obviously mixed with extreme and negligent workout
'Unprepared and out of shape'? Getting rhabdomyalysis is not something that is going to be visible in a workout. Damn, usually the individuals who do get it are the tough guys, the people who can push past the point of exhaustion and when they should stop (or rest).
When a number of the top Crossfit competitors get rhabdo during one of their games event, is it because they're out of shape?
Stop blaming collegiate athletes for being subjected to a bad workout by coaches who are too inept to know better.
Look the truth of the matter is that there is more that is unknown for the reason as to why this happens as to what we do know, so stop acting like you know the facts. It is a competitive business and workouts can be difficult and should be. It is unfortunate and until more details come out I will hold my judgement. This is P5 football and the job of these staffs is too push kids to get to their max potential. I am not saying the coaches or innocent nor am I saying they are guilty. I am a D2 coach and know the difficulty of pushing your athletes and your program to compete and overcome opponents- so I have a different view. I am going to keep my glasshouse in tact personally and hope that these things can be prevented in the future
A coach is to instruct and teach, not just push. Practice is to improve, not punish or find out 'who slacked during vacation' - you know, when workouts are not mandatory.
We'll find out what 32 minute programming Nebraska used soon enough, that got cut down to 24 minutes. Read that again - a 24-minute workout sent two P5 D1 athletes to the hospital for kidney failure. And those are the reported, not the dozens who had some discolored piss but overcame and weren't diagnosed (so no documentation/didn't happen).
Not likely when its much easier to bring up the VERY RECENT beat downs. If one cared enough to take the time, we can find hundreds of posts on this board about the Nebraska fan going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about the 90's. Who's the one projecting?
Your are completely wrong- a coaches job is in fact to push athletes beyond the point they ever thought was possible. Obviously never did I say beyond the point to where their kidneys fail. If an athlete smoked weed and drank for 2 straight months instead of staying in shape and taking care of their body......then what? Damn those coaches right
What I said was that Iowa posters STARTED those threads. There are very few Husker threads started by actual Husker fans on this site. I've hardly seen one.
Diaco is not some defensive wizard. He couldn't figure out how to put a team on the field that could play anything remotely resembling defense. The problem was Riley let him have too much freedom and cowed to him. Diaco did whatever he wanted. His track record is not nearly as good as some people want to make it out to be. Everyone wants to point to the fact that they got to the NC game, in the BCS era, but no one mentions that he got absolutely destroyed by a good offense in that game. And this is with a defense FULL of talent. He's not that good. In his other three years at ND, his teams lost 14 games, and his defenses gave up plenty of points.
At the first practice / workout after an extended break, a competent S&C coach would find out the measurables of his players at that point and then chart the anticipated progress of those players, scheduling the workouts to help the players evolve/progress. That's whether the kid's squatting 585 legit and a workout beast or can't run 300 yards without falling because he's been downing 40's of Colt 45 the last month. And if the kid falls into the latter category, you have options of either getting the athlete into shape safely or letting the athlete know that perhaps there's a more viable alternative vocation in his future.
To be clear, this isn't some nurturing/hand-holding philosophy. We're talking about football, an extremely physical game operated at maximum intensity for 5-10 seconds followed by 35 seconds of walking/jogging, rinse and repeat. Do you think Nebraska's workout simulated this type of environment? Iowa's sure didn't in 2011, and I was as vocal about piss-poor training/programming then as I am now.
I am not disagreeing with you at all, I understand everything you are saying. However, it is honestly not that simple. We just literally had a week long discussiong with our staff (my first year as D2 coach from HS ranks) and we decided to see who was doing what we asked in the off-season and who was not by testing that the first week. We didn't push them the first day back to extreme point, but shortly after we tested "who was in and was not". We are a new staff and wanted to set the tone and we certainly did just that- 12 kids decided to not continue in our program- 10 of the 12 came back from break either 10 lbs over or under desired weight, the other 2 were actually due to academics. Only 3 other players who fell in that category of over/under weight pushed through. We had player meeting after the first 2 weeks and all the players that remained were thrilled about the process because it appears we eliminated the majority of bad teammates- which we wouldn't have ever known without doing what we did. Were we right to do that? Were we wrong? IDK that answer, but I do know our culture and production has improved dramatically in the course of 2 weeks
And I was stating that Husker fans have started some as well. Obviously most threads started by IOWA fans on an IOWA board but enough Iowa fans have seen Husker fans start threads boasting about the same BS. Cause wasn't an Iowa fan who started a thread about Lee being Manning Camp MVP and Husker fans started thread last August talking about how great it will be when former Iowa LB has Nebraska D shut down Iowa.
Fair enough bones. My statement was meant to be more of a dig on the state of Debbie football other than Diacco’s defensive efficiency.
You Iowa fans crack me up; laughing at Frost saying the team was soft and out of shape but then you keep bringing up that you beat us down the last 3 years lol.
"Hey you're mentally challenged! But you remember when I scored higher on that math test?!"
Comical. Beating your chest after destroying the worst Nebraska football teams in history.
"Hey you're mentally challenged! But you remember when I scored higher on that math test?!"
Comical. Beating your chest after destroying the worst Nebraska football teams in history.
Are you referring to this thread? https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/tanner-lee.203080/ I think this is an Iowa poster.
No one in the BIG10 beats their chest after destroying UNL. It's per usual. "Remember when ?"
I mean LP was quite a beast and I wouldn’t wanna mess with him either while he was pissed.
Thank you from ignoring the fact that Husker fans have also started similar threads and I never denied IOWA fans on an IOWA board started some. I stand by original statement Husker fans also posting threads on here stating how awesome Lee and Diacco would be before the season.
It took you 10 years to come up with that? Maybe you should stick to your own site.
Your exact quote: "Cause wasn't an Iowa fan who started a thread about Lee being Manning Camp MVP"
I provide the thread that was started by an Iowa fan.
You tell me I ignored something. Please provide the links.
This could come as a shocker to you but sometimes there are multiple threads on the same thing or pretty similar topics. So cool story as I said Iowa fans start these type of threads too. But yeah keep telling yourself that Husker fans never start threads here to boast about the same BS. Just like we didn't hear all last summer up till the start of the season how awesome your new QB was and how great your defense was going to be with a new DC...
I'm just waiting for you to support your claim. It shouldn't be that hard.
You could be right, but I think you're confusing "thread starting" with Husker fans chiming in on threads started by Iowa fans. Just show me the evidence and I'll concede. I think you're wrong, showed you the thread you said "wasn't started by a Hawkeye" and you continue to try to "enlighten" me. Just support you claim. Otherwise, you're likely wrong.
I think that the average person means things like weight room, nutrition program, life skills program, academic support staff and things like that when they talk about resources. Not the current DL or OL they have on the team. That's just the average person. The below-average person may not understand this though.
Get back to us when Nebraska has relevance post the VHS era. It must really suck to be a skirt fan and know that no matter how many coaches you fire you still end up looking up at the Hawks.
Here is the truth... Mighty Nebraska can’t even beat my lowly Iowa. Chew on that Huskers or Bugeaters whatever name catches your fancy!!! Most obnoxious fans in the CFB.
