I think it's super cool that she chose to stay home and help the home school. I just think it would be a huge bummer if someone that talented didn't at least get a shot at a natty. I don't think anyone would fault her her for trying just one year at a UConn or somewhere of the like.
I hope Caitlin transfers her last year
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How many National Champoinships did Pete Maravich win? How many Super Bowls did Dan Marino win?
How many U of I records would she not hold forever if she left a year early? How many Big 10 records would she not hold if she went somewhere else?
She is an Iowa treasure like Shawn Johnson and Zack Johnson.
I'm glad not everyone thinks like you.
How many U of I records would she not hold forever if she left a year early? How many Big 10 records would she not hold if she went somewhere else?
She is an Iowa treasure like Shawn Johnson and Zack Johnson.
I'm glad not everyone thinks like you.
I think the original poster should transfer.
She'll rewrite the Iowa record book. Having a player like her helps recruiting.
Or does it? I understand we are down some players but that was brutal last night watching the difference in athleticism at every position. They were more athletic at every position, and that includes pt guard. Not saying that girl was a better player but at 6-2 w/long arms and athleticism that girl gave Clark fits. We don't have 1 girl like that. Maryland has 6 or 7 of those girls and another sitting on the bench injured. Did I also hear right the girl guarding Caitlin was Brad Sellers daughter? Former Ohio State and Chicago Bull? What an athlete she was.
I think there is too much emphasis put on winning championships vis-a-vis a player's career.
What's the great individual accomplishment in an inordinate amount of talent being assembled at, say a Golden State or U Conn, and winning everything in sight?
I'm not necessarily against the portal either, but transferring to win seems ignoble at best.
What's the great individual accomplishment in an inordinate amount of talent being assembled at, say a Golden State or U Conn, and winning everything in sight?
I'm not necessarily against the portal either, but transferring to win seems ignoble at best.
Yes. Great defender. Long arms, gave Clark all kinds of trouble. She's also been carrying this team now for what, 2-3 weeks and playing 35 minutes a game? Bound to wear on her.
She was a great defender but also, when Caitlin crossed half court she was double teamed and had to give up the ball. The defensive game plan against Caitlin was really smart.
Seemed like overall Maryland played a great game and the Iowa women played one of their worst in awhile. Seemingly everything went wrong, Clark started pressing and uncharacteristically turned it over a lot.
it should also be noted that they have been riddled with injuries as well, with I think two players lost for the year before the season even started, in addition to all the in-season injuries they’ve battled through.
It's pretty much what happens when they play the really good teams. If Clark doesn't go off for 40, they have no shot. And even when she did that at Michigan, it wasn't enough. The roster will need to turn over significantly for Iowa to have any reasonable shot at winning a conference title or going to the Final 4.
Even when shots are not falling, (1) solid defense, (2) a desire to rebound the ball and (3) taking care of the ball would keep this Iowa team in EVERY GAME. The problem? Iowa is poor at all 3.
Iowa, even with all their struggles offensively vs Maryland, had the ball & was down by just 5 (66-61) with 6:10 to go and they promptly turned the ball over.
19 turnovers and a MINUS 15 rebounding deficit was just too much to overcome. The almost 10,000 fans who showed up deserved better than this.
Turnovers:
19: Maryland
19: IOWA (Caitlin Clark had 10)
Total Rebounds:
46: Maryland
31: IOWA
Offensive Rebounds:
19: Maryland
11: IOWA
I thought they said last night Maryland hung over 100 on us twice last year. So what Dodger said, this isn't a a 1 time thing. We need a talent infusion to play along w/Clark. Quick question. We have a lot of great things going on right now w/all the attention Clark is getting. We're barely ranked in the top 25 but our games are shown on ESPN because of her. We have very good fan support. We play in a top 2-3 conference and we have a pretty good tradition of winning. So why can we not recruit better?
based on what I have read, Iowas athlteticism will increase next year with three new freshman. Also think Grady will have larger role next year
cailin committed late so her impact on recruiting is just starting to show. Will see how it goes with 23 class
I think it does help in recruiting. Right now they are down a few players and she does need help. Put her, at the point, on that team and then tell me she isn't a good athlete. There isn't another player on that team that is as good of a shooter as well. If I was an excellent basketball player I would want to play along side her and for Coach Bluder.
Another annoying thing is that this team was very much in the thick of a potential B1G Championship.
Had we won, we'd be tied in the loss column with Michigan & OSU and just 1 game out of 1st place (Indiana). Instead we are 2 games out of first with 4 games to go.
And our 4 remaining games?
Sat Feb 19 at Indiana, 3PM
Mon Feb 21 vs Indiana, 7 PM
Thur Feb 24 at Rutgers, 7 PM
Sun Feb 27 vs Michigan, 3 PM
February 14 Results (thanks @Alum-Ni ):
#13 Maryland 81, #22 Iowa 69
Nebraska 72, #5 Indiana 55
#18 Ohio State 86, Illinois 67
Current Standings:
1. Indiana (18-4, 10-2)
2. Maryland (19-6, 11-3)
2. Michigan (20-4, 11-3)
2. Ohio State (19-4, 11-3)
5. Iowa (16-7, 10-4)
Had we won, we'd be tied in the loss column with Michigan & OSU and just 1 game out of 1st place (Indiana). Instead we are 2 games out of first with 4 games to go.
And our 4 remaining games?
Sat Feb 19 at Indiana, 3PM
Mon Feb 21 vs Indiana, 7 PM
Thur Feb 24 at Rutgers, 7 PM
Sun Feb 27 vs Michigan, 3 PM
February 14 Results (thanks @Alum-Ni ):
#13 Maryland 81, #22 Iowa 69
Nebraska 72, #5 Indiana 55
#18 Ohio State 86, Illinois 67
Current Standings:
1. Indiana (18-4, 10-2)
2. Maryland (19-6, 11-3)
2. Michigan (20-4, 11-3)
2. Ohio State (19-4, 11-3)
5. Iowa (16-7, 10-4)
Losing Goodman and Wetering to start has hurt and then losing McKenna and Gabby recently has hurt and Ediger was starting to seem to be doing better lately.
I thought Iowa looked intimidated last night especially in the first and second quarters.
Posters above talking about the difference in players size and talent are exactly right. I think Stuelke next year will help a bunch and maybe Gyamfi and McCabe as well, but I wouldn't look for an infusion of players like the top teams in the country have.
Some players are happy to go where they can play and others like Kia Stokes preferred to go where she could win a championship. She evidently was happy to sacrifice playing 30-35 minutes per game for that opportunity, so that's ok too.
I thought Iowa looked intimidated last night especially in the first and second quarters.
Posters above talking about the difference in players size and talent are exactly right. I think Stuelke next year will help a bunch and maybe Gyamfi and McCabe as well, but I wouldn't look for an infusion of players like the top teams in the country have.
Some players are happy to go where they can play and others like Kia Stokes preferred to go where she could win a championship. She evidently was happy to sacrifice playing 30-35 minutes per game for that opportunity, so that's ok too.
I wouldn't be mad if Caitlin one day decided to transfer. Let's be honest, she has no help on this team. I'm not sure she will though although I would've liked to see a video from the press conference is see what her emotions were like.
I couldn't watch the game, and honestly don't ever want to see this girl you're talking about simply because the mental image I now have is fabulous!!
Again, important to note that theyve just been riddle with injuries. Against Michigan, they could only dress 7 players.
They are definitely better than last year, when they had a defense that would make Fran embarrassed. Attrition simp,y caught up to them after losing Gustafson and Doyle in recent years. Without Clark, last year was probably a .500 team.
feel like their recruiting has improved in recent years, but between youth and injuries, we’re not necessarily seeing that on the court. Also should give credit to maryland, that’s been an awfully good program in recent years.
This is a strange take IMO. As if somehow her life will be incomplete without a real shot at a National Championship.
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I’m giving plenty of credit to Maryland. As I said they were more athletic than us at all 5 positions, and that includes our potential player of the year. She’s not as skilled as Clark but length and athleticism gave her fits. My point is we should have a lot going for us. There were more people at that game last night than at a mens weeknight game. That’s insane. We have a once in a generation player and she’s getting killed out there because she has no help. And again, we’re on ESPN a ton right now. Why can’t Bluder capitalize on this?
Caitlyn I’m sure has a closet full of awards from AAU and International play.....I think she’ll probably have an Olympic gold medal eventually if she stays healthy
I’m sure she’d be the first to tell you there’s more to the game than awards and she loves Bluder..... she isn’t going anywhere
I’m sure she’d be the first to tell you there’s more to the game than awards and she loves Bluder..... she isn’t going anywhere
As others have said, I think she's wearing down a bit and not getting much help from those around her.
She's not a muscular kid and plays at a pretty fast pace. Bluder really, really needs to get a defensive oriented 4/5 to help the team.
Iowa is just horrid giving 2nd and 3rd shots .
She's not a muscular kid and plays at a pretty fast pace. Bluder really, really needs to get a defensive oriented 4/5 to help the team.
Iowa is just horrid giving 2nd and 3rd shots .
Guess I feel like Bluders recruiting has been getting better, it’s just not as visible right now because of injuries. Pretty sure they lost 2 forwards to injuries before the first game, so they’re playing a lot smaller lineups than they’d prefer.
rebounding has been an issue due to that lack of size as well.
The class of 23 is when we will see if she capitalizes on this. For most part it’s too late to show in class of 22. Maybe a transfer this summer???
No, she won't. She's not eligible until her senior year.
Other players will.come because she can lead them to a natty. And if Tennessee can build the program they had so can Iowa
My understanding right now is that the WNBA requires all players to play four years in college. Is that wrong?
Big difference though is that Summit built her program at Tennessee when womens hoops was in its infancy. Even UConn era of dominance has FINALLY seemed to have slowed down a bit, to where we can’t quite put them down in permanent marker in the Final Four.
will always wonder what Iowa would have been like had Stringer not left (for totally understandable reasons).
Don't disagree really. Women's basketball advanced stats (ala KenPom) is harder to come by, but on raw numbers basis Iowa is allowing 11 less points per game than last year. Big difference when comparing last year to this year is that Iowa shot over 40% from 3-point range last year, and this year it's under 34%. Any improvements on defense can't overcome the reduced shooting efficiency.
Yes, injuries have hurt. No doubt it will help if/when players get healthy.
But looking ahead to next year, I'm not sure where Iowa really gets better unless players move on. I'm not sure what Bluder does to manage that. But just rolling out the same players for another year as starters, my opinion is we will see same as what we are seeing against good teams this year. If the new players bring improvements in defense/ability to guard, how will that work? Will they really displace the starters for major minutes?
Well, we have two players coming back from injury, as well as 3 4* from last years class who are either redshirting or seeing spot minutes.
I will also add the caveat, for the shooting %s, Iowa has gone thru two periods of 10+ days off due to games postponed due to Covid, which I’d argue has affected their timing. They had been on a roll prior to last night.
4 years removed from high school, 22 by December 31 of draft year, or a graduate and renouncing any remaining eligibility. So she could hypothetically renounce her senior season if she has graduated but then she's missing an entire year of live action.
To be clear, I'm not suggesting she will transfer nor am I suggesting my take isn't an odd take. It's my POV that I'd like to see her have a legit shot at a natty and I don't believe moving to another school for one year would be ignoble in the slightest. I think it's beyond noble that she chose to try to accelerate her home school at the cost of not being on a national title contender. Paige Bueckers chose the natty contender route, I'm beyond grateful that Caitlyn didn't. I just think she deserves a shot at it.
This is the class that Coach Stringer left with Iowa: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1994-11-16-9411160500-story.html
They still managed to win two Big Ten regular season titles, one Big Ten tournament title, and a Sweet Sixteen appearance under Angie Lee.
And course that freshman Stacy Frese in 1995, future All American, would not have transferred to Iowa State, even with big sis Brenda Frese and Bill Fennelly trying everything to lure her away.
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