He may have a good year next year, but only pick say four passes off. People outside will wonder what is the matter with him. I just don't think he can increase his stock by coming back. Its great for Iowa that he is coming back, but I am not sure its the right decision for him. He could always come back for his degree.
If King was a 2nd round pick...he is making a mistake
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Read this story in the Press-Citizen and maybe you'll understand King's decision a little better:
http://www.press-citizen.com/story/...-staying-in-college-for-senior-year/78307614/
http://www.press-citizen.com/story/...-staying-in-college-for-senior-year/78307614/
I think he can increase his stock. He is only 21 and will get better. He may not increase it a ton but he can increase it. I don't think a kid coming back to get his degree is ever a mistake. Just a different choice by someone who might have different priorities.
Do you know him? Do you know his values, or what's important to him? There will always be money there, to one degree or another. But maybe his decision wasn't based on money. I give the kid credit for looking at the whole picture and doing what's best for him (I wouldn't have faulted him for leaving either). Sometimes there's more to life than money.
He is projected as a first rounder? Wow...now I know its a mistake. I understand the degree motive, but he could still pursue that.
He's made the decision he feels is right for him, had he chosen to leave I'd say the same thing. How anyone can say it's a mistake or not at this point is beyond me.
Different folks have different goals. While you are looking strictly at the money aspect, he has clearly said that isn't the only factor to him.
Adrian Clayborn had a down year as a senior and still went in the 1st round. Interception numbers aren't a great litmus test. It's likely he'll have fewer interceptions for several reasons, mainly, teams won't throw to him as much. He was kind of an unknown commodity going into the season and teams didn't game plan around him. Look for that to happen this season.
The benefit is he'll have a lot more hype to build upon this season and if he has another solid year, he'll have a lot of name recognition heading into the draft.
The benefit is he'll have a lot more hype to build upon this season and if he has another solid year, he'll have a lot of name recognition heading into the draft.
I don't think interception numbers are going to be the determining factor. I thought he would leave but say he sees this as a chance to improve his draft stock even more to be a top half of the first round vs. end of first early second rounder. The difference between early first and end of first round guaranteed money and signing bonus are a difference.
He gets his degree, gets a chance to show this wasn't a fluke season. If he continues to break up passes and tackle the way he has he will be just fine even if the INT numbers don't follow. I really hope he avoids injury and everything works out. He will probably take out an insurance policy in case he drops for injury reasons.
He gets his degree, gets a chance to show this wasn't a fluke season. If he continues to break up passes and tackle the way he has he will be just fine even if the INT numbers don't follow. I really hope he avoids injury and everything works out. He will probably take out an insurance policy in case he drops for injury reasons.
I only think it's a mistake if he's a first rounder. He'll still be a 2nd rounder next year unless he's injured. I'm sure he'll get insurance.
Looking purely from a football standpoint:
Sometimes stats are overblown, but if an NFL scout makes their report on King based purely on his interception total, he is the one making the mistake. They will watch game film and judge other things like positioning, technique, and impact on the opponent's offense. If he is a cover corner, then you would want him to blanket the receiver, forcing the opponent to throw away from him. This naturally leads to fewer interceptions. It is, I think, a factor in why his picks dried up later in the year. It was just too foolish to throw his way.
Stepping back to the bigger picture, I agree with the general consensus of responders. There's more than money that went into his decision, and he is comfortable that he's making the right one for his situation and goals in life. I have no doubt he has considered the chance he may make less money, or even get hurt and make no money. He has considered that risk to be worth it.
Typically a really good cornerback's INTs go down the next year because teams do no throw his way. I really don't think his draft stock is going to go down at all unless he gets injured. From what I've been looking at he would be a 2-3 round pick currently. I don't see him doing any worse next year draft-wise.
In the NFL, your first contract is the most important contract. Most players don't get a second contract.
And there is a big difference in pay between being a late 2/early 3 round pick and being a late 1/early 2 round pick. You get more years, more guaranteed money, and higher pay. Scherff, for example, made a killing by coming back for his senior year and getting drafted Top 5 as opposed to late 1st round.
King is not an elite measurable guy. Another year of good film will do him good. I think his future might be FS in the NFL.
And there is a big difference in pay between being a late 2/early 3 round pick and being a late 1/early 2 round pick. You get more years, more guaranteed money, and higher pay. Scherff, for example, made a killing by coming back for his senior year and getting drafted Top 5 as opposed to late 1st round.
King is not an elite measurable guy. Another year of good film will do him good. I think his future might be FS in the NFL.
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The college experience is brief and irretrievable. Even though it was a while ago, when Chuck Long shocked everyone by returning for one last go-round in Iowa City, he said some of the same things Desmond is saying. He loves his teammates, and he wants to use that last year of eligibility to help the Hawkeyes win that Big Ten title and finish with a bowl win for the first time in his career.
Even though it's easy to get the impression that everybody does everything based on the bottom line, it's just not true. We still have an ample number of people who turn down bigger money to do jobs that help people. Sometimes, even a pro athlete takes less money because he places greater value on other aspects of life.
I admire everyone who follows his heart rather than following the money. Des will get his degree, and no one will ever be able to take that away. His mom is duly proud of her son, a young man who seems to have his head on straight...even if he does show up late for a meeting sometimes.
Des is another reason why it's easy to support this football team. May 2016 turn out to be everything Des and his Hawkeye teammates wish it to be.
Even though it's easy to get the impression that everybody does everything based on the bottom line, it's just not true. We still have an ample number of people who turn down bigger money to do jobs that help people. Sometimes, even a pro athlete takes less money because he places greater value on other aspects of life.
I admire everyone who follows his heart rather than following the money. Des will get his degree, and no one will ever be able to take that away. His mom is duly proud of her son, a young man who seems to have his head on straight...even if he does show up late for a meeting sometimes.
Des is another reason why it's easy to support this football team. May 2016 turn out to be everything Des and his Hawkeye teammates wish it to be.
And let's be honest, getting 8+ interceptions involves a lot of luck too. Very low chance he has another great interception year like he's having again.
You don't know anything here, besides what you would do with the limited knowledge you have about his situation.
Even if he ultimately doesn't want to play in the NFL, it's not for you to judge whether this is a mistake.
That's just not true. He is not going in the 4th round unless he would have had a horrible combine. His height isn't as big of a deal as people make it out to be. ALL of his measurables are are good as Senquez Golson who went in the 2nd round last year and is 5'9", 194lbs. That's just one example.
I didn't think King was fast until he was running after McCaffrey on the first play from scrimmage in the RB. He came across the field and was making up ground quick. He was on him at the goal line. McCaffrey supposedly runs a sub 4.4 forty. I don't think his height is a big factor either, 6'?
I think this is a sill question. How can you ever be making a mistake by getting your college degree? Yes I do understand the money he could possibly be losing, but a degree can help him down the road if the NFL thing doesn't work or and injury could end things prematurely.
Really glad to see that he is coming back to play for the Hawkeyes, but really glad he is doing it to get his degree.
Interceptions was just an example. I really don't see how you he can help his pro stock. He perhaps got advice that he wasn't going that high. I hope he made his decision putting aside how that last game must have felt.
Its easy to scheme away from him....put your best player in the backfield and run a wheel route; TD
Its easy to scheme away from him....put your best player in the backfield and run a wheel route; TD
King's size wasn't what hurt him, it was his speed. But what he lacks in speed, he makes up for in quickness, which is why he is such a good returner. Winfield had a great career as a corner. Hyde wasn't incredibly fast either, and that knocked him, and he's been having a good career.
Rookie contracts aren't what they use to be unless high pick like top ten. Then you're only an injury away from being cut and maybe out of the nfl and nothing to fall back on. Don't have to look farther than Sash as a recent example who self proclaimed he majored in football. It's paid for so get the degree.
NFL scouts don't look strictly at college production or awards. They have to be able to project them as a NFL player based on their skill sets, athleticism and coach able talent. If QB's don't throw his way and he doesn't get as many chances for picks, those scouts will still be able to evaluate why that is happening.
Furthermore, not everyone values money like you. It sounds like accomplishing a family dream of a college education, not leaving his teammates and finishing business are all more important. He sounds like a Hawkeye.
Furthermore, not everyone values money like you. It sounds like accomplishing a family dream of a college education, not leaving his teammates and finishing business are all more important. He sounds like a Hawkeye.
Yeah, so simple. Particularly when the wheel route is run by the AP player of the year who just broke Barry Sanders record for all purpose yards in a season. Can't believe all 14 teams we played this year didn't just listen to you!
I didn't see any other mock drafts where he was included. One guy saying it certainly doesn't even make it a possibility. Add in all guys that actually do declare to go early (January 18th) and the whole thing changes. Wasn't Carl Davis "projected" first round last year. Didn't go until third.
Personally, in light of tOSU's junior class rushing for the exits, there's something refreshing about a young man demonstrating a depth of character beyond "just money". He wants a degree and to help lead the Hawks to a championship and a bowl victory. Not hearing much of that kind of talk out of tOSU camp. I don't think the Hawks will suffer a void of leadership next year.
There is actually a chance next year is a BETTER year for King production wise.
Most QB avoided King and picked on Maybin. Greg's improvements this year mean there will probably be more opportunities for King. Also, the pass rush this year disappeared in a LOT of games. With a year of growth and strength from Hesse, Johnson and Bazata, the hope will be more pressure which results in better opportunities for WR.
Also, look at the last 4-5 weeks of the season for King and he actually was far below his standards. Dropped INT, increased penalties. His draft projects varied greatly and you only get one change. If he "could" be #19 or 4th round, an enjoyable year and solid 2nd round is actually an improvement.
Most QB avoided King and picked on Maybin. Greg's improvements this year mean there will probably be more opportunities for King. Also, the pass rush this year disappeared in a LOT of games. With a year of growth and strength from Hesse, Johnson and Bazata, the hope will be more pressure which results in better opportunities for WR.
Also, look at the last 4-5 weeks of the season for King and he actually was far below his standards. Dropped INT, increased penalties. His draft projects varied greatly and you only get one change. If he "could" be #19 or 4th round, an enjoyable year and solid 2nd round is actually an improvement.
If King had led Iowa to a national title and the best record in all of college football the last 2 years like those Buckeyes his decision would be a lot different. Most people are smart enough to realize being a first round draft pick doesn't prohibit you from completing your degree after your football career is over. How ignorant do you have to be to conclude someone has character by completing their degree at 22 and another person doesn't because they left college at 21 to make millions and returned to complete their degree at 30. That's beyond stupid and has everything to do with your selfishness as a fan and literally nothing to do with actual "depth of character."
You mad bro? Let's just say I have connections with Dez and know a bit more about him personally and his decision than you.
Why would I be? Because you're too ignorant to be able to separate character from your selfishness as a fan? I couldn't care less.
Dude calm down. If you read a bit slower I never gave an opinion on whether I personally wanted him to stay or not. After the CCG I was under the impression he was leaving and I was perfectly fine with that. I was actually surprised he stayed. So take your "selfishness as a fan" bit and stick it up your a$$.
