Out here talking about a 7 footer having “too good of footwork” for a 6’5 former wrestler, freak athlete, and all-pro offensive tackle
A flagrant 1 is called as a result of excessive play. Had the Illinois player just made contact it would not have been called. It was called due to him extending his arm and pushing Connor. It was not needed as he already had positioning on Connor and was a stupid play.
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It's not so much how many FT we shot. It's how many we should have shot. The fact that you shot more than we did, is really the joke considering you brag about being a physical team and we never make that claim.
Agree, but don’t you think they could have called 3 seconds several times on Cofi camping out in the lane?
So, you don’t see Cofi camping out in the lane? The 3-second call should have been made several times.
How do you know they “don’t have to pay recruits and cheat”. Underwood is no choirboy.
I just watched the whole game, I was frustrated. These were the biggest things that I saw which I felt were missed...
* Traveling. There was a lot of feet shuffling down low, and pivot foots sliding on passes. There was A LOT of it.
* Physical plays. There were numerous times where you could have called fouls that the refs just let go. I am fine with this, but I do think this get's called in the NCAA Tourney. This was definitely in favor for Illinois, not for Iowa. The more physical team typically gets the benefit when this happens, not the better shooting team. This is why there is a big disparity in the points in the paint. Period. Physical plays were made and Illinois was better at playing that style of ball. Had they called a less physical game, it benefits Iowa.
* Hooking and holding players. There was one foul (should have been called) but Ayo grabs Connors arm and pulls Connor into him, causing the foul. Cheap, dirty. That was happening all game long. There is even one point where Jordan Bohannon pushes Curbello because he's so frustrated with the jersey grabs, arm grabs, etc. Again, that benefited Illinois.
That being said. Iowa needs to toughen up and punch back. The 80s/90s Iowa Teams would have sent a player into scorers table doing that stuff. Or taken a hard aggressive foul to get their point across. I still play league and when players are doing that stuff, you have to make your point known and FORCE them to call something. Iowa didn't force them to call something, they just backed down it seemed.
At the end of the day, Illinois is incredibly athletic, but if they don't allow for the physical play, they will suffer. They do not have the pure shooters that teams they will likely face. It will come down to the style of game for the Illini. The same will be said about Iowa. However, I have a feeling the calls will be tighter in the tourney than in the B10 Tourney. Just a hunch.
Lol I do. There's absolutely zero chance a lineman is guarding a basketball player with 7 inches on him. That's idiotic.
This right here. Anytime someone starts talking about how the term thug is somehow associated with race is stupid. Davison is exactly the type of player we describe with the term thug. It's also called "Bush-League."
So you maintain that they were both officiated the same way? I did not see the same game as you if that is the case. You could say Giorgi was out of position on one or two foul calls, but he picked up four fouls in 13 minutes. He was not that out of position. Giorgi was called for fouls with a lot less contact than Kofi and this was not just positioning.
I think the point is Kofi isn’t pushing Wirf’s around in the lane. Wirfs could handle Kifi before he gets into position under the basket.
I didn’t say that Wirfs was able to guard Kofi... but it’s not because of Cockburn’s “footwork” lol
You are spot on in every respect but one. Iowa doesn't get to retaliate, and largely never has been able to do so. There is a huge double standard, and it was on full display in both games. THE BIG TEN IS DISHONEST. Everything is geared toward promoting the franchise programs. Its much worse in basketball and we are more respected in football, but it happens there too.
This year, and all around the league, even the blue chippers are bitching louder than ever about this officiating. More announcers have criticized the terrible calls and no calls. Its been this way for decades and the conference does nothing to fix it. They say they review the officials but no one can believe those are real reviews, its just for show, cuz guys like Larry Scriotto and Bo Boroski are back.
The member institutions benefit from this unstated understanding so they will never want it fixed. The people in the league office jobs are based on revenue production for the league, ultimately distributed to the member institutions, so there is no incentive for anyone in the league office to try and fix this "problem" because its not a problem to them. The only way this gets fixed is extremely unlikely. Some official is going to need to get pinched for gambling and then squeal like a pig in Deliverance.
The idea that the term thug is even racial much less racist is laughable. Its like the wokey woke retards that said term "black top road" is a racist term (real situation back in 2018 elections). We have to stop allowing the unreasonably sensitive to control the conversation. Jesus, the worst thug most of us remember is Bill Laimbeer, although that little prick Isaiah Thomas was a close second.
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He’s just a complete Douchebag coming over to our boards talking shit! Loser mentality!
Congrats you won now gtfo!
The term "thug" describes an attitude or action, not a skin color. To say otherwise is an attempt to race-bait. Thug is what thug does. If one doesn't want to be referred to as a "thug", then they shouldn't do "thug" things.
I am serious. People have no idea how the tournament will be called. I hope the games are called tighter but each game will have its own flow . If people think Luka does not have a chance to get in foul trouble based on how he plays, they are fooling themselves. I am not saying Luka is dirty or anything, but he is physical. Who knows how much physicality will be allowed. Luka caught Kofi with an elbow that I was surprised was not reviewed. He also has a lot of "chicken" wings that he could be called for but he doesn't.
I think what Izzo does and Underwood has picked up on it, is a team like Michigan State develops their "reputation" on how they're going to play in the first 2 or 3 conference games. After those few conference games, the officials seem to chalk it up as being a particular team's style.
Ive watched it multiple times. You’re completely wrong and making it up
There was a one minute stretch early in the second that really illustrates how ultra-physical the officials were allowing Illinois to play.
18:05 mark in 2H: Cockburn fouls Garza multiple times on Garza’s drive to the basket. No call. Results in missed layup for Iowa.
17:32 mark in 2H: Bohannon sets a back screen on Dosunmo. Dosunmo shoves him in the chest and knocks Bohannon backwards. Looks like he also caught Bohannon with a forearm to the neck. No foul called.
17:28 mark in 2H (same possession): Wieskamp has Dosunmo posted up with great position. Dosunmo bears hugs him and has one arm wrapped around Wieskamp’s waist, right in front of the official. No foul called.
17:08 mark in 2H: Loose ball; Dosunmo literally dives on top of McCaffery and shoves him out of the way. In the scramble for the loose ball, Dosunmo’s off-arm is touching out of bounds while he is grabbing the ball with the other hand. Neither infraction is called; Illinois ball.
I understand that the more aggressive team generally gets a more favorable whistle, but this game was ridiculous. Illinois was, for the most part, allowed to do whatever they wanted on defense, while Iowa got whistled for a number of (as Bill Raftery calls them) nickel-dimers. Illinois is definitely the more athletic team, and I think the best team in the Big Ten. Doesn’t change the fact that the officials let them get away with A LOT.
18:05 mark in 2H: Cockburn fouls Garza multiple times on Garza’s drive to the basket. No call. Results in missed layup for Iowa.
17:32 mark in 2H: Bohannon sets a back screen on Dosunmo. Dosunmo shoves him in the chest and knocks Bohannon backwards. Looks like he also caught Bohannon with a forearm to the neck. No foul called.
17:28 mark in 2H (same possession): Wieskamp has Dosunmo posted up with great position. Dosunmo bears hugs him and has one arm wrapped around Wieskamp’s waist, right in front of the official. No foul called.
17:08 mark in 2H: Loose ball; Dosunmo literally dives on top of McCaffery and shoves him out of the way. In the scramble for the loose ball, Dosunmo’s off-arm is touching out of bounds while he is grabbing the ball with the other hand. Neither infraction is called; Illinois ball.
I understand that the more aggressive team generally gets a more favorable whistle, but this game was ridiculous. Illinois was, for the most part, allowed to do whatever they wanted on defense, while Iowa got whistled for a number of (as Bill Raftery calls them) nickel-dimers. Illinois is definitely the more athletic team, and I think the best team in the Big Ten. Doesn’t change the fact that the officials let them get away with A LOT.
Not every year but 81, 87 and 96 (maybe 95). Those three seasons we would have won without some extremely dishonest officiating.
i don’t watch enough bb to know whether the b1g style of reffing and play is out of whack with the rest of cbb but as i recall the bulls did (had to?) add enforcer types to their lineup to overcome the pistons and knicks.
The “ physical play” of the B10 has always been an issue in the NCAAs. It was this way back in the 80’s and has never changed. It is what it is. Everyone involved knows this.
With 21 points, 12 rebounds and 2 assists I don't think Luka was exposed in the least...
There are two ends of the floor...Underwood’s strategy was to pound the ball inside early and it worked very well...
Did I say anything different
All I said is that Underwood wanted to send a message that maybe Garza was not what many perceived...he was using Kofi to expose Garza and maybe get some support for Ayo..
Yes actually, your comment was specifically pointed towards Garza being exposed as not worthy of the POY,.. You said:
"Underwood believes Ayo should be the conference POY now and used this game plan to expose Luka’s (few) vulnerability. "
I'm saying that Garza's 21 points, 12 rebounds and 2 assists without Jack Nunge to even spell him, basically disposed of any plan that Underwood might have had to make Ayo appear more deserving of POY,... The bat mask is cute however,.. makes Ayo look like a superhero,.. perhaps he should do a cape also.
While we don’t have a Trey Burke, I hope this Iowa team can have a similar run that Michigan had several years ago. That team was hurt badly by Big Ten officiating, but once they got to the Tourney they could actually move and play their style.
We don’t really have a Tim Hardaway Jr. or GRob III either, but I think my point has merit.
We don’t really have a Tim Hardaway Jr. or GRob III either, but I think my point has merit.
But all in the context that it was Underwoods intent....not mine. You will note I said I believed UNDERWOOD was sending a message....and I still believe he was.....to make his player (Ayo) "better" he decided to "expose" the clear favorite...I believe he did so early in the game and justified his methodology]...The first half..the first 15 minutes, Kofi clearly outplayed Garza and the Iowa defense...Garza pulled it up in the second half..and Garza probably will (and should) win B10 POY...all I am saying is I believe that was Underwood's intent.....and in this case (game winning strategy), it worked. Underwood was playing a "head game" with the voters.
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