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Maybe not, but to just dismiss it because you hadn't heard it before is not a good idea. We've been lied to since we were in elementary school, how can anyone be so sure that this is wrong without doing any research on it?

There's a difference between questioning what you know and believing every conspiracy theory on the internet. It's not even that fine of a line.

You want to tell me thousands of German prisoners were murdered and it was covered up, I'd believe it was possible. But 9 to 15 million? That's nothing but fantasy. The sheer amount of evidence that would have to be hidden is too immense to even make it conceivably possible.
 
There's a difference between questioning what you know and believing every conspiracy theory on the internet. It's not even that fine of a line.

You want to tell me thousands of German prisoners were murdered and it was covered up, I'd believe it was possible. But 9 to 15 million? That's nothing but fantasy. The sheer amount of evidence that would have to be hidden is too immense to even make it conceivably possible.

I'm not talking about believing it. I'm talking about not just dismissing it. Do you think they've told us about all of our kills in the ME?
 
I'm not talking about believing it. I'm talking about not just dismissing it. Do you think they've told us about all of our kills in the ME?

God, no. And I'm sure it would be devastating to know about it. But the sheer scale of systematically killing 9 million people and hiding it isn't possible. It just isn't.
 
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God, no. And I'm sure it would be devastating to know about it. But the sheer scale of systematically killing 9 million people and hiding it isn't possible. It just isn't.

But it isn't hidden. That's what I don't understand. You have people on record, talking about it. Do you think the British or French governments would blow the whistle on it if they knew? They HATE the Germans. I'm definitely going to read what they have to say and look for other information on it and make my own decision.
 
No, I've been a WWII history buff my whole life. And while it's been documented that Wehrmacht troops were in many cases mistreated after the war, I'm not going to believe that US troops committed genocide based on some random internet article that is clearly a batshit crazy conspiracy theory.

At the beginning of 1945 the Germans still had millions of troops under arms. As the Wehrmacht and Volkstrum collapsed in April 1945 the bulk were simply processed and discharged. In addition close to 20 million Germans and Volksdeutsch were fleeing the eastern provinces from the Red Army. Some crack pot 'historians' claimed that the millions who were simply released were in actuality systematically murdered - mainly through starvation and exposure to the elements.
 
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But it isn't hidden. That's what I don't understand. You have people on record, talking about it. Do you think the British or French governments would blow the whistle on it if they knew? They HATE the Germans. I'm definitely going to read what they have to say and look for other information on it and make my own decision.

Out of a prewar population of 83,000,000 the German armed forces lost 7,500,000 casualties in WWII. Of that total 2,500,000 German troops died during the conflict. That is from a total armed force of 13,000,000. Another 4,500,000 were conscripted into the Volksstrum (People's Militia) from the fall of 1944 until the end of the war. To believe that over half of the 17,500,000 Germans who shouldered arms for the Third Reich perished is complete nonsense.

From a purely demographic standpoint German society couldn't have withstood those losses -aside from there being no serious evidence to support such claims.
 
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Yeah, all those airplanes full of passengers didn't really crash on 9/11, either. All those people were simply "disappeared" by the government and the feds blew up the Twin Towers and the Pentagon.

It's true! I read it on the internets!
 
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Yeah, all those airplanes full of passengers didn't really crash on 9/11, either. All those people were simply "disappeared" by the government and the feds blew up the Twin Towers and the Pentagon.

It's true! I read it on the internets!
The Vietnam War started because of the Gulf of Tonkin incident.*

James Earl Ray killed MLK.*

The 'war to end all wars' started because the Archduke Ferdinand was assassinated.*

The government would never treat black people worse than dogs like they did in Tuskegee.*

*lie (and there's hundreds more where these came from).

I'll never understand people's desire to believe sociopaths and the lying media whores that spread their propaganda. But when a guy like Hitler comes around, it sure must come in handy to have lots of 'em around. :D
 
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Shank, I haven't read the article or watched the video yet, but there's no chance most of the people in this thread would even try. They think they know all and that's why they don't know anything.
Such a weird dig to try to get in. "I'm not going to do it, but I want to judge others for not doing it just like me"
 
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In response to said book is this https://www.quora.com/What-evidence...-starvation-of-the-Germans-after-World-War-II

I think the book assumed 3.1-2.1=1=those 1m must have all died.

I was looking at that, but didn't post it as a source, however it's good to give a basic explanation of the issue.

My argument is just the simple one. . . Where is the positive evidence that these people where all killed or died? A million people don't just disappear, The Nazi's couldn't cover up the Holocaust and there is no way the allies could have covered this up. But there are not only no bodies to be found but there are also no relatives talking about how Eisenhower starved their dad to death in the POW camps.

You can't kill a million people without bodies and millions of relatives demanding to know what the heck happened.
 
Shank is gonna have to try a little harder if he wants to top oit for the title of Batshit Craziest on HROT. But he's in the running for 2nd. That naturalbornhawk guy may be by later to contend as well.
 
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But it isn't hidden. That's what I don't understand. You have people on record, talking about it. Do you think the British or French governments would blow the whistle on it if they knew? They HATE the Germans. I'm definitely going to read what they have to say and look for other information on it and make my own decision.

I wish someone would answer my question about where the bodies are and why German relatives havn't been asking questions for the last 70 freaking years about where their father is and what happened to his body.

It's not like a million freaking people could die and have us just tell all their relatives that he died but we don't know where his body is when he was in a freaking POW camp. And what about their fellow POW's? None of them noticed that a million in their number or at the very least a good number of their friends suddenly just went missing from the camp?

I'm not here trying to defend Eisenhower's legacy or something like that, I'm just defending proper history and critical thinking. One death or a few deaths could conceivably be covered up, not a million. There are always relatives and there are always friends who are going to ask what the heck happened. And there where certainly many of them still alive in 1989 when the book was written. Those people arn't just going to accept that their loved one and his body just simply disappeared.

In fact that sort of begs the question as to why the person writing this book did not go through the POW rolls, track down the relatives of one or a few of the dudes that he say where exterminated by the US and ask them what they know. I'm guessing a lot of them would dispute the theory that their loved one was killed with things like, personal testimony of their loved one coming home or being home after the war, death records, photographs, a grave showing he died well after the war.

This whole thing makes no freaking sense on the face of it. It's just like the idea that we never went to the moon. The whole thing requires the absolute silence of millions of people for no reason what so ever. . . and a laser reflector somehow being conjured up on the moon.
 
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Keep not thinking, brutha. The status quo depends on you.
You forgot to add that you will keep not thinking too, but criticize others for acting just like you. Holy smokes you are off your meds. You like to portray yourself as some enlightened being all the while failing yourself to even investigate this topic. You lose all your fairy points. BTW, I did read up on this topic and he is wrong. You're welcome, you can turn your brain off for another day.
 
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Well this thread went a different direction than what I was expecting....to sort of paraphrase KF "That's HROT"
 
More lies (obviously!) from the Nazi apologists at Veterans Today.

Eisenhower Deliberately Circumvents Geneva Convention

Like Bush II, Eisenhower deliberated created a new category of prisoners called Disarmed Enemy Forces (DEF), so he wouldn’t be bound by the Geneva Convention regarding treatment of Prisoners of War (POWs).

His treatment of POWs worsened following the May 8, 1945 armistice with Germany, as he no longer feared German retaliation against American POWs. In all, 800,000 German POWS died in French and US POW camps after the war ended the armistice. This contrasts with German treatment of Allied POWs, which followed the Geneva Convention 99% of the time.

The book contains victim statements from German POWS held in outdoor pens where they were drenched by continuous rain and fed 1/10 of a K ration three or for days a week. Eisenhower denied the Red Cross access to POW camps, as well as prohibiting them from supplying German prisoners food. The British, US and French military also used German POWs as slave labor, despite formal Red Cross protests that this, too, violated the Geneva Convention.

Now back to the worshiping of your false idols. Respected politician my *ss! :D
 
More lies (obviously!) from the Nazi apologists at Veterans Today.

Eisenhower Deliberately Circumvents Geneva Convention

Like Bush II, Eisenhower deliberated created a new category of prisoners called Disarmed Enemy Forces (DEF), so he wouldn’t be bound by the Geneva Convention regarding treatment of Prisoners of War (POWs).

His treatment of POWs worsened following the May 8, 1945 armistice with Germany, as he no longer feared German retaliation against American POWs. In all, 800,000 German POWS died in French and US POW camps after the war ended the armistice. This contrasts with German treatment of Allied POWs, which followed the Geneva Convention 99% of the time.

The book contains victim statements from German POWS held in outdoor pens where they were drenched by continuous rain and fed 1/10 of a K ration three or for days a week. Eisenhower denied the Red Cross access to POW camps, as well as prohibiting them from supplying German prisoners food. The British, US and French military also used German POWs as slave labor, despite formal Red Cross protests that this, too, violated the Geneva Convention.

Now back to the worshiping of your false idols. Respected politician my *ss! :D

Where are the bodies? Where are the missing men's relatives asking where they are. No one is arguing that German POW's may have been fed low rations and been hungry. No one is arguing that there may have been issues providing proper shelter to so many men.
 
More lies (obviously!) from the Nazi apologists at Veterans Today.

Eisenhower Deliberately Circumvents Geneva Convention

Like Bush II, Eisenhower deliberated created a new category of prisoners called Disarmed Enemy Forces (DEF), so he wouldn’t be bound by the Geneva Convention regarding treatment of Prisoners of War (POWs).

His treatment of POWs worsened following the May 8, 1945 armistice with Germany, as he no longer feared German retaliation against American POWs. In all, 800,000 German POWS died in French and US POW camps after the war ended the armistice. This contrasts with German treatment of Allied POWs, which followed the Geneva Convention 99% of the time.

The book contains victim statements from German POWS held in outdoor pens where they were drenched by continuous rain and fed 1/10 of a K ration three or for days a week. Eisenhower denied the Red Cross access to POW camps, as well as prohibiting them from supplying German prisoners food. The British, US and French military also used German POWs as slave labor, despite formal Red Cross protests that this, too, violated the Geneva Convention.

Now back to the worshiping of your false idols. Respected politician my *ss! :D

Also from Veterans Today: Islamic terror threat, a hoax created by Israel.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/12/09/trump-hoax/

Link something to a legitimate source documenting this genocide, not a whack job conspiracy website. I double dog dare you to find it.
 
More lies (obviously!) from the Nazi apologists at Veterans Today.

Eisenhower Deliberately Circumvents Geneva Convention

Like Bush II, Eisenhower deliberated created a new category of prisoners called Disarmed Enemy Forces (DEF), so he wouldn’t be bound by the Geneva Convention regarding treatment of Prisoners of War (POWs).

His treatment of POWs worsened following the May 8, 1945 armistice with Germany, as he no longer feared German retaliation against American POWs. In all, 800,000 German POWS died in French and US POW camps after the war ended the armistice. This contrasts with German treatment of Allied POWs, which followed the Geneva Convention 99% of the time.

The book contains victim statements from German POWS held in outdoor pens where they were drenched by continuous rain and fed 1/10 of a K ration three or for days a week. Eisenhower denied the Red Cross access to POW camps, as well as prohibiting them from supplying German prisoners food. The British, US and French military also used German POWs as slave labor, despite formal Red Cross protests that this, too, violated the Geneva Convention.

Now back to the worshiping of your false idols. Respected politician my *ss! :D
From the link above:

Historian Niall Ferguson calculated the mortality rates of POWs held by different nations as follows:

Percentage of POWs that Died:

Russian POWs held by Germans: 57.5%
German POWs held by Russians: 35.8%
American POWs held by Japanese: 33.0%
German POWs held by Eastern Europeans: 32.9%
British POWs held by Japanese: 24.8%
British POWs held by Germans: 3.5%
German POWs held by French: 2.58%
German POWs held by Americans: 0.15%
German POWs held by British: 0.03%

Why wont you investigate the truth? Why do you keep letting the conspiracy nuts lie to you? I know its so much more satisfying to think you have special insight. Two can play this game. :cool:
 
From the link above:

Historian Niall Ferguson calculated the mortality rates of POWs held by different nations as follows:

Percentage of POWs that Died:

Russian POWs held by Germans: 57.5%
German POWs held by Russians: 35.8%
American POWs held by Japanese: 33.0%
German POWs held by Eastern Europeans: 32.9%
British POWs held by Japanese: 24.8%
British POWs held by Germans: 3.5%
German POWs held by French: 2.58%
German POWs held by Americans: 0.15%
German POWs held by British: 0.03%

Why wont you investigate the truth? Why do you keep letting the conspiracy nuts lie to you? I know its so much more satisfying to think you have special insight. Two can play this game. :cool:

Paying attention isn't special insight.
 
10 years ago.

...is when you were kicked in the head by a horse? I'll never understand conspiracy theorists who want to believe you have "special knowledge" that everyone else ignores. It's a special kind of crazy to ignore overwhelming mountains of historical evidence to latch onto a hairbrained idea.

Nole, you need a shave. May I suggest Occam's Razors? "They cut right to the truth."
 
...is when you were kicked in the head by a horse? I'll never understand conspiracy theorists who want to believe you have "special knowledge" that everyone else ignores. It's a special kind of crazy to ignore overwhelming mountains of historical evidence to latch onto a hairbrained idea.

Nole, you need a shave. May I suggest Occam's Razors? "They cut right to the truth."

It isn't special knowledge. It's just not being so close-minded. And there's nothing "conspiracy theorist" about how f***ed up our government is, or why that is. You have thousands of years of history that explain it.
 
...is when you were kicked in the head by a horse? I'll never understand conspiracy theorists who want to believe you have "special knowledge" that everyone else ignores. It's a special kind of crazy to ignore overwhelming mountains of historical evidence to latch onto a hairbrained idea.

Nole, you need a shave. May I suggest Occam's Razors? "They cut right to the truth."
In this case its even better. Soup doesn't claim to know or even to be familiar with the special knowledge. He just believes in being special therefore anything ordinary should be rejected.
 
It isn't special knowledge. It's just not being so close-minded. And there's nothing "conspiracy theorist" about how f***ed up our government is, or why that is. You have thousands of years of history that explain it.
You really like to hang a lamp on it don't you?
 
What do those two posts have to do with each other?
I explained it to you already and you told me you were too ignorant to understand. When you admit to doing a thing but judge others for doing the same that's a position worthy of ridicule.
 
It isn't special knowledge. It's just not being so close-minded. And there's nothing "conspiracy theorist" about how f***ed up our government is, or why that is. You have thousands of years of history that explain it.

I'm not arguing the government does shitty stuff. I'm arguing that this specific conspiracy theory of a Wehrmacht genocide is 100% bunk. But you seem to have latched onto it like a lamprey, and it makes you look foolish. It devalues your prior efforts.
 
I have nothing against ordinary, as long as ordinary doesn't have an agenda.
You always forgive the agenda from your special sources, (which you don't even read in this case). You don't even know what you are defending. What a sight.
 
I'm not arguing the government does shitty stuff. I'm arguing that this specific conspiracy theory of a Wehrmacht genocide is 100% bunk. But you seem to have latched onto it like a lamprey, and it makes you look foolish. It devalues your prior efforts.

That's what I don't understand. Not once have I said that it was the truth in this thread. Why do you guys automatically believe that I've bought into this theory because I didn't outright reject it as soon as someone posted it?
 
You always forgive the agenda from your special sources, (which you don't even read in this case). You don't even know what you are defending. What a sight.

The difference is that my agenda is liberty. Your agenda is fascism. I don't care how you live your life as long as you don't hurt other people. You care deeply how I live my life, and feel that you should use force from a third party to get your way.


Edit: And I don't know what special sources I have. Maybe you could tell me.
 
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