I don't see how Fran misjudged
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A lot of the guys from the '14 & '15 classes were 2nd or 3rd choices. Fran missed on a lot of his 1st and 2nd choice guys. This is where I wish Fran would work the grad transfer and transfer market better. If you keep missing on your top realistic targets you can't keep taking major projects and hope to trend upwards. You have to bring guys in that can be competitive and fill in for a year or two while you try to bring in better recruits. A lot of teams across the country do this and it helps them at least tread water and stay competitive instead of tank to the bottom of your conference which in turn makes your program look better to high school recruits when you can remain competitive.
Cordell Pemsl is shooting 74% from the field this year? You don't see the upside with him? Tyler Cook is the most athletic player we've had in past 10 years? No upside there? Bohannon had made 13 threes in the last two games? No upside there?
If you want to criticize players that's fine, but you should at least be specific.
If you want to criticize players that's fine, but you should at least be specific.
I think he's talking specifically about our juniors and sophomores. However, I agree with Auger. These weren't the first choices and he's trying to work with what he has.
The next couple classes will be solid and we will be moving in the right direction again.
The next couple classes will be solid and we will be moving in the right direction again.
While I'm not that down on all of the players, I will be specific for you, in regards to the players you named.
Pemsl - no argument. He should be good.
Cook - gives no effort on defense. None.
Bohannon - is ideal in a off ball role, where he can catch and shoot. In that role, he'll be good. If he has to play PG going forward,there's no upside to him IMO.
I'll never give up hope for the Hawkeyes. After the top three scorers today (Jok, Bohannon and Pemsl) you had eight D1 recruits scoring 18 points among them all, for an average of about 2.2 points apiece. This absolutely has to be the low point of the year for guys like Baer, Wagner, Uhl, Ellingson, Williams, Kriener, Dailey and Moss. They should feel totally disgusted with themselves. Can you even imagine how grueling practice is going to be Sunday in preparation for the Stetson game Monday? Some of the defensive woes may be on Fran. Is the scheme too complicated? Can certain players not do certain things on defense? We should blow Stetson out, but then we have a veteran Iowa State crew next. We'll be a lot better when Cook returns, but the fecal matter will strike the oscillator if at least two or three more guys don't step up. The semester can be transfer time. Hopefully Fran is in a position where we take nothing but blue-blood recruits from here on out. Garza, Nunge, Connor, Patrick and Wieskamp seem to be a pretty good continuation of this year's freshman group. We are past the time for taking on project players.
Well "people" is a pretty broad term, but whatever. You sure it wasn't AFTER the NDSU game that was said?
The team does not lack talent? Is that why they can't guard a single spot on the floor, block out, or finish bunnies? If you listened to the game on the radio yesterday you would have heard repeated references from Hansen about lack of hustle, guys falling asleep defensively, blow by easy baskets x 20 and endless put backs and rebounds because we are too small inside.
This was not against Seton Hall, Notre Dame, Virginia, but a Summit League team who will probably finish in the middle of their conference. If you want to use a football analogy, this is like saying there is no difference between Mark Weisman and Akrum Wadley. Outside of Cook and Pemsl, not much talent to build around for the future.
This was not against Seton Hall, Notre Dame, Virginia, but a Summit League team who will probably finish in the middle of their conference. If you want to use a football analogy, this is like saying there is no difference between Mark Weisman and Akrum Wadley. Outside of Cook and Pemsl, not much talent to build around for the future.
Fran may have got a little overconfident in his evaluations after Dev, White, Gabe, and Sapp all of whom were unranked but ended up good players sooner rather than later.
Fran has loaded up the team with wings/bigs and there is not enough guard talent. It was a multi-year problem in recruiting. Getting two more bigs for next years class, and a not so athletic guard in ConnorM looks to be a mistake for what we are missing.
I recall Fran realized we were missing quickness at PG and brought in Dickerson...that ended up being a bust move. Since then, he just continues to whiff. He could have at least gotten an athletic PG prospect on squad...that has not happened
Give Fran credit for past...this year is a train wreck on defense, so Fran needs to get that fixed. Not sure next year is going to be much better unless Fran gets some guards beyond having a shooter in Bohannon
When you have 3-4 yr starters- hard to recruit when they know they will be subs for 2-3 years. What is hard to understand about that?
I've started half a dozen replies to this post erasing them all because they didn't make sense. I finally figured out that was because the original post makes no sense-not to me at least.
I think Fran saw that we had a bunch of "unathletic" kids in 2013 and went after some "athletic" players. I mean Wagner and Uhl are pretty athletic, but neither of them can score right now. Uhl was a mis-match last year and this year he has seemed to regress. Wagner is trying to find his role on this team.
Its a young team and a young season. Give it time, if you thought Iowa was going to the NCAA this year you were dreaming. They are going to improve, just give it time. Everyone realizes their defense sucks, now its just fixing it or making adjustments (zone, man to man).
Its a young team and a young season. Give it time, if you thought Iowa was going to the NCAA this year you were dreaming. They are going to improve, just give it time. Everyone realizes their defense sucks, now its just fixing it or making adjustments (zone, man to man).
I am hopeful for the future. A good freshman class and hopefully five truly good players coming in: Garza, Nunge, Wieskamp (I hope he can defend) and the McCaffery's (they are both better than many give them credit for). Fran has to stop wasting scholly's on projects. Every kid he offers in the future should be a proven entity. If he can't sign one, bank the scholly.
This is unacceptable.
This program has good facilities, a bundle of money and is in a premier league, but in year 6 of Fran's regime gets beat-up by UNO at home.
It appears there is only one player in '13, '14 and '15 classes that is a prime time player, and he is, to be generous, less than multi-dimensional. And, still, after 6 years, not one pure pg landed.
Talks a good game, but results are iffy, at best. His seat should be warming.
This program has good facilities, a bundle of money and is in a premier league, but in year 6 of Fran's regime gets beat-up by UNO at home.
It appears there is only one player in '13, '14 and '15 classes that is a prime time player, and he is, to be generous, less than multi-dimensional. And, still, after 6 years, not one pure pg landed.
Talks a good game, but results are iffy, at best. His seat should be warming.
I would agree with your position on Pemsl and Cook; however, if Bohannon keeps dropping bombs against B1G opponents then I will become a believer.
Well you want the kind of kids who look at the current starters and think I'm better than those guys, I'll force my way into the lineup right away. If you have a two or three year starter and bring in somebody who's better than him, that's a good thing. We have freshmen starting now, does that mean we won't be able to recruit guys to replace them until after they are set to graduate?
Gesell was a top 100 player and a PG recruit. 3 straight NCAA tourney appearances with back to back 12-6 conf records so as for his seat warming remember we are Iowa an above average big 10 program not a blue blood.
I don't think you average 85 points a game on misjudged talent. You give up 90 points a game on inexperience.
You take the best players you can get to come to Iowa. We offer scholarships to five star players but they don't come to Iowa in basketball and they never have.
In hindsight. I think the drought of no top 150 type players in Iowa in 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, really hurt us. And we were still digging out of a hole at that time. The 2014 class was being sold hopes and dreams and the last season they'd seen was one where we'd reached the NIT. I recall being excited about Uhl. The Dickerson get was in my opinion as much about concern Clemmons might transfer as it was anything else. And Ellingson was an October grab after missing on Ulis.
2015, the jury is still out on Williams, Wagner and Moss. If one doesn't think so than explain how many thought Jok was a bust after his second season?
As to 2016, I don't know how anyone is unimpressed with Cook, Pemsl, Bohannon, (who we'd be seeing Iowa State fans over here with their annoying, "I told you so's", but I don't see too many, "You told us so's", none, in fact. Anyway, take a guy like Kriener and we haven't begun to see what some time can do for his game, or Dailey.
In the end, like usual, I feel like the concerns are exaggerated to the extreme. The fails are slammed onto a microscope slide. And the big picture wins/losses/results are ignored if only to allow more complaint than warranted.
This lack of defense. It is concerning as all heck! We also have a great chance to rectify it, and Fran hasn't ignored the problem. Will it get solved? Don't know. But it won't get ignored, that's certain.
2015, the jury is still out on Williams, Wagner and Moss. If one doesn't think so than explain how many thought Jok was a bust after his second season?
As to 2016, I don't know how anyone is unimpressed with Cook, Pemsl, Bohannon, (who we'd be seeing Iowa State fans over here with their annoying, "I told you so's", but I don't see too many, "You told us so's", none, in fact. Anyway, take a guy like Kriener and we haven't begun to see what some time can do for his game, or Dailey.
In the end, like usual, I feel like the concerns are exaggerated to the extreme. The fails are slammed onto a microscope slide. And the big picture wins/losses/results are ignored if only to allow more complaint than warranted.
This lack of defense. It is concerning as all heck! We also have a great chance to rectify it, and Fran hasn't ignored the problem. Will it get solved? Don't know. But it won't get ignored, that's certain.
You don't have to take "major projects" if you miss on your top targets. There is always high major talent that slips through the cracks.
If you are watching on TV, there is your problem. I was impresssed with Pemsl during the first exhibition game. He has proven me correct and will be a great addition.
Moss is coming on strong and will also be a great asset, along with Bohannon, and we know Tyler Cook will too, once off the DL.
I don't have lofty expectations this year, but next year....look out.
Moss is coming on strong and will also be a great asset, along with Bohannon, and we know Tyler Cook will too, once off the DL.
I don't have lofty expectations this year, but next year....look out.
