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If Tyler Cook Commits, some random thoughts.

DanL53

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1) There have been discussions of how long it should take to build a program. Two or three years? Five? I feel like one never finishes building a program. It's the nature of the business. If Iowa can win 23 games this year Coach McCaffery and team will have won ninety games in the last four years! That's year three to year six. Was the program built then when we won 25 games in year three?

2) So where does Tyler Cook fit in? Other than Gesell, who was just a river away from being an Iowan, Cook will be the first out of state recruit ranked in the top 150 by Rivals that Fran has brought into the program. Significant? Yes, just like opening up Chicago was last season. Just like taking back the state as McCaffery and staff did before that. And just like winning some recruiting battles for less heralded players that some big name programs were after was also significant.

3) In the end, it appears that it was a matter of time and the brick and mortar of building that lead to the commitment of Cook. (Assuming he does.) Each step of the way, the close misses, it just seemed like we had just not enough to offer. But we were always findings ways to increase what we had. Potential? NIT by the second year. Promise? Nearly an NCAA invite and second in the NIT? Progress? That NCAA invite. Proof? A Seventh Seed, an NCAA win, and Third Place in the Big Ten! Brick and mortar, and a matter of time.

4) Looking behind, we did this while Iowa suffered a drought of instate talent. Four years now without a Rivals top 150 in our State. 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016. Maybe only three years as Cordell Pemsl isn't don't yet and if he comes back from that knee surgery and the corrective measures taken to protect it...he could play his way back from close to, to in the top 150! But didn't we do it. :) Better, year after year. Despite the drought.

5) Looking ahead. And things can only get better when NOW the state of Iowa is producing some top players. I'd mention that should Cook commit we only have one scholarship left for 2017 and 2018! We're that far ahead in recruiting! That's a darn good team for years to come, from my vantage point. The thing is, we might lose a couple guys who don't earn playing time. Because it will be tough to earn time with the ceiling that our recruits come in with! But should we lose one or two? Opportunities to recruit not to sign five guys, four guys...but an additional scholarship here or there and looking for talent, not position. It's a tremendous opportunity, one that years ago Lute Olson mentioned when he had reached that point.

Conclusion. The question has always been the ceiling. It was pretty clear McCaffery could create a competitive program. But how far up the ladder? I'm feeling very optimistic. The best Big Ten program West of the Michigan's? :cool: That would put us in some elite company. Possible? I don't think it is beyond imagination. Just gotta keep building.
 
Fran is very competitive. I do not see him stopping either. We will not peak as a
Program until around 2019 or so, a year or three after Patrick joins.... Lots of great years ahead of us!
 
Good post Dan...I would add it takes the right fit for the recruit (as well as for Fran)...but also parent(s)...in this case Fran being Fran was the determining factor for both recruit & parents.

That was not the case with a recent recruit. It wasn't that Fran missed or couldn't close the deal...things took place that did not make it a good fit (for Iowa)...the fact that Fran was able to keep Jordan Bohannon was truly remarkable.

It will never be easy to recruit Rivals150...unfortunately there are some that are just not a good fit for reason or another....the key for Fran is continue to be 1st in line for in state recruits...and identify those good out of state fits early.
 
1. Other than Gesell, it will the first out of state top 150 guy we've signed since Tyler Smith, like 10 years ago.

2. One great thing about Fran's recruiting is that he keeps the players he signs, unless they leave for lack of playing time. To me, that means that Fran doesn't wow them with fancy sales pitches or pressure from AAU coaches/handlers, or promises he won't keep. That might be why we haven't seen that many highly rated recruits, but ultimately that may be a good thing.
 
Do you have anything better to do than write all of your "deep thoughts" Jack Handey?
1. Other than Gesell, it will the first out of state top 150 guy we've signed since Tyler Smith, like 10 years ago.

2. One great thing about Fran's recruiting is that he keeps the players he signs, unless they leave for lack of playing time. To me, that means that Fran doesn't wow them with fancy sales pitches or pressure from AAU coaches/handlers, or promises he won't keep. That might be why we haven't seen that many highly rated recruits, but ultimately that may be a good thing.

Point #2 is why Fran w eventually land more than a few whales. Wait and see. I have no insight to the program but you see him, his family(ALL ball), his background as well as his passion for hoops, and I have no doubt things are going to be fun for a long time.
 
I like what's happening in Iowa City! I think this team is going to be fun to watch for several years to come! Go Hawks!
 
With Joe, Conner, and Patrick on board this will allow the Hawks to really laser focus on adding some quality pieces around them. Things look good for the future. Tyler gets the ball rolling I hope.
 
Anyone else think that Fran and Margaret are competitive enough that they may say that Connor and Patrick don't need scholarships thereby freeing Fran up to take two more difference makers in the future.
 
If Tyler Cook does commit, it will be very interesting to see how the coaching staff develops so much talent to begin with.

In my opinion, you can never have to much competition. Let the cream rise to the top. The others can transfer somewhere else for more playing time or focus on the student aspect of being a student-athlete.
 
Anyone else think that Fran and Margaret are competitive enough that they may say that Connor and Patrick don't need scholarships thereby freeing Fran up to take two more difference makers in the future.
No, I think if they deserve a scholarship, they should receive one as they earned it. Why should their parents take that away from them. If they don't warrant one, they would likely walk-on I would assume. Similar to how Ferentz handled his boys playing. I don't recall, was lil'Lick a scholarship athlete?
 
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No, I think if they deserve a scholarship, they should receive one as they earned it. Why should their parents take that away from them. If they don't warrant one, they would likely walk-on I would assume. Similar to how Ferentz handled his boys playing. I don't recall, was lil'Lick a scholarship athlete?

No LIttle Lick was not on scholarship that's about the only thing Dad Lick did right....the McCaffery boys are D1 talent and yes deserve to be on scholarship...
 
We had the coach's sons scholarship debate a few months back - most seem to agree that while it does happen occasionally, Pat and Conner most likely will be on scholarship. I wasn't so sure, but the argument that you don't want TOO many guys with a legit chance at playing time swayed me.
 
If we bring in the right level of recruits we shouldn't need the extras. If a 5 star would fall into our lap at the last minute the flexibility is there, but I think we'll be just fine.
 
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Anyone else think that Fran and Margaret are competitive enough that they may say that Connor and Patrick don't need scholarships thereby freeing Fran up to take two more difference makers in the future.
When a player is scholarship worthy, (and Connor and Patrick are), then they should be awarded their scholarships regardless of who their parents are.
 
Good discussion on the scholarship vs. walk-on thing. My attitude is it is entirely up to the McCaffery's. Of course the guys are worth a scholarship. However if Fran and family find there is some fantastic five star type kid that wants to be a Hawkeye? Their call. No judgment from me either way.

But I'd bet a buck or two that if that very unlikely circumstance took place? Welcome Mr. 5 star to Iowa! I know I'd do it as a coach. I'd consider it an investment on that next raise that would be coming.
 
Thanks for jinxing it! o_O

In seriousness the ceiling for this program is to be 3rd or 4th in the B1G.

They will never surpass MSU, or get the quality athletes OSU does.

Maybe once Bo leaves, they can think about surpassing Wisky.
 
Thanks for jinxing it! o_O

In seriousness the ceiling for this program is to be 3rd or 4th in the B1G.

They will never surpass MSU, or get the quality athletes OSU does.

Maybe once Bo leaves, they can think about surpassing Wisky.

I think I put enough "ifs" in there to not jinx anything with certainty. In fact, should Cook pick Florida, the point would remain, it is a matter of time before our progression leads us to the point where we are signing more of this kind of player.

And, love your certainty as to the strength of other programs. Time was Indiana and Purdue would have topped your list. Could be Maryland for all we know in the next ten years. I wish Iowa enjoyed so much of the "positive" from you that Michigan State and Ohio State enjoy.
 
Thanks for jinxing it! o_O

In seriousness the ceiling for this program is to be 3rd or 4th in the B1G.

They will never surpass MSU, or get the quality athletes OSU does.

Maybe once Bo leaves, they can think about surpassing Wisky.

Ceiling? are you talking about B1G conference standings? or recruiting?
 
The ceiling for any individual season is #1, even if we could never crack the top 3 or 4 "programs".
 
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Standings, we will never recruit above middle of the pack in the B1G IMHO.

last years standings
Iowa 12-6
MSU 12-6
OSU 11-7

Mich St & OSU have certainly had their great recruits...their traditions and in state recruiting territories doesn't hurt.....maybe we won't recruit the exact same talent..but I will never surrender that we can't compete in the standings..
 
Pardon me as i am late to the convo. How many scholarships do we have to offer this year? Say Cook commits, what's left? Is Santos still on the board? Could we realistically take him on as well and have 5 for this class? I apologize as I have been a little behind on the recruiting front recently.

Thanks.
 
Pardon me as i am late to the convo. How many scholarships do we have to offer this year? Say Cook commits, what's left? Is Santos still on the board? Could we realistically take him on as well and have 5 for this class? I apologize as I have been a little behind on the recruiting front recently.

Thanks.

Cook would fill the class up.
 
Thanks for jinxing it! o_O

In seriousness the ceiling for this program is to be 3rd or 4th in the B1G.

They will never surpass MSU, or get the quality athletes OSU does.

Maybe once Bo leaves, they can think about surpassing Wisky.

hansenhawk, aka Mr. Optimism. :)
 
last years standings
Iowa 12-6
MSU 12-6
OSU 11-7

Mich St & OSU have certainly had their great recruits...their traditions and in state recruiting territories doesn't hurt.....maybe we won't recruit the exact same talent..but I will never surrender that we can't compete in the standings..
This is exactly right. Fran is going to have a hard time consistently recruiting players as highly ranked as OSU, MSU, and maybe even IU and UM, but Iowa can compete for championships.
 
Chicago and St. Louis can be pretty fertile recruiting grounds. If Iowa continues to improve and win and advance deeper into the NCAA tournament, then they can compete with almost anybody recruiting wise. I will agree that's there an exception for the blue bloods like Kentucky, Duke, UNC and KU.
 
Good post Dan...I would add it takes the right fit for the recruit (as well as for Fran)...but also parent(s)...in this case Fran being Fran was the determining factor for both recruit & parents.

That was not the case with a recent recruit. It wasn't that Fran missed or couldn't close the deal...things took place that did not make it a good fit (for Iowa)...the fact that Fran was able to keep Jordan Bohannon was truly remarkable.

It will never be easy to recruit Rivals150...unfortunately there are some that are just not a good fit for reason or another....the key for Fran is continue to be 1st in line for in state recruits...and identify those good out of state fits early.

Why the doom and gloom when it comes to recruiting? There is no reason Fran can't bring in Top 150 or Top 100 recruits. He just missed with Ulis. He has his son coming in. Cook seems a decent bet at this point. None here wants to hear this, but ISU has landed several high profile players over the years. Why Iowa people think it can't happen at Iowa, I just can't understand.
 
Why the doom and gloom when it comes to recruiting? There is no reason Fran can't bring in Top 150 or Top 100 recruits. He just missed with Ulis. He has his son coming in. Cook seems a decent bet at this point. None here wants to hear this, but ISU has landed several high profile players over the years. Why Iowa people think it can't happen at Iowa, I just can't understand.

big difference between doom & gloom and stating its never easy...
if coming in 3rd for Ulis is just missing...find.
don't kid yourself...there are rivals 150 that Fran simply doesn't feel is a good fit for his program...that was the purpose of my post....where you got doom & gloom out of that...well whatever.
 
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Predicted Cook would cancel his official visit to Arkansas...he did.

Everything I've read and heard ....says I O W A....if he does select Florida...there will be a few people a lot closer to the program who will be surprised. And of course there will be one person who will post using reverse psychology...:eek:.
 
Having too many good players isn't going to be a problem in Iowa's system. if Fran can get 10 top quality guys he will run them like horses and keep flipping people in and out and pressure the ball I think it'd be fun to watch. Having too many good athletes would be a problem I could live with.
 
I'm having a good time piecing together what will wisely be never used. My argument why Tyler Cook should be a Hawkeye. :)

It starts with who our Power Forward was last year. That guy that finished first team All Big Ten and is now making good money playing professionally. And I think if one asked him, he'd give a pretty good reference as to Iowa and Fran McCaffery.

It moves from there to a guy who is expected to move to Power Forward this year. A kid who has put on good weight in training, and is expected to lead the team in scoring so I wouldn't say that Power Forwards are forgotten pieces in Coach Fran's arsenal. And don't forget, this young man will be making money somewhere next year as well.

Then I move on to talk about Mike White, and remind he's never been a head coach in even one NCAA Tournament game! Not one! Sure he's a young guy, and an up and coming coach. But that means two things, learning on the job, and uncertainty. Meanwhile Fran has taken four different programs to the NCAA's! Likeability is important, and I'll give that White must be likable because he is known as a recruiter! But get the resume's out, that stuff matters.

Finally, let's talk about how White's team at Louisiana Tech won games. Take a look at the stats. They shot more threes than free throws!!! They had six guys shoot 81 or more threes! ONE guy got to sit under the basket and rebound. Another guy took 216 threes, by himself! Ok, that's at Louisiana Tech, but don't think styles don't follow a coach around. By contrast, Iowa shot just 576 threes. And what did that lead to?

Our Power Forward, Aaron White, took 328 shots and 238 free throws. The big that played for White last year? Michale Kyser? 210 shots and 94 free throws.

Playing style is supposed to be important to Tyler Cook. And he and his family are no dummies, so I suspect they already know all this. What Tyler has to be thinking is, do I want to rebound so everybody else can fire up shots? Or do I want to see my game developed into one that includes taking more shots than just offensive rebounds. Because there is the clear choice. It has a history to it, you can sink your teeth into it, you can see it on paper.

I think ultimately that is why, when everything else...nice teammates, nice school, nice coach...when everything else is equal or hard to judge. How Cook will be used on the court is easy to measure. The choice is Iowa.
 
Canal,

VerbalCommits.com shows we have two scholarships left for this class. Are they wrong? Confusing!

Verbal Commits is wrong. They fail to list Christian Williams. Verbal Commits is often wrong which in the past has embarrassed me when talking about other teams and if they have room for recruits or not. It's too bad, because they are such a quick way to check on stuff.
 
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