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I hope Caitlin transfers her last year

4 years removed from high school, 22 by December 31 of draft year, or a graduate and renouncing any remaining eligibility. So she could hypothetically renounce her senior season if she has graduated but then she's missing an entire year of live action.

She’d be in the 2023 Draft if she left early, so not sure where she’d be missing an entire year of live action.
 
This is the class that Coach Stringer left with Iowa: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1994-11-16-9411160500-story.html

They still managed to win two Big Ten regular season titles, one Big Ten tournament title, and a Sweet Sixteen appearance under Angie Lee.

And course that freshman Stacy Frese in 1995, future All American, would not have transferred to Iowa State, even with big sis Brenda Frese and Bill Fennelly trying everything to lure her away.
What’s funny now is that there was a time in the late ‘00s when I wondered if we might need to part ways with Bluder. Felt like they’d been underachieving, kept having players get hurt to the point where I wondered if they were doing something wrong medically that was systemic.

boy am I glad to have been proven wrong there. Crazy to think she now is second only to Kirk in longevity at Iowa.
 
Coach Bluder was a candidate to replace Coach Stringer. It went to Angie Lee, then the assistant coach. I wonder what would have happened if Coach Bluder got the job instead. Maybe the players from that fab class would all transfer out. Who knows.
 
Or does it? I understand we are down some players but that was brutal last night watching the difference in athleticism at every position. They were more athletic at every position, and that includes pt guard. Not saying that girl was a better player but at 6-2 w/long arms and athleticism that girl gave Clark fits. We don't have 1 girl like that. Maryland has 6 or 7 of those girls and another sitting on the bench injured. Did I also hear right the girl guarding Caitlin was Brad Sellers daughter? Former Ohio State and Chicago Bull? What an athlete she was.
We had two top 100 girls come this year, and have 3 top 90 girls coming in next year. So....yes it appears it does.
 
This is the class that Coach Stringer left with Iowa: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1994-11-16-9411160500-story.html

They still managed to win two Big Ten regular season titles, one Big Ten tournament title, and a Sweet Sixteen appearance under Angie Lee.

And course that freshman Stacy Frese in 1995, future All American, would not have transferred to Iowa State, even with big sis Brenda Frese and Bill Fennelly trying everything to lure her away.

Wow. What a recruiting class. Now we only hear about how hard it is to recruit to Iowa.
 
I think it's super cool that she chose to stay home and help the home school. I just think it would be a huge bummer if someone that talented didn't at least get a shot at a natty. I don't think anyone would fault her her for trying just one year at a UConn or somewhere of the like.
Did you ever consider she wanted to stay close to home?
Maybe winning a NC isn’t that important to her? Guessing she Knew her chances were much less staying at Iowa.
She’s a high 1st round pick in the pros either way….
 
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What’s funny now is that there was a time in the late ‘00s when I wondered if we might need to part ways with Bluder. Felt like they’d been underachieving, kept having players get hurt to the point where I wondered if they were doing something wrong medically that was systemic.

boy am I glad to have been proven wrong there. Crazy to think she now is second only to Kirk in longevity at Iowa.
I would not shed a tear if Bluder retired. She's a good coach but kind of like Tom Davis. The program has yet to really reach ELITE status. A few BTT titles and an Elite E appearance.

However, if she ever figures out how to coach rebounding/defense she could take Iowa to Elite status. She is great in that she is recruiting well recently and the players want to play for her. But it seems every team has the same issues year after year.
 
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I would not shed a tear if Bluder retired. She's a good coach but kind of like Tom Davis. The program has yet to really reach ELITE status. A few BTT titles and an Elite E appearance.

However, if she ever figures out how to coach rebounding/defense she could take Iowa to Elite status. She is great in that she is recruiting well recently and the players want to play for her. But it seems every team has the same issues year after year.
Careful what you wish for. Not sure Iowa has topped Tom Davis as coach since and Lisa will be tough to replace as well

will be interesting to see if Caitlin has impact on recruiting in23 and beyond
 
Well we also had plenty of chances to capitalize on Megan leading us to the elite 8 in recruiting and didn’t do it there. I’m talking athletes. We need 2 athletic wings that can guard and score. We have an awful lot to sell. Carver is actually a better setting for the women than the men. Almost 10K on a Monday night. Multiple games on ESPN. Besides UConn not many teams can say that. A winning tradition. And the chance to play with the number 1 player in the country. Until I see 1 girl in an Iowa uniform that looks like the top 7 girls from Maryland I’ll believe our recruiting has improved.
 
Well we also had plenty of chances to capitalize on Megan leading us to the elite 8 in recruiting and didn’t do it there. I’m talking athletes. We need 2 athletic wings that can guard and score. We have an awful lot to sell. Carver is actually a better setting for the women than the men. Almost 10K on a Monday night. Multiple games on ESPN. Besides UConn not many teams can say that. A winning tradition. And the chance to play with the number 1 player in the country. Until I see 1 girl in an Iowa uniform that looks like the top 7 girls from Maryland I’ll believe our recruiting has improved.
So…Caitlyn Clark doesn’t count?

Seriously, as has been pointed out, recruiting has picked up the past couple seasons; and the odds of landing Clark in the first place without Gustafson doing what she did first.

Last night was a roughy night, no doubt. They’re also better than how they looked last night. They’ve also been hit by injuries, and are still not 100%. I get what you’re saying, but you’re not being fair to what Bluders done there without considering she’s coaching a squad while missing key players.
 
Even when shots are not falling, (1) solid defense, (2) a desire to rebound the ball and (3) taking care of the ball would keep this Iowa team in EVERY GAME. The problem? Iowa is poor at all 3.

Iowa, even with all their struggles offensively vs Maryland, had the ball & was down by just 5 (66-61) with 6:10 to go and they promptly turned the ball over.

19 turnovers and a MINUS 15 rebounding deficit was just too much to overcome. The almost 10,000 fans who showed up deserved better than this.


Turnovers:
19: Maryland
19: IOWA (Caitlin Clark had 10)

Total Rebounds:

46: Maryland
31: IOWA

Offensive Rebounds:
19: Maryland
11: IOWA
Iowa is terrible at those 3 things because they have little size other than Monica who can’t defend or rebound either, and very little athleticism. It’s just the type of players that are recruited- maybe the class coming in will help to get some athleticism on the wings/inside, but really need help at guard for Caitlin
 
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So…Caitlyn Clark doesn’t count?

Seriously, as has been pointed out, recruiting has picked up the past couple seasons; and the odds of landing Clark in the first place without Gustafson doing what she did first.

Last night was a roughy night, no doubt. They’re also better than how they looked last night. They’ve also been hit by injuries, and are still not 100%. I get what you’re saying, but you’re not being fair to what Bluders done there without considering she’s coaching a squad while missing key players.
Well, you know what they say. You're never as good as your best night and you're never as bad as your worst night. With missing key players, we just have to adapt. There are numerous teams without key players right now.
 
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We had two top 100 girls come this year, and have 3 top 90 girls coming in next year. So....yes it appears it does.
The 2 that came in this year are nice players but added little athleticism. Hope next year’s are different. It’s also pretty clear that Top 100 in WBB is not at all comparable to Top 100 in MBB athletically
 
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Iowa is terrible at those 3 things because they have little size other than Monica who can’t defend or rebound either, and very little athleticism. It’s just the type of players that are recruited- maybe the class coming in will help to get some athleticism on the wings/inside, but really need help at guard for Caitlin
Yes. Pretty much every WBB is in agreement that Bluder needs to go after a backup PG in the portal, preferrably one with shooting ability.

Taylor McCabe will also help significantly at guard as she can shoot and create for herself. She is a complete player.
 
The 2 that came in this year are nice players but added little athleticism. Hope next year’s are different. It’s also pretty clear that Top 100 in WBB is not at all comparable to Top 100 in MBB athletically
Syd an Addie have already shown flashes. AJ seems to be more of a banger. (We had three recruits come in plus Kylie as a transfer). I think they are more athletic than they get credit for.

Next year's class oozes athleticism. All three are multi-tiered scorers and Hanna/Jada are also effective post players. More importantly Hanna/Jada bring post defense and McCabe can create for herself.
 
. . . It’s also pretty clear that Top 100 in WBB is not at all comparable to Top 100 in MBB athletically
This is so true. While offer lists can be hard to find in WBB, they tend to tell a better story than top 100 lists in terms of athleticism. If OSU, Maryland, Louisville offer a midwest player, perhaps with the exception of a post, the chances are quite high that the player would be an athletic upgrade for Iowa.
 
Syd an Addie have already shown flashes. AJ seems to be more of a banger. (We had three recruits come in plus Kylie as a transfer). I think they are more athletic than they get credit for.

Next year's class oozes athleticism. All three are multi-tiered scorers and Hanna/Jada are also effective post players. More importantly Hanna/Jada bring post defense and McCabe can create for herself.
Correct me if I’m wrong but it’s also been a while since all of our recruits are in the top 100
 
Correct me if I’m wrong but it’s also been a while since all of our recruits are in the top 100
Yes. We usually get one maybe two top 100 recruits. Most of the recruits we've gotten previously we're late bloomers or top 250 level. We've had some good classes as a whole but the incoming class for 2022 is the highest rated class we've ever had.
 
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Is leaving early for the WNBA really a thing in womens basketball? Honest question as I'm not sure. I don't know what the WNBA is paying these days but I would think getting that college degree for free is worth a lot.
 
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Is leaving early for the WNBA really a thing in womens basketball? Honest question as I'm not sure. I don't know what the WNBA is paying these days but I would think getting that college degree for free is worth a lot.
You can leave early if you turn 22 in the calendar year of the draft. So for the players in Caitlin's class, those born June-December 2001 would be eligible to enter the 2023 draft (after their junior year) because they will turn 22 that year. Caitlin was born in January 2002, so she won't be draft eligible until 2024, which is after her senior year. So no, Caitlin cannot "leave early." Paige Bueckers's birthday is October 20, 2001, so she could leave after her junior year if she wants.

An interesting case in that class is Stanford's talented center Cameron Brink. She was born on December 31, 2001, so she is eligible to declare for the draft in 2023, after her junior season, if she wishes. Had she been born just a few hours later on January 1, 2022, she would have to wait until after her senior year just like Caitlin.

A lot of times you will see a player leave early if the draft that year is particularly weak, because that means they might have a better chance getting drafted high and making a roster. This is what Charli Collier, last year's #1 pick, did. You get a higher salary if you are drafted in the lottery, so had she remained in college, she'd be leaving potential $$ on the table. Other times you might see a player leave early if a bunch of talented players in the class above them graduate that year. Maybe the team made a final four run and will be in rebuilding mode the following year, so the junior opts out and decides to go pro. This is what Jewell Loyd did in 2015 after helping lead Notre Dame to the national title game that season. Loyd became the #1 WNBA draft pick that year.
 
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You can leave early if you turn 22 in the calendar year of the draft. So for the players in Caitlin's class, those born June-December 2001 would be eligible to enter the 2023 draft (after their junior year) because they will turn 22 that year. Caitlin was born in January 2002, so she won't be draft eligible until 2024, which is after her senior year. So no, Caitlin cannot "leave early." Paige Bueckers's birthday is October 20, 2001, so she could leave after her junior year if she wants.

An interesting case in that class is Stanford's talented center Cameron Brink. She was born on December 31, 2001, so she is eligible to declare for the draft in 2023, after her junior season, if she wishes. Had she been born just a few hours later on January 1, 2022, she would have to wait until after her senior year just like Caitlin.

A lot of times you will see a player leave early if the draft that year is particularly weak, because that means they might have a better chance getting drafted high and making a roster. This is what Charli Collier, last year's #1 pick, did. You get a higher salary if you are drafted in the lottery, so had she remained in college, she'd be leaving potential $$ on the table. Other times you might see a player leave early if a bunch of talented players in the class above them graduate that year. Maybe the team made a final four run and will be in rebuilding mode the following year, so the junior opts out and decides to go pro. This is what Jewell Loyd did in 2015 after helping lead Notre Dame to the national title game that season. Loyd became the #1 WNBA draft pick that year.

Thanks for the info, I don't follow womens basketball outside of the Hawkeyes and I can't remember a player leaving early here.

I highly doubt Caitlin transfers, had winning a NC been a top priority for her she probably wouldn't have came to Iowa in the first place. Hopefully Bluder can get a couple more strong recruiting classes to surround her with enough talent to make a legitimate run.
 
Thanks for the info, I don't follow womens basketball outside of the Hawkeyes and I can't remember a player leaving early here.

I highly doubt Caitlin transfers, had winning a NC been a top priority for her she probably wouldn't have came to Iowa in the first place. Hopefully Bluder can get a couple more strong recruiting classes to surround her with enough talent to make a legitimate run.
I have Sahara Williams and Audi Crooks on my wishlist for 2023. It would also be nice if we can get Lisa Thompson but I'm not sure what the interest levels there are.
 
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Seemed like overall Maryland played a great game and the Iowa women played one of their worst in awhile. Seemingly everything went wrong, Clark started pressing and uncharacteristically turned it over a lot.

it should also be noted that they have been riddled with injuries as well, with I think two players lost for the year before the season even started, in addition to all the in-season injuries they’ve battled through.
I fail to understand why they seem to insist on passing it into the post, Clearly it was Maryland’s game plan to not let that happen. so Bluder needs to adjust and have an alternate plan.
 
I fail to understand why they seem to insist on passing it into the post, Clearly it was Maryland’s game plan to not let that happen. so Bluder needs to adjust and have an alternate plan.

They were trying. Iowa was uncharacteristically sloppy with the ball all game. It simply got away from them and they never settled into the game.
 
Closest player to Iowa was from Chicago. Recruits from both coasts and oh, a national player of the year. What could have been if she'd stayed.
What I don't understand is why she hasn't had the same success at Rutgers as she did at Iowa.
I think the rise of UCONN greatly impacted what she was able to accomplish at Rutgers. Still successful, but not what she was heading towards at Iowa.
 
Seemed like overall Maryland played a great game and the Iowa women played one of their worst in awhile. Seemingly everything went wrong, Clark started pressing and uncharacteristically turned it over a lot.

it should also be noted that they have been riddled with injuries as well, with I think two players lost for the year before the season even started, in addition to all the in-season injuries they’ve battled through.

Clark is 2nd in the nation in turnovers. It’s not uncharacteristic for her to have a high # of them.
 
Wow. What a recruiting class. Now we only hear about how hard it is to recruit to Iowa.
Having an elite coach helps. When Iowa hired Stringer, she was pretty fresh off taking Cheyney to the NCAA championship game. She came in with a big rep and recruited well and built Iowa into a top level program, which carried over into the Angie Lee years. There was some fall back after that and Bluder has been making progress. I have to think having Megan Gustafson and now Caitlin Clark in a short window of time makes it clear that you can be an elite national player and get a lot of attention at Iowa. Regardless of whether Clark wins NPOY this year, she’s pretty clearly in the top 3-4 players in terms of name recognition in the sport and she gets Iowa on TV all the time.

Some places are harder to recruit to. Look at Nebraska football. They were stuffed with elite talent for years because they had an elite head coach in Tom Osborne. Since he’s been gone, the draw has fallen to the point where they are now.
 
Losing Goodman and Wetering to start has hurt and then losing McKenna and Gabby recently has hurt and Ediger was starting to seem to be doing better lately.

I thought Iowa looked intimidated last night especially in the first and second quarters.

Posters above talking about the difference in players size and talent are exactly right. I think Stuelke next year will help a bunch and maybe Gyamfi and McCabe as well, but I wouldn't look for an infusion of players like the top teams in the country have.

Some players are happy to go where they can play and others like Kia Stokes preferred to go where she could win a championship. She evidently was happy to sacrifice playing 30-35 minutes per game for that opportunity, so that's ok too.
They were intimidated because it was determined very early the opponent was going to be allowed to beat on them and neither Iowa BB team can win many games when they can be bullied at will by the defense.
 
I think it's super cool that she chose to stay home and help the home school. I just think it would be a huge bummer if someone that talented didn't at least get a shot at a natty. I don't think anyone would fault her her for trying just one year at a UConn or somewhere of the like.
I think it would be a shame if you didn't transfer to some other school so you can spew your crap there. What a stupid thing to come on here and say. What a total tool.
 
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