I want to see what our guards will look/play like in the worst way

[perryhawk]

I think our front line will be strong.....solid players with scoring and rebounding. Joe W, obviously looking at him as a wing will by a dynamic player who can get it done inside and out (proven).

Bottom line for me, this coming season depends in large part on our guard play. I think we have some talent.....it's just very hard to envision the level that these guys can play at. I am really anxious to see them play.

Any inside tidbits would be appreciated......

I'm glad the FB season is kicking off, but that does not satisfy my need for a bball fix!

 

[CanadaHawk]

Was this Pat Harty tweet from August 15 posted here yet?:
“I keep hearing from people who would know, and who aren’t just kool-aid drinking Hawkeye homers, that freshman point guard joe Toussaint is the real deal and should play a significant role this season. Great quickness and more skilled offensively than previously thought.”

 

[perryhawk]

Was this Pat Harty tweet from August 15 posted here yet?:
“I keep hearing from people who would know, and who aren’t just kool-aid drinking Hawkeye homers, that freshman point guard joe Toussaint is the real deal and should play a significant role this season. Great quickness and more skilled offensively than previously thought.”

Thank you....I had seen that. Haven't heard a word on Bakari or anything recently on CJ....

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Exactly correct. If our guards are as good as reports from practices, Iowa could be a huge surprise. And Nunge could be the cherry on top.

 

[jasonrann]

Thank you....I had seen that. Haven't heard a word on Bakari or anything recently on CJ....

I cannot remember the poster's name, but he posted an update about CJ around the time the season ended. The poster had attended several practices. He said CJ was the real deal, quick off the dribble, bouncy, could finish around the rim and was a very good shooter from distance.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

There have also been some practice and player reports that our new guards like to play defense

 

[CanadaHawk]

Exactly correct. If our guards are as good as reports from practices, Iowa could be a huge surprise. And Nunge could be the cherry on top.

I look at this differently. The strength of this team is still up front. That’s the meat and potatoes. Garza needs a shooter at the 4 to free him up. Cook was an athletic enough threat that he and Luka kind of made the marriage in the post work. But with Cook gone we actually need someone to make space with their shooting at the 4. So Nunge (or Kriener) is kind of a starting necessity at PF.

The new guys at guard you could think of as the new WR corps the FB team has. It’s something that Iowa hasn’t had in a while. The speed will definitely help, especially since Iowa likes to run. But the strength of the team is still up front.

 

[Kurt Warner]

Was this Pat Harty tweet from August 15 posted here yet?:
“I keep hearing from people who would know, and who aren’t just kool-aid drinking Hawkeye homers, that freshman point guard joe Toussaint is the real deal and should play a significant role this season. Great quickness and more skilled offensively than previously thought.”

Me likes me likes

 

[icwesthawk]

Guards are going to surprise, I think. If the unknown up front, Pemsl and Nunge, produce, it could be a really good season.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

Gotta share Perry's enthusiasm. Off season chatter is like intel gathering. Lots of dots and the genius is collecting the right ones to accurately predict performance.

While you can never truly count on anything from a kid that has yet to play there has been an unusually large amount of positive chatter about the CJF and Joey T. The handful of folks I still know that get a chance to see some practice/scrimmage time have had nothing worse to say about either kid than Joey's not a good shooter and both kids are mouthy and cocky; which was not said as a compliment but something I like in a player if they can back it up.

Eager to see what they can do when the real bullets fly.

 

[skydog0784]

I cannot remember the poster's name, but he posted an update about CJ around the time the season ended. The poster had attended several practices. He said CJ was the real deal, quick off the dribble, bouncy, could finish around the rim and was a very good shooter from distance.

I remember reading these updates too.

There was another poster on here claiming to have a mutual friend with Pemsl and Cordell said that CJ “is the truth”. Sounds like a major compliment to me.

No way of knowing for sure if valid but strikes me as credible.

 

[jasonrann]

I remember reading these updates too.

There was another poster on here claiming to have a mutual friend with Pemsl and Cordell said that CJ “is the truth”. Sounds like a major compliment to me.

No way of knowing for sure if valid but strikes me as credible.

I remember reading this, but couldn't remember what Pemsl called him. Thanks!!

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

I look at this differently. The strength of this team is still up front. That’s the meat and potatoes. Garza needs a shooter at the 4 to free him up. Cook was an athletic enough threat that he and Luka kind of made the marriage in the post work. But with Cook gone we actually need someone to make space with their shooting at the 4. So Nunge (or Kriener) is kind of a starting necessity at PF.

The new guys at guard you could think of as the new WR corps the FB team has. It’s something that Iowa hasn’t had in a while. The speed will definitely help, especially since Iowa likes to run. But the strength of the team is still up front.

My "exactly correct" was agreeing with the OP saying that the inside was a sure strength. I think Nunge will end up being the best all-round big, but maybe not this year. If the guards are also good, watch out. I don't think we will miss Cook at all, unless there are injuries.

 

[tony0051]

There is a NYC publication called NYChoops.com . They follow NYC high school players like no other. NYC had a couple top 100 players this year and next. They ranked Joe T as best player in the city. Dude can play.

Conner is a quality sub. JBo is obvious X-factor. Otherwise, I think we need some help on D.

 

[Hawksfor3]

season depends in large part on our guard play.

I agree, and toss in a heapin' helpin' of good rebounding by our bigs and it should be good fun to watch!

 

[kcgolfer]

I look at this differently. The strength of this team is still up front. That’s the meat and potatoes. Garza needs a shooter at the 4 to free him up. Cook was an athletic enough threat that he and Luka kind of made the marriage in the post work. But with Cook gone we actually need someone to make space with their shooting at the 4. So Nunge (or Kriener) is kind of a starting necessity at PF.

The new guys at guard you could think of as the new WR corps the FB team has. It’s something that Iowa hasn’t had in a while. The speed will definitely help, especially since Iowa likes to run. But the strength of the team is still up front.

You are only as good as your guards in college basketball.

 

[CanadaHawk]

You are only as good as your guards in college basketball.

Doesn’t change that fact that Iowa’s best players are in the front court this year. Those guys have got to produce because, this year, they’re better than the backcourt. But you’re right too in that the front court on any team can only be as good as the backcourt allows them to be.

 

[perryhawk]

Doesn’t change that fact that Iowa’s best players are in the front court this year. Those guys have got to produce because, this year, they’re better than the backcourt. But you’re right too in that the front court on any team can only be as good as the backcourt allows them to be.

I guess my point in the OP was the fact that we really don’t know how good our guards are....you’re probably right, the front court probably is better than the back court...but we really need to see them play to know...

 

[BirdistheWord]

Projected minutes w/JoBo. Assumption is we would run some sets with smaller lineup. (The 4/5 has Garza, Nunge, Kreiner and Pemsl totaling 70/80 possible minutes).

Weiskamp: 29
Garza: 25
JoBo: 24
CJ: 22
Toussant: 19
Nunge: 18
Kreiner: 17
Connor: 15
Evelyn: 11
Pemsl: 10
Patrick: 10

and....w/o Jobo
Weiskamp: 33
Garza: 25
CJ: 27
Toussant: 24
Nunge: 18
Kreiner: 17
Connor: 20
Evelyn: 16
Pemsl: 10
Patrick: 10

 

[icwesthawk]

Projected minutes w/JoBo. Assumption is we would run some sets with smaller lineup. (The 4/5 has Garza, Nunge, Kreiner and Pemsl totaling 70/80 possible minutes).

Weiskamp: 29
Garza: 25
JoBo: 24
CJ: 22
Toussant: 19
Nunge: 18
Kreiner: 17
Connor: 15
Evelyn: 11
Pemsl: 10
Patrick: 10

You really think JBO plays this year? I don't. Evelyn, Joe T, CJ and Connor and a little bit of Joe W, those are our guards this season. I think next season is our chance to be really good. This season could be good too, under the radar again.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

It would be an amazing recovery if Jordan can play this year. I have these books called "Medical Atlas For Lawyers." Looked up what I think is a similar surgery. Six months recover for the average person. Gotta think the recovery, while faster for a young D1 athlete than the average person, also carries the need for a much higher level of joint/muscle strength and flexibility than required by some fat ass like me that suffers a similar injury.

Just don't see Jordan playing this season.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

For some reason I thought it had been unofficially decided that JBo would spend an extra year recovering. Too early to know, but it sure sounds like it will be better than it has been in a few years, especially on the defensive end.

 

[SSG T]

For some reason I thought it had been unofficially decided that JBo would spend an extra year recovering. Too early to know, but it sure sounds like it will be better than it has been in a few years, especially on the defensive end.

I think JBo said somewhere he wasn't going to play unless he was 100% at the start of the season. I'd be shocked if he was 100% at the start of the season and mildly surprised if he got there by Jan.

 

[BirdistheWord]

You really think JBO plays this year? I don't. Evelyn, Joe T, CJ and Connor and a little bit of Joe W, those are our guards this season. I think next season is our chance to be really good. This season could be good too, under the radar again.

I have no freakin idea, just projecting if he does play. I have edited and added a version (see above) without him. It was a lot easier to dish out minutes!

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Projected minutes w/JoBo. Assumption is we would run some sets with smaller lineup. (The 4/5 has Garza, Nunge, Kreiner and Pemsl totaling 70/80 possible minutes).

Weiskamp: 29
Garza: 25
JoBo: 24
CJ: 22
Toussant: 19
Nunge: 18
Kreiner: 17
Connor: 15
Evelyn: 11
Pemsl: 10
Patrick: 10

and....w/o Jobo
Weiskamp: 33
Garza: 25
CJ: 27
Toussant: 24
Nunge: 18
Kreiner: 17
Connor: 20
Evelyn: 16
Pemsl: 10
Patrick: 10

I like your edited minutes and hope they are close, because it will mean that CJ, JoeT and Nunge are the real deal.

 

[BirdistheWord]

I like your edited minutes and hope they are close, because it will mean that CJ, JoeT and Nunge are the real deal.

Yes, good point. Really difficult to project guys that have never played a lick like CJF and Toussant and Nunge to a certain degree. I referenced last years minutes as context. The guy that was hard to NOT give minutes to was Connor. He played in the upper teens last year IIRC so could not fathom him going too far backwards. I feel pretty good about the minutes for the 4/5 as Garza and Kreiner were solid last year. Weezy not that difficult, assuming he mostly stays at the "small" 3. The PG and SG are such a crapshoot.

Minutes are the key, dont really care who starts or who "plays."

 

[Hawk-Fran1]

Can’t wait to watch CJF play. He’s special.

 

[CanadaHawk]

“Freshman consensus 4* forward plays 10 minutes/game at Iowa.”

That’s not going to happen. He’d RS before it did and I don’t think he will.

 

[Hawk-Fran1]

Patrick will play big minutes.

 

[SSG T]

“Freshman consensus 4* forward plays 10 minutes/game at Iowa.”

That’s not going to happen. He’d RS before it did and I don’t think he will.

I think he'll be an almost direct replacement for Baer. Baer played 19mpg last season, Patrick will be close to that +/- a couple of min.

 

[unIowa]

You are only as good as your guards in college basketball.

That is ok bc JW will most likely get some time at the 2 and PMac will take some of his minutes at the 3. So if guys slotted to man the 2 don't pan out as planned then that will always be an option. Honestly I think this team will be fine at the guard spot as we are hearing really good things about JT, Connor is a quality back-up PG and there is some flexibility at the 2 provided PMac plays up to his top100 ranking (and I think he will).

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

Lot of guys I know think P McC is going to be pretty good next year and really good before he's done. The Baer analogy is a popular projection. P McC has a much higher ceiling but skill sets appear similar.

Have to agree with unIowa, assuming the freshmen are ready to play serious minutes it looks like the roster allows many different looks.

 

[DanHawkPella]

Baer was mostly a bouncy, hustle guy with extremely good instincts who developed a jumper as he matured, but not much of a game off the bounce.

PMac is longer and skinnier and should have similar shot blocking and shooting ability right away. What he brings that is unique is a point forward skill with the ball in his hands where he plays more like a guard on the fast break and will be able to dribble drive and score off the bounce if he doesn't get pushed off his line too much by stronger defenders. His length will cause problems with small defenders and his ball handling will cause problems for larger ones. He should be good on the offensive glass where skinny, long, bouncy guys do well, but it will be tough for him on the defensive glass. Fortunately at SF it's not quite as big of a deal as it would be if he was a PF.

Baer was able to defend PF's probably better than PMac will. But I think as a 15 mpg substitute for Wieskamp that he'll be pretty effective even early on. Time will tell on his weight gain - Bartels, Uthoff and a few others are testament that you can't always make someone thick, but even they were able to gain 10-15 pounds over time.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Nick couldn’t dribble. Patrick is a great ball handler and facilitator at his size.

 

[SSG T]

Keep in mind, when I say Pat will fill Baer's spot, I'm not talking about skillset. Just that he'll fill those minutes and position Baer did. We won't see Baer redux this season.

 

[hooper56]

Got to get Patty healthy.......

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

Projected minutes w/JoBo. Assumption is we would run some sets with smaller lineup. (The 4/5 has Garza, Nunge, Kreiner and Pemsl totaling 70/80 possible minutes).

Weiskamp: 29
Garza: 25
JoBo: 24
CJ: 22
Toussant: 19
Nunge: 18
Kreiner: 17
Connor: 15
Evelyn: 11
Pemsl: 10
Patrick: 10

and....w/o Jobo
Weiskamp: 33
Garza: 25
CJ: 27
Toussant: 24
Nunge: 18
Kreiner: 17
Connor: 20
Evelyn: 16
Pemsl: 10
Patrick: 10

If either of these are accurate this team is in big trouble.

 

[Hawk-Fran1]

Why?

 

[jasonrann]

Baer was mostly a bouncy, hustle guy with extremely good instincts who developed a jumper as he matured, but not much of a game off the bounce.

PMac is longer and skinnier and should have similar shot blocking and shooting ability right away. What he brings that is unique is a point forward skill with the ball in his hands where he plays more like a guard on the fast break and will be able to dribble drive and score off the bounce if he doesn't get pushed off his line too much by stronger defenders. His length will cause problems with small defenders and his ball handling will cause problems for larger ones. He should be good on the offensive glass where skinny, long, bouncy guys do well, but it will be tough for him on the defensive glass. Fortunately at SF it's not quite as big of a deal as it would be if he was a PF.

Baer was able to defend PF's probably better than PMac will. But I think as a 15 mpg substitute for Wieskamp that he'll be pretty effective even early on. Time will tell on his weight gain - Bartels, Uthoff and a few others are testament that you can't always make someone thick, but even they were able to gain 10-15 pounds over time.

Excellent points, thank you for posting.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

Baer was mostly a bouncy, hustle guy with extremely good instincts who developed a jumper as he matured, but not much of a game off the bounce.

PMac is longer and skinnier and should have similar shot blocking and shooting ability right away. What he brings that is unique is a point forward skill with the ball in his hands where he plays more like a guard on the fast break and will be able to dribble drive and score off the bounce if he doesn't get pushed off his line too much by stronger defenders. His length will cause problems with small defenders and his ball handling will cause problems for larger ones. He should be good on the offensive glass where skinny, long, bouncy guys do well, but it will be tough for him on the defensive glass. Fortunately at SF it's not quite as big of a deal as it would be if he was a PF.

Baer was able to defend PF's probably better than PMac will. But I think as a 15 mpg substitute for Wieskamp that he'll be pretty effective even early on. Time will tell on his weight gain - Bartels, Uthoff and a few others are testament that you can't always make someone thick, but even they were able to gain 10-15 pounds over time.

Agree, good analysis.

On a happy note my boys in IC, after failing to induce me to leave my house and go to the game tomorrow, said they've been catching up on some scrimmages. I again forgot to ask if they saw any coaches around. Anyway, my boys remain high on the new guys. They said Joey T and CJF are funny together. They not only talk a lot of shit in general but are really, in a good way, yapping at each other on defense. They apparently have some kind of a sudden ball trap where they seem to spontaneously attack the ball handler-and laugh and some other similar hi jinx.

We could use a couple of characters on the team which kind of generally lacks personality with Jordan Bo off the court.