I have a concern about DeVries….

[perryhawk]

What do you think of the 4star players McCollum has recruited?

I’m not discounting the concern about BM recruiting at the B10 level.. but, on the flip side he won the Mo Valley Championship and tournament championship with mostly D2 players, won 30 games including beating some power conference teams.

Maybe he’s a guy that can win with the talent level that Iowa can get regularly? Then add a few high level recruits (like Fran did) and he could be really successful?

 

[Fran-Con-2]

Give us your top 3 candidates please.

Maybe you missed my initial statement.

DD is clearly top two candidate. Would be very happy to get him.

I just also understand where the OP is coming from.

 

[Bank of Hawk]

FWIW, Drake’s record against P4 schools, they are 3-0 (neutral site Vanderbilt, Miami, Kansas State in Kansas City).

 

[Hawkfan_08]

Fran has taken multiple teams further into the NCAA tournament than DeVries has… in fact I don’t think DeVries has a win on his NCAA tournament resume. Is Beth sure she wants to burn $10mm just to get DeVries in the door? Idk

Well Devries has had almost as many tourney appearances for Drake in a 1 bid league as Fran has for Iowa in a 7-10 bid league.

 

[HawksRule73]

I’ve said this before, but it bears repeating.

I think McCollum is the superior coach. From Xs and Os, to in-game adjustments, to overall body of work. This isn’t to say that DD is bad at all, but McCollum is an objectively better coach.

However, DD moves the needle much more with the fan base. And given the lack of fan engagement via ticket sales, butts in the seats, NIL donations, etc, I think DD is the superior choice there.

So, given that it’s $ that are going to attract the players both guys would need to be successful and given the current state of the program, I can see why Beth would have DD as her top choice.

So I think DD is probably the better choice for where the program is now. Had Fran been more successful overall and left something to work with, I think BM would be the better choice. But Beth has to hire given the program we have and I think DD is probably the better choice (even though I think BM is better).

 

[Rambler Hawk]

Don’t get me wrong….he’s a good coach and I believe he can do well at Iowa. But there is one thing that concerns me:

Do his teams have a tendency to wilt under pressure? Didn’t Drake lose a late lead in the tournament last year against Washington St.? They definitely had an epic choke against Miami the year before. And West Virginia struggled down the stretch this season, going 6-9 and not beating anyone of real significance.

Would this continue at Iowa? I sure hope not. We had enough of that with Fran.

I am liking McCollum more and more. His teams are tough, and they are always well prepared for the big games. While I think DeVries is a done deal, I’m really hoping it’s McCollum.

I think most all coaches cut their teeth during their careers….remember when Bennet (UVA) choked against a 16 seed, but won it all the next year. Also, haven’t they been saying for years that Painter (PU) is a choker? 🤷‍♂️

 

[hexumhawk]

McCollum is still my #1 choice with DD being right behind him. Think DD would give you and instant shot in the arm for MBB but I think McCollum will be the better long range option.

 

[EagleHawk]

I think most all coaches cut their teeth during their careers….remember when Bennet (UVA) choked against a 16 seed, but won it all the next year. Also, haven’t they been saying for years that Painter (PU) is a choker? 🤷‍♂️

Bennet won 6 games in the NCAA tournament since 2018. They all happened to be in the same year. He had several first round failures as a high seed. Painter also deserves his reputation. They lost first round as a 1 seed in 2023, in 2021 as a 4 seed, and lost in the sweet 16 as a 2 seed in 2018.

 

[kwik44]

I’m nervous too about this. I think BMc has a much higher ceiling.

 

[WestCoastHawkI]

I’m nervous too about this. I think BMc has a much higher ceiling.

All the dude does is win

 

[acuhawk]

Don’t get me wrong….he’s a good coach and I believe he can do well at Iowa. But there is one thing that concerns me:

Do his teams have a tendency to wilt under pressure? Didn’t Drake lose a late lead in the tournament last year against Washington St.? They definitely had an epic choke against Miami the year before. And West Virginia struggled down the stretch this season, going 6-9 and not beating anyone of real significance.

Would this continue at Iowa? I sure hope not. We had enough of that with Fran.

I am liking McCollum more and more. His teams are tough, and they are always well prepared for the big games. While I think DeVries is a done deal, I’m really hoping it’s McCollum.

Either is a huge upgrade over fran.

 

[littlez]

Bennet won 6 games in the NCAA tournament since 2018. They all happened to be in the same year. He had several first round failures as a high seed. Painter also deserves his reputation. They lost first round as a 1 seed in 2023, in 2021 as a 4 seed, and lost in the sweet 16 as a 2 seed in 2018.

He's also got 5 sweet 16's, and elite 8 and a finals runner up. Based upon where he finished in the conference most years you could say he underachieved a bit but he's also not getting true elite talent. HE's a damn good coach.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

I think most all coaches cut their teeth during their careers….remember when Bennet (UVA) choked against a 16 seed, but won it all the next year. Also, haven’t they been saying for years that Painter (PU) is a choker? 🤷‍♂️

Painter is the modern day Jim Boeheim without the 2003 type championship run.

 

[littlez]

Painter is the modern day Jim Boeheim without the 2003 type championship run.

Pretty fair.

 

[Rambler Hawk]

Painter is the modern day Jim Boeheim without the 2003 type championship run.

Maybe…Boeheim had much more athletic players to work with over the years though IMHO. I am guessing Purdue fans have a love/hate relationship with Painter.

If Tony Bennet ever came out of retirement, I’d love for Iowa to give him a call 📞 ….😎

 

[Rambler Hawk]

W

Don’t get me wrong….he’s a good coach and I believe he can do well at Iowa. But there is one thing that concerns me:

Do his teams have a tendency to wilt under pressure? Didn’t Drake lose a late lead in the tournament last year against Washington St.? They definitely had an epic choke against Miami the year before. And West Virginia struggled down the stretch this season, going 6-9 and not beating anyone of real significance.

Would this continue at Iowa? I sure hope not. We had enough of that with Fran.

I am liking McCollum more and more. His teams are tough, and they are always well prepared for the big games. While I think DeVries is a done deal, I’m really hoping it’s McCollum.

Well, I think you will sleep better tonight…😉

 

[cmhawks99]

😂😂😂

 

[relishingwinning18]

Nope I'm accurate

I know personally, how much some of our guys got this year and it's more then 1.5 Total.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Well then I guess we should stop playing basketball. Give you something to really cry about.

As usual I was correct, DD said "no thanks".

 

[RicoSuave102954]

I know personally, how much some of our guys got this year and it's more then 1.5 Total.

Good for you but I just stated what was being reported.

 

[Ladell-hawk]

I think there is some luck in turning a program around to find players that break out beyond their rating and build momentum. Hoiberg for instance had pretty good run at ISU, been kind of Meh at Nebraska. McDermott was great at UNI, meh at ISU, then reborn at Creighton.

As far as choking, Lute Olson after getting to Final-4, had some teams with Gannon/Hansen/carfino that were called the Chokeyes because they kept losing close games. He went to AZ and won a National Title because he got better players.

I want a coach that values defense because I think when we get into NCAA tourney, even if we are overmatched athletically, we can possibly play a better team tough and win some upsets. Getting blown out in first few minutes in NCAA tourney is a bummer as a fan.

That sounds good but to be able to play good defense you have to have good athletes with quickness and speed. That requires nil to get good athletes. Our defense didn’t struggle because the guys weren’t trying, they couldn’t keep up with athletes who were quicker and in most cases taller than our guys.

 

[83Hawk]

W

Well, I think you will sleep better tonight…😉

Why? I said I thought DeVries is a good coach. I just expressed a concern I had.

I think McCollum is a great coach, but have a concern about his recruiting at a P-4 level. Doesn’t mean he isn’t the guy I want.

I doubt there is a perfect coach out there. What’s wrong with discussing all aspects of a potential candidate? Better to do it now. Do it after the hire and you will get accused of being a complainer by the holier-than-thou folks.

 

[relishingwinning18]

Good for you but I just stated what was being reported.

Next time announce you are a parrot, instead of acting as an insider.

 

[kwik44]

The longer this goes the longer I think DeVries wasn’t the pick anyways.

 

[BurgHawk87]

That sounds good but to be able to play good defense you have to have good athletes with quickness and speed. That requires nil to get good athletes. Our defense didn’t struggle because the guys weren’t trying, they couldn’t keep up with athletes who were quicker and in most cases taller than our guys.

What about before NIL? Why did the defense struggle for the better part of 15 years?

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

As usual I was correct, DD said "no thanks".

Well then I guess we should stop playing basketball. Give you something to really cry about.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Next time announce you are a parrot, instead of acting as an insider.

And you believe you are an insider? LOL

 

[relishingwinning18]

And you believe you are an insider? LOL

I know your mom would say I was insider.

 

[Beattheohiostate]

Don’t get me wrong….he’s a good coach and I believe he can do well at Iowa. But there is one thing that concerns me:

Do his teams have a tendency to wilt under pressure? Didn’t Drake lose a late lead in the tournament last year against Washington St.? They definitely had an epic choke against Miami the year before. And West Virginia struggled down the stretch this season, going 6-9 and not beating anyone of real significance.

Would this continue at Iowa? I sure hope not. We had enough of that with Fran.

I am liking McCollum more and more. His teams are tough, and they are always well prepared for the big games. While I think DeVries is a done deal, I’m really hoping it’s McCollum.

If Lute Olson were still around, you could ask him. He took a good Iowa team against Wichita State and lost because he called a timeout he didn't have. Anybody who's coached for more than five minutes has lost close games. Hell, even the leprechaun from MSU lost a 12-point lead in the last 90 seconds to a not-very-good Iowa team last year, and then MSU lost in OT. So maybe that means Izzo ain't really that good . . .

 

[RicoSuave102954]

I know your mom would say I was insider.

Translation = He's got caught in a lie

 

[MeetTheFerentzes]

That sounds good but to be able to play good defense you have to have good athletes with quickness and speed. That requires nil to get good athletes. Our defense didn’t struggle because the guys weren’t trying, they couldn’t keep up with athletes who were quicker and in most cases taller than our guys.

LOL. You are such a Fran rube. Fran's teams were terrible at defense before NIL was even an itch in Bohannon's pants.

 

[83Hawk]

If Lute Olson were still around, you could ask him. He took a good Iowa team against Wichita State and lost because he called a timeout he didn't have. Anybody who's coached for more than five minutes has lost close games. Hell, even the leprechaun from MSU lost a 12-point lead in the last 90 seconds to a not-very-good Iowa team last year, and then MSU lost in OT. So maybe that means Izzo ain't really that good . . .

Where did I say DeVries wasn’t any good?

Moot point, anyhow.

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[littlez]

The longer this goes the longer I think DeVries wasn’t the pick anyways.

So we brought him in for what? To make us look like idiots? It worked.

 

[kwik44]

So we brought him in for what? To make us look like idiots? It worked.

To do due diligence for a coaching search.

 

[TXHCHawk]

So we brought him in for what? To make us look like idiots? It worked.

If nothing else, to make IU overpay. He wasn’t nearly their first choice.

 

[Rambler Hawk]

Why? I said I thought DeVries is a good coach. I just expressed a concern I had.

I think McCollum is a great coach, but have a concern about his recruiting at a P-4 level. Doesn’t mean he isn’t the guy I want.

I doubt there is a perfect coach out there. What’s wrong with discussing all aspects of a potential candidate? Better to do it now. Do it after the hire and you will get accused of being a complainer by the holier-than-thou folks.

No worries, sorry I was just pulling your leg…😎

 

[HawksRule73]

So we brought him in for what? To make us look like idiots? It worked.

His camp can comment, we can’t. So they can push their narrative. I’m guessing the truth is considerably different than what they said.