If you want to know why Putin is threatening Ukraine.

[Joes Place]

Sure

Glad you agree.

Deposing oligarchs who are stealing from your country is a noble enterprise.
The Russians would be well served to get a properly elected, Constitutional government, not one run by a dictator who has overturned their constitution and put himself in power for life.

 

[Nat Algren]

Deposing oligarchs who are stealing from your country is a noble enterprise.

Glad you agree. That's what Putin did with Magnitsky, Khordovsky et al.

 

[GES4]

Sure...and the neo-nazis (with Obama backing) had the freedom to overthrow the democratically elected government of Yanukovych.

Anti-Stalin /= Neo-Nazi

Yanukovych was a corrupt Putin puppet and proved it after Maidan.

 

[Nat Algren]

Anti-Stalin /= Neo-Nazi

Yanukovych was a corrupt Putin puppet and proved it after Maidan.

Look at you thinking you're making a point. Not sure what Stalin or as FDR blushingly addressed him, Uncle Joe, has to do with present day Ukraine.

Is there a leader anywhere in the world that isn't corrupt? Ukraine is the most corrupt shithole in Europe. Just look at the Bidens. And America has no business sticking its nose in there destabilizing the country. Because when a hot war breaks out, expect the same commitment as Afghanistan or Hong Kong.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

Death Rates from COVID per million population, as of September 30, 2021:[20]
United States	2,107 deaths/1,000,000
Sweden	1,444 deaths/1,000,000
Iran	1,449 deaths/1,000,000
Germany	1,126 deaths/1,000,000
Cuba	650 deaths/1,000,000
Jamaica	630 deaths/1,000,000
Denmark	455 deaths/1,000,000
India	327 deaths/1,000,000
Finland	194 deaths/1,000,000
Vietnam	197 deaths/1,000,000
Norway	161 deaths/1,000,000
Japan	139 deaths/1,000,000
Pakistan	128 deaths/1,000,000
Kenya	97 deaths/1,000,000
South Korea	47 deaths/1,000,000
Congo (Brazzaville)	35 deaths/1,000,000
Hong Kong	28 deaths/1,000,000[21]
China	3 deaths/1,000,000
Tanzania	0.86 deaths/1,000,000

Easy to pull stats when nearly every covid death in Russia is declared pneumonia. How many doctors and nurses threw themselves off the top of hospitals this week comrade?

 

[Nat Algren]

Easy to pull stats when nearly every covid death in Russia is declared pneumonia. How many doctors and nurses threw themselves off the top of hospitals this week comrade?

Or bio-terrorists like Phauci who preys on weak bitches like you pimping fear into your brown-stained drawers while calling asymptomatic and sniffles as C19 positive. You're an ATM for Pharma...a freaking pin cushion.

 

[lucas80]

It’s spelled jawohl

It’s spelled like I thought Sgt. Schultz pronounced it. Schultz is also more credible than Nat.

 

[lucas80]

Fellow travelers?

The algorithm still struggles a little, huh? Any American born English speaker would know what that means, Nat.

 

[lucas80]

Nat, of the 170,000 troops you guys have at the border, how many are drunk, high, or so infected with Covid they couldn’t answer the call to cross the border?

 

[Nat Algren]

The algorithm still struggles a little, huh? Any American born English speaker would know what that means, Nat.

WOW! I am living rent free in your head. Your last 3 posts were about ME, not the topic. You pompously remind everyone how highfalutin you are by posting, "I read in The Economist today" or "I was listening to NPR". Yet, you start a thread, go into the Witness Protection program performing your Where's Waldo routine by disappearing for the next 4 pages because you CANNOT elaborate with facts. So, you act like 7th grade bitch who was left standing in the corner at her school dance and post about ME. What a candy ass! It's no wonder your wife keeps calling me to bring the ruckus to her crib. You post with a limp dick.

 

[timinatoria]

https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/why-russia-hasnt-cracked-down-on-covid-19/amp

By the beginning of November, Russia had experienced an excess mortality of around eight hundred thousand people since the start of the covid-19 pandemic. According to calculations by Dmitry Kobak and Ariel Karlinsky, statisticians who have tracked global covid-related deaths since last year, Russia has now surpassed the world’s previous leader, the United States, in terms of total excess deaths, and trails only Peru and Bulgaria in terms of per-capita losses.

And the worst is not over: more people are currently dying of covid-19 in Russia than at any point in the pandemic. Officially, the number is more than twelve hundred per day, but Alexey Raksha, a demographer who was forced out of Russia’s state statistics agency last year, estimates that the figure is actually nearly four thousand. By the end of this year, the country’s death toll will likely reach more than a million.

 

[lucas80]

https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/why-russia-hasnt-cracked-down-on-covid-19/amp

By the beginning of November, Russia had experienced an excess mortality of around eight hundred thousand people since the start of the covid-19 pandemic. According to calculations by Dmitry Kobak and Ariel Karlinsky, statisticians who have tracked global covid-related deaths since last year, Russia has now surpassed the world’s previous leader, the United States, in terms of total excess deaths, and trails only Peru and Bulgaria in terms of per-capita losses.

And the worst is not over: more people are currently dying of covid-19 in Russia than at any point in the pandemic. Officially, the number is more than twelve hundred per day, but Alexey Raksha, a demographer who was forced out of Russia’s state statistics agency last year, estimates that the figure is actually nearly four thousand. By the end of this year, the country’s death toll will likely reach more than a million.

@Nat Algren
Fake news?

 

[lucas80]

Nat, how many KIA are you guys willing to take for the Ukraine? What story are you going to run with to justify the invasion?

 

[86Hawkeye]

No. It was due to expire in '17. In 2010, Medvedev got a 25 year extension on top of '17.

Kharkiv Pact

The Agreement between Ukraine and Russia on the Black Sea Fleet in Ukraine, widely referred to as the Kharkiv Pact (Ukrainian: Харківський пакт) or Kharkov Accords (Russian: Харьковские соглашения), was a treaty between Ukraine and Russia whereby the Russian lease on naval facilities in Crimea...

dbpedia.org

Says here that Russia unilaterally terminated it in 2014 after their occupation of Crimea.

 

[Nat Algren]

@Nat Algren
Fake news?

As I said in post #17 of this thread:

I believe theirs as much as I believe ours...which is to say, NO.

But, you go ahead and twist it to fit your Russophobic narrative.

 

[Nat Algren]

Kharkiv Pact

The Agreement between Ukraine and Russia on the Black Sea Fleet in Ukraine, widely referred to as the Kharkiv Pact (Ukrainian: Харківський пакт) or Kharkov Accords (Russian: Харьковские соглашения), was a treaty between Ukraine and Russia whereby the Russian lease on naval facilities in Crimea...

dbpedia.org

Says here that Russia unilaterally terminated it in 2014 after their occupation of Crimea.

Let me be clear as there was a failure to convey on my part during the flow of discussion. Another poster made reference to Russian troops at polling stations during the referendum vote to secede (mid-March...16th I believe). I replied with this:

Wrong again. They were already there under the Kharkiv Accord.

You asked:

Didn’t Russia invalidate the Kharkiv Accord in 2014?

I replied:

No. It was due to expire in '17. In 2010, Medvedev got a 25 year extension on top of '17.

The article you cite supports this. I mistakenly thought you were referring to the time of the vote (which was the bone of contention with the other poster), as it was in effect on 3/16. It was invalidated 2 weeks later. I thought it was understood that since the people of Crimea voted overwhelmingly for self-determination and was then a part of Russia, it was only natural that the agreement was null and void.

 

[Nat Algren]

Nat, how many KIA are you guys willing to take for the Ukraine? What story are you going to run with to justify the invasion?

Stop with your childish comments. Try having an adult discussion. My family ancestry has a ginormous statue overlooking the Schuykill River for the immense contributions during the Civil War. Schools were named in his honor.

That said, the Soviets lost 27.5 M during WW2, so what do you think?

Do you think we will cut and run like "Nam? Afghanistan? Hong Kong?

Do you think we'll leave it an open slave market like Libya?

Do you think we'll occupy it like Syria and steal their oil and burn their wheat so children can starve?

Do you think?

 

[win4jj]

Stop with your childish comments. Try having an adult discussion. My family ancestry has a ginormous statue overlooking the Schuykill River for the immense contributions during the Civil War. Schools were named in his honor.

That said, the Soviets lost 27.5 M during WW2, so what do you think?

Do you think we will cut and run like "Nam? Afghanistan? Hong Kong?

Do you think we'll leave it an open slave market like Libya?

Do you think we'll occupy it like Syria and steal their oil and burn their wheat so children can starve?

Do you think?

Lighten up Frances..

 

[Nat Algren]

Lighten up Frances..

no

 

[win4jj]

no

One of these days one these men might save your life..

 

[seminole97]

 

[Nat Algren]

Nat, of the 170,000 troops you guys have at the border, how many are drunk, high, or so infected with Covid they couldn’t answer the call to cross the border?

Where did you pluck that # from?