i think there is broad agreement that we need to do better in controlling illegal immigration
Illegal Immigrant Offending Rate Lower Than U.S.-Born Citizen Rate
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You'd get your ass caned in Singapore!! I bet these border jumping assholes would think twice if they got their ass tied down and caned bloody if caught!!
My complaint with our system isn’t that I think it’s unfair…it’s that we need to devote more resources to it, (and update our immigration laws) so that it works far better than it does now.
I don't get why you dolts keep referring to this as an "immigration issue." 30,000,000 unwanted criminals ILLEAGALLY entering a sovereign nation is not an "immigration issue" anymore than it was when Germany invaded Poland!
Honestly, if that were truly the case, you would not have some people against strengthening the border AND sending criminals back.
lol. It's illegal immigration -- overwhelmingly they want to come to the country to work and form a better life. That's it.
Germany was a country sending troops into another country in order to possess land.
Completely different things.
How many liberals have noticed saying we shouldn't curb illegal immigration on this board?
Did you notice how the Biden administration cut way back on the flow illegals into the country?
The problem is that a minority of progressive liberals pressured the Biden admin into a stupid position. Most liberals don't want unfettered immigration.
Come on, you are joking.......right?
Biden didn't get pressured into anything when (within the first 12 hours of his administration) he stopped ALL of the immigration policies that were put in place during the previous administration. He and ALL of the Dems strongly argued for 4 straight years that the border was secure........4 straight years. How much video proof do you need to see of this?
Then, during the last half of an election year...BOOM.....all of the sudden it becomes an issue because their polling shows the American people are fed up with it......and then and only then does he use executive orders to do exactly what he and the Dems had undone 4 years earlier. Facts matter in these discussions.
Also, we have heard the Dems claim for 4 years that Conservatives are against LEGAL immigration. Remember, the same laws that we have had in place for years, upon years are the same laws which have been shown to be less stringent then most other counties.
Now, back to you......show me where ANY Conservative on this board has said they are against LEGAL immigration.
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Right. Did your right wing propagandists tell you otherwise?:
US deportations under Biden surpass Trump's 2019 record - BBC News
President Biden had pledged to pause deportations, but ended up expanding it following a surge in border crossings.
www.bbc.com
Northern failing hard at middle school level statistical analysis. 🤣
EDIT: See, even @Here_4_a_Day and @Hawkman34 are laughing at you, Northern. And they’re idiots!
I did notice that,.. Pretty impressive, after being told for three years that nothing could be done,.. Don't you think?
Maybe that’s at least partly because this isn’t an easy fix, and they were seeking a longterm, legislative solution-you know, like that bill that was killed? Whether or not you think it was a good bill or not, it was something that was worked on for months with the leading GOP senator on the issue.
The bill you refer to was not a good bill,.. Biggest problem with it was that it allowed far too much presidential discretion with enforcement,.. It would have simply given Biden a license to continue sitting on his ass.
So kill the bill and depend on 100% presidential discretion? How does that make sense?
Again, I’m not going to argue whether or not it was a good bill…moot point now if nothing else. But it was negotiated in good faith on a bipartisan basis, which takes months or years to accomplish.
I mentioned it only to rebut your argument that Biden did nothing for 3 years.
Three members of congress languished over that bill,.. Biden did nothing, until he absolutely had to.
That's a lot of projection. If that's what you came away with you should become a fiction writer. You would be excellent.
Cite some actual numbers. How many people are here illegally because of expired visas compared to entering illegally. You've made the claim multiple times. Please cite numbers.
BTW, does it really matter if they entered legally or not? If they overstay a visa, they intended to be here illegally.
Congress killed the bill,.. Once the border is secure, I hope they will pursue significant immigration reform.
No. Trump killed the bill. Congress was set to pass it then Trump called up a few key votes and ordered them to stand down.
Again, you could have had actual border control cemented into place. But now you're at the mercy of whomever is in the oval office.
Who knows? Maybe this is what you want?
Again, if they have started the process to have a visa renewed, after entering legally, but the visa expired while that renewal is in progress, that means they intended to be here illegally? I’m confused.
Also, from october
Mass Deportation: Devastating Costs to America, Its Budget and Economy
The mass deportation of millions of undocumented individuals would be tremendously expensive and would have a catastrophic impact on our economy—one that would be expansive and impact every American. The American Immigration Council analyzes the fiscal costs and economic impacts of such a mass...
