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I really liked this column......

torbee

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Penned by a former colleague of mine. I like that he puts it in very plain, folksy prose and it doesn't come across as cheesy or virtue signalling:

Dear Uncle Jack, Don't fear the rainbow
Dear Uncle Jack,

We need to talk.

You've been my uncle for most of the years I've been alive, and for that I'm grateful. You've always treated me with kindness and a smile, and I love spending time with you guys when you come to town. You're a great uncle and I'm proud to say we're family.

But I'm a little less proud to have you as a Facebook friend.

I realized long ago that we're NEVER going to agree on politics. Every time I log onto social media, I brace for whatever offensive memes, cartoons, and manifestos you decide to share with the world. Your goal is to provoke, and you do a pretty good job. I've come to learn that the best course of action is usually to bite my tongue and resist the urge to return fire. Whenever someone disagrees with you, it just fans the flame and inspires more eye-rolling content.

I'm never going to change your opinion when it comes to politics, and you're never going to change mine. So rather than waste our time starting flame wars on Facebook, it's usually best if I just ignore your rants and keep my trap shut. Trust me, I've become pretty adept at swiping past your many posts.

But I can't swipe this week away. You can rag on #fakenews and invent Benghazi conspiracies all the live-long day for all I care. But now, you've decided to celebrate Pride month by unleashing a daily stream of gay-bashing, and I can't ignore hateful nonsense like this. So let's have a chat.

I'm not gay, but I try to be an ally to my friends in the LGBTQ+ community. I support their rights, but I also support freedom of speech. As long as it doesn't escalate into threats, hate speech, or libel, you have the right to express your opinion on anything you want. That's what makes America so great. When those hateful clowns from Westboro show up to picket funerals, most of us justifiably want to punch their lights out. I choose to ignore their despicable rhetoric and instead celebrate that we live in a country where even ignorant buffoons have the right to speak their minds (or lack thereof).

I get that you have some religious issues with "alternative lifestyles." That's your right, too. I'm no theologian, and I'm not qualified to argue on the accuracy of the specific translations of those one or two Old Testament verses you repeatedly fall back on. But I'm pretty sure using the Bible to justify and fuel hatred and intolerance is the exact opposite of everything I know about Christianity. Jesus said nothing in the New Testament about being gay. If it wasn't a big enough deal for him to weigh in on, why do you feel the need?

You don't like gay people. Well, I don't like onions — but you don't see me outside of McDonalds onion-shaming everyone who walks out with a Quarter Pounder. If you think it's wrong to be gay, then my best advice to you is: don't be gay. Is there really need for more discussion? No one is trying to indoctrinate you or your grandkids into the gay cabal. If you're not gay, then the gay agenda shouldn't concern you. Love who you love, and let others love who they love. Everyone lives happily ever after, and I can go back to checking Facebook without wincing.

The other day, you asserted that being gay is "a choice." I hold a different opinion, and so does most of the country, and so does science. But for the sake of argument, let's do an experiment real quick. If you're certain that a person "chooses" to be gay, then put your money where your mouth is and give it a whirl. For the next five minutes, choose to be gay. Don't worry, I won't tell anyone. I dunno, go find a picture of the dude who plays Aquaman and see if you can choose to be attracted to him.

No luck? I guess this means one of two things. Either (a) you're more of a Clooney type, or (b) maybe there's a teensy tiny chance that folks don't get to choose who they're attracted to.

What really made me write this column, though, was this gem you posted today: "Dear LGBT, if you don't want to be treated differently for being gay, then stop acting like being gay somehow makes you special. Your sexual orientation is neither an achievement nor a holiday." This, more than anything else, shows how much you're missing the point. Pride has nothing to do with wanting to be seen as special. It's about wanting to be seen as equal. It's about bravery and strength. It's about taking pride in your true self. It's about tolerance and acceptance and celebrating the diversity that makes life so rich.

Equality shouldn't be an argument. It should be common sense. I have friends who are straight, gay, transgendered, and some whose orientation I don't know or care about. I just call them friends, and that's enough for me. I'm not a soapbox columnist who writes impassionated pieces that inspire social change. I'm the guy who writes about cats, bugs and reality TV. I'm the guy unashamed to quote Taylor Swift — and to that extent, Uncle Jack: "You need to calm down, you're being too loud."

I hope everybody had a wonderful Pride month. I see that July is National Aunt & Uncle Month. I'd send you a card, Uncle Jack, but I don't want to unfairly insinuate that being my uncle somehow makes you special. After all, having me as a nephew was a choice, and your familial orientation is neither an achievement nor a holiday.

You're my uncle and I love you. You'll always be family. But I just wanted you to know why you're no longer my Facebook friend.
 
I thought it was a fairly solid analogy.

How does someone being attracted to someone of their same sex have any more impact on your life as someone who likes onions, or is in to NASCAR or likes to go fishing?

Hmmmm....when is the Onion Lover's Pride parade going down?
 
Hmmmm....when is the Onion Lover's Pride parade going down?
I don't care for sweet corn (I know, shame on me for being an Iowan.)

I will not, however, be taking my protest signs here:

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So people will be all up in your face about their love of onions...dress up in Onion Drag?
 
So people will be all up in your face about their love of onions...dress up in Onion Drag?
Can you give me an example of "all up in your face?"

If you are uncomfortable with gays and their parades, why in the world would you be close enough where having them be "up in your face" would even be possible? That seems like a you problem, to me.
 
I have a cousin who is this way. He is 49 y/o and never had a job. He lives in a camper on his parents property. His rants about how great Bernie is and how everyone else should pay his way reminds me of this ( outside of the whole LGBQT part).
 
I'm sure Uncle Jack doesn't care for all the nonsense he sees on FB either, way over the top. Very cheesy writing, guy sounds like an epic tool.
 
How kind of him to keep his trap shut and then write an article for all to read. What a classy upstanding guy. Can't have an adult conversation with his uncle about thing they disagree upon but can pen a novel about his uncle being a bigot.

Dude is a tool
 
Crap this post is too long, but here you go. The writer and I would be good friends. We wouldn't agree on a lot, including the onion analogy or his little test about choosing to be gay, but we'd be good friends because he seems like a reasonable guy. I have one right wing facebook friend who does all of the initial things he pointed out, but not the gay bashing. I have a lot of lefty facebook friends who post equally nutty stuff the other way. All of the above have been "unfollowed" and even though my facebook feed is much more tolerable now, I've pretty much quit checking it.

What's the problem with the onion analogy? Well, there's nothing in the Torah, Koran, or Bible that is clearly against onions, and like it or not, faith drives values for many many people. They don't dislike homosexuality because they dislike the people who are homosexual, they dislike homosexuality because they know it's sin according to their doctrine, and they often see it as their mission to help them turn away from sin (yes, even though they have sin in their own lives). Or in the case of islamic extremists there's no restorative goal, because death seems to suffice in fulfilling their duty to the sinner. So unlike a dislike of onions, there are much deeper roots in why homosexuality is wrong. The author still makes an excellent overarching point...'let them do their thing and you do yours!' This would solve a lot of things.

The problem with his "you choose to be gay" analogy is that you can't simply choose to be gay (author knows this), nor would those who oppose homosexuality believe you could (I don't think the author understands this). The choice comes when you choose to follow a desire or choose not to. Some people are wired to want to have sex with animals, some are wired to want to have sex with people of the same sex, some want to have sex with children, and many are attracted to people of the opposite sex near their own age (heterosexuals). Now, all of those tendencies are natural for that individual, and that's when choice comes in. You either choose to follow your desire and pursue it, or choose to act against your desire in favor of some other value or belief you have that the desire is wrong or not for you (or illegal even). You see, you can't just "choose to be gay," you first have to have some natural desire to begin with that you then choose to act on or not act on. At some point, you choose to go one way or another. At some point, you choose whether you'll be gay, straight, or a goat f*^ker. Everyone agrees it's ok to be straight (life depends on some amount of this), everyone agrees you shouldn't be a goat f#$ker, and then there's homosexuality, and not everyone agrees on that one. Again, if everyone takes the advice of the author, then everyone can get along...
 
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Can you give me an example of "all up in your face?"

If you are uncomfortable with gays and their parades, why in the world would you be close enough where having them be "up in your face" would even be possible? That seems like a you problem, to me.

I stay away from any parade I am not drunk in
 
What's the problem with the onion analogy? Well, there's nothing in the Torah, Koran, or Bible that is clearly against onions, and like it or not, faith drives values for many many people.
Would you think it was stupid and ridiculous for a group to form a "Say No to Shellfish" protest group and have them picket outside and scream epithets at diners during Red Lobster's Endless Shrimp Week while posting horrible memes on Facebook about shrimp eaters being an abomination?

Because there are admonitions against eating shellfish in both the Torah and Old Testament.
 
Nephew would do well by just ignoring his uncle and keeping his mouth shut. The end result will probably end in losing an uncle. If he doesn't care, it doesn't matter.
 
Reason and tolerance. Those are too good words that far too often do not apply to people with strong religious beliefs. I am reasonable and attempt to be tolerant of people who believe in organized religion or ideologies that were made up by men a long time ago. Some of them refer to talking snakes, or about Elijah, or people rising from the dead etc. Some suggest that people who do not also follow their religion should be killed in the name of another ghost. I allow it even though it seems pretty silly and in some cases extreme in its violence. Where religion becomes ludicrous is when religious zealots use Freedom of Religion to deny others rights. I think freedom of religion should mean you can practice your religion without persecution. That's a pretty good deal because it doesnt list a set of religions. You can even have one called Scientology and hire Tom Cruise.
You can choose not to follow your natural sexual tendencies. You can also easily choose not to be blinded by religion which has never ever been suggested to be genetically linked by science.
 
Would you think it was stupid and ridiculous for a group to form a "Say No to Shellfish" protest group and have them picket outside and scream epithets at diners during Red Lobster's Endless Shrimp Week while posting horrible memes on Facebook about shrimp eaters being an abomination?

Because there are admonitions against eating shellfish in both the Torah and Old Testament.
I didn't, nor would I condone that. Maybe you meant to reply to someone else. I promoted letting people do their thing, as the author suggests. Yesterday you condoned throwing urine and other stuff on a conservative journalist. I wouldn't condone that either. We just disagree on stuff.
 
I didn't, nor would I condone that. Maybe you meant to reply to someone else. I promoted letting people do their thing, as the author suggests. Yesterday you condoned throwing urine and other stuff on a conservative journalist. I wouldn't condone that either. We just disagree on stuff.
I did not condone it in the least.

I laughed at Matt Gaetz running to Twitter to tattle because his wittle feewing was hurt.
 
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Crap this post is too long, but here you go. The writer and I would be good friends. We wouldn't agree on a lot, including the onion analogy or his little test about choosing to be gay, but we'd be good friends because he seems like a reasonable guy. I have one right wing facebook friend who does all of the initial things he pointed out, but not the gay bashing. I have a lot of lefty facebook friends who post equally nutty stuff the other way. All of the above have been "unfollowed" and even though my facebook feed is much more tolerable now, I've pretty much quit checking it.

What's the problem with the onion analogy? Well, there's nothing in the Torah, Koran, or Bible that is clearly against onions, and like it or not, faith drives values for many many people. They don't dislike homosexuality because they dislike the people who are homosexual, they dislike homosexuality because they know it's sin according to their doctrine, and they often see it as their mission to help them turn away from sin (yes, even though they have sin in their own lives). Or in the case of islamic extremists there's no restorative goal, because death seems to suffice in fulfilling their duty to the sinner. So unlike a dislike of onions, there are much deeper roots in why homosexuality is wrong. The author still makes an excellent overarching point...'let them do their thing and you do yours!' This would solve a lot of things.

The problem with his "you choose to be gay" analogy is that you can't simply choose to be gay (author knows this), nor would those who oppose homosexuality believe you could (I don't think the author understands this). The choice comes when you choose to follow a desire or choose not to. Some people are wired to want to have sex with animals, some are wired to want to have sex with people of the same sex, some want to have sex with children, and many are attracted to people of the opposite sex near their own age (heterosexuals). Now, all of those tendencies are natural for that individual, and that's when choice comes in. You either choose to follow your desire and pursue it, or choose to act against your desire in favor of some other value or belief you have that the desire is wrong or not for you (or illegal even). You see, you can't just "choose to be gay," you first have to have some natural desire to begin with that you then choose to act on or not act on. At some point, you choose to go one way or another. At some point, you choose whether you'll be gay, straight, or a goat f*^ker. Everyone agrees it's ok to be straight (life depends on some amount of this), everyone agrees you shouldn't be a goat f#$ker, and then there's homosexuality, and not everyone agrees on that one. Again, if everyone takes the advice of the author, then everyone can get along...

I agree with most of what you have to say but I do have a few issues.

One there has been in the past and even now a issue of Christians (and not Christians even) hating the sinner along with the sin when the sin happens to be homosexuality. I think that's pretty hard to deny.

The other issue is that saying choosing to be gay is talking about how they react to their attractions is a very poor use of words. For most of the world saying you are gay means that you are attracted to people of the same sex, not that you have actually experienced it. I'm straight (heterosexual) but I was straight (heterosexual) long before I actually had sex. I was attracted to Vanna White before I even knew what sex was.

So if that's what someone means by "choosing to be gay" they are spectacularly failing to communicate their meaning. Because no one would say that I chose to be straight the day I lost my virginity.
 
Some people are wired to want to have sex with animals, some are wired to want to have sex with people of the same sex, some want to have sex with children, and many are attracted to people of the opposite sex near their own age (heterosexuals)
Two of these things are not like the other.

Your analogy is horrible. Worse than the onion one of the OP.
 
Crap this post is too long, but here you go. The writer and I would be good friends. We wouldn't agree on a lot, including the onion analogy or his little test about choosing to be gay, but we'd be good friends because he seems like a reasonable guy. I have one right wing facebook friend who does all of the initial things he pointed out, but not the gay bashing. I have a lot of lefty facebook friends who post equally nutty stuff the other way. All of the above have been "unfollowed" and even though my facebook feed is much more tolerable now, I've pretty much quit checking it.

What's the problem with the onion analogy? Well, there's nothing in the Torah, Koran, or Bible that is clearly against onions, and like it or not, faith drives values for many many people. They don't dislike homosexuality because they dislike the people who are homosexual, they dislike homosexuality because they know it's sin according to their doctrine, and they often see it as their mission to help them turn away from sin (yes, even though they have sin in their own lives). Or in the case of islamic extremists there's no restorative goal, because death seems to suffice in fulfilling their duty to the sinner. So unlike a dislike of onions, there are much deeper roots in why homosexuality is wrong. The author still makes an excellent overarching point...'let them do their thing and you do yours!' This would solve a lot of things.

The problem with his "you choose to be gay" analogy is that you can't simply choose to be gay (author knows this), nor would those who oppose homosexuality believe you could (I don't think the author understands this). The choice comes when you choose to follow a desire or choose not to. Some people are wired to want to have sex with animals, some are wired to want to have sex with people of the same sex, some want to have sex with children, and many are attracted to people of the opposite sex near their own age (heterosexuals). Now, all of those tendencies are natural for that individual, and that's when choice comes in. You either choose to follow your desire and pursue it, or choose to act against your desire in favor of some other value or belief you have that the desire is wrong or not for you (or illegal even). You see, you can't just "choose to be gay," you first have to have some natural desire to begin with that you then choose to act on or not act on. At some point, you choose to go one way or another. At some point, you choose whether you'll be gay, straight, or a goat f*^ker. Everyone agrees it's ok to be straight (life depends on some amount of this), everyone agrees you shouldn't be a goat f#$ker, and then there's homosexuality, and not everyone agrees on that one. Again, if everyone takes the advice of the author, then everyone can get along...
If they’re just trying to prevent sin, let me know when they start picketing Red Lobster.
 
Would you think it was stupid and ridiculous for a group to form a "Say No to Shellfish" protest group and have them picket outside and scream epithets at diners during Red Lobster's Endless Shrimp Week while posting horrible memes on Facebook about shrimp eaters being an abomination?

Because there are admonitions against eating shellfish in both the Torah and Old Testament.
Damn it. :)
 
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