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I'm predicting 273 - 264 Harris.

I actually don't think the electoral vote count will be that close either way. Don't get me wrong, the individual votes in each of the swing states will be extremely close with several probably being decided by less than 1%.

But I think the winner ultimately pulls 290 to 315 electoral votes.

However I think PA ultimately decides it all. I don't see a case where someone wins the election but doesn't win PA. It's theoretically possible but I think unlikely.
 
I knew someone would point that out. I'll concede we have had 1 POTUS out 46 that was of color. Never had a woman in charge. UK has had 3. India 1. Pakistan 1, pretty much all of proper Europe.
Comparing Kamala Harris to Margaret Thatcher is like comparing...well Kamala Harris to Indira Gandhi. Ludicrous.
 
Lets not start having fights quite yet. Or at all.

I just want this to be a prediction thread with analysis of how things are playing out / will. Basically a political junkie thread. Not a partisan thread.

I'll be the first to make my calls, against any candidate if I interpret the data in my train of thought.
Best of luck.
 
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This. The young men and old men won't show up today if they haven't already voted. At least I don't think they will.

It is time for someone other than a white man to hold the job.
The youth male votr Elon/Trump been trying to get is a justified get in theory...but that demo doesnt vote. I doubt 3/4ths of them couldnt even tell you what district what they are in. Rogan's late night endorsement last night will move the needle not even an inch.
 
I feel like some of the aggregate "polling" just results in everything moving to the middle. It becomes useless. I wonder when it becomes less about prediction and more about producing a desired middle ground result.
For sure there was a material amount of polling whose purpose was psychological motivation
 
I actually don't think the electoral vote count will be that close either way. Don't get me wrong, the individual votes in each of the swing states will be extremely close with several probably being decided by less than 1%.

But I think the winner ultimately pulls 290 to 315 electoral votes.

However I think PA ultimately decides it all. I don't see a case where someone wins the election but doesn't win PA. It's theoretically possible but I think unlikely.
certainly a possibility, though i see 290 as a victor's ceiling of sorts.

Re: PA, the thing about it is, if you lose it, you have to win two to make up for it. keystone indeed.
 
By 8:00AM, I've already gotten two 3M political texts and one from the Trump campaign. Miller Meeks is worried, bigly.
What's funny this week, the Trump texts want my opinion on various matters, but unless you make a donation...they won't accept my survey answers.
Gonna change to Indee ASAP.
 
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Sounds like you're saying to vote for her because she's not a white man...

No. Not at all. But I'm a history / political science buff.......so I know you have admit that white men have been screwing up the world for a long time. Perhaps its time we give someone else a chance?
 
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kinda cool; niece got her live spot on morning broadcast with reporter and posted arrival vid
 
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I'll go against the grain...I'll say 297-241 Trump. I don't do all the state by state counting, but that's what one of my favorite, most savvy (centrist) follows is thinking, and it fits the vibe I'm getting.

I don't think we have great enthusiasm on either side, especially not positive enthusiasm. But I think there are more people (nuts) excited to vote for Trump than for Harris, and it might be the difference.

I think there are just too many factors AGAINST Harris for the general public, and the biggest argument for is fear of Trump. I'm just not seeing enough fear of a Trump presidency/concern for Democracy in the real world to overcome being an extremely unpopular, non-gifted incumbent, tied to some very unpopular policies.

I could be very wrong. My confidence in that prediction is like 10% LOL.

I think I'm rooting for a blowout either way. If you, like me, think that both parties have drastically lost their way, a blowout would likely bring at least one party back to sanity. Another razor close election will result in both sides even further buckling in, committing to their base, and fighting over the margins for crypto bros and anarchists.

Here's too a damn landslide, and one of the two parties having to get back to normal.
 
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By 8:00AM, I've already gotten two 3M political texts and one from the Trump campaign. Miller Meeks is worried, bigly.
What's funny this week, the Trump texts want my opinion on various matters, but unless you make a donation...they won't accept my survey answers.
Gonna change to Indee ASAP.
No texts but there is a Miller Meeks door knocker roaming the neighborhood here in North Liberty. I ignored it, just let the dog bark away at the lady through the window until she eventually left.
 
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No. Not at all. But I'm a history / political science buff.......so I know you have admit that white men have been screwing up the world for a long time. Perhaps its time we give someone else a chance?

To screw things up?,.. Sorry, I prefer to select someone based on my belief in their ability to not screw up.
 
I think at the end of the day the story is going to be the better half (female) vote. I think it puts her over the top.

Trumps incel vote won't show up :)

Too busy rubbing one out.
I find Lyz Lenz too extremist, negative and angry about 75% of the time. That said, she is also often right - and she most definitely has her finger on the pulse of the female voter.

I found here argument in this essay quite compelling - and it is basically exactly what you said Bins:


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The story of this election is the story of women’s anger

Yeah, of course, we are single-issue voters​

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Nov 5

On Sunday night, Selzer & Co., which conducts polls for The Des Moines Register, released a new poll showing Kamala Harris 3 points ahead of Donald Trump in Iowa.

Trump won Iowa in 2020 by 8 points (Selzer predicted 7) and in 2016 by 9. The state — which went for Obama in 2012 and 2008 — has been considered solidly red. And for good reason: Our governor is a Republican, as are our US representatives and senators. Our state legislature is GOP-controlled.

The new Selzer poll immediately made headlines. Republican strategist David Kochel tweeted “there is no way this is right,” specifically citing the poll’s finding that Trump is down 19 points among Iowa seniors.

Kochel failed to note that it wasn’t just the seniors; it was women. Senior women, specifically. Many of them had previously voted for Trump or for third-party candidates. The senior women polled were now, by a margin of more than two to one, supporting Harris – 63% to 28%. Iowa’s senior men also favored Harris, but by only 2 percentage points, 47% to 45%. Your grandmas and your moms are mad.

What could have changed in the time since the last Selzer poll?

The answer is hiding only if you don’t care about women. The answer is hiding only if you’ve dismissed women’s health care as a niche issue. For the rest of us, the answer is glaringly obvious.

It’s the abortion ban.


n June, the Iowa Supreme Court upheld a near-total abortion ban in the state.

The ban was only possible because the US Supreme Court, including three justices appointed by Donald Trump, overturned Roe v. Wade in 2022. Since then, a number of states have enacted abortion bans, resulting in the deaths of women who needed abortion care. Rates of maternal mortality have risen. Doctors are leaving these states. Iowa ranks 50th out of 50 states by ob-gyns per capita.

And while the average age of Iowans is 39.1, the 65+ age group grew the fastest between 2010 and 2022, increasing by 29.2%.

These are the Iowans who remember what life was like before Roe. In 2020, I spoke with Beverly Young, then 82, who had been a registered Republican. She told me what life was like in 1963 with three young children, begging her doctor for access to the pill. It was humiliating. She had a husband who wouldn’t wear a condom. She had to go to several different doctors to find one who wouldn’t ask her whether she had her husband's permission. She had to beg to be treated as an adult who could make her own choices. He’s now her ex-husband. But she never forgot the rage she felt at that time. And the shame.

Beverly worked as a bartender for 50 years and told me so many stories about women who weren't able to get birth control. She had a friend who was in a bad marriage, who self-induced an abortion and got an infection. She lived, but they don't talk about what happened. Another woman couldn't afford to have another baby and put hers up for adoption. And another woman whose fetus died inside the womb had to face a medical panel before she could get permission to get the fetus removed.

“She lived for days with that dead child inside her. Can you imagine?” Beverly said.

When Beverly told me her story, abortion bans were threats that Republicans kept making. They even passed some laws, only to have them overturned in court. Many political journalists in the state, my colleagues at the time, assured me there would never be a real abortion ban. That Republicans were just playing politics, just firing up their base. It’s easy to see why someone could be lulled into complacency. To let themselves be convinced that their rights would never be undermined.

In 2020, when I wrote about Beverly, a lot of people wrote to me that I was catastrophizing and that it would never happen. But it’s 2024. Iowa has one of the most restrictive abortion bans in the state. The time Beverly shared as a horrible memory is now our reality.

In the past four years, we’ve seen the violent reality of the campaign rhetoric. Our lives and our rights are not just a theoretical debate.

I am publishing this on Tuesday, the day of the election. I do not know how it will go.

I hope this anger has woken up voters. I hope that in this anger, we find hope. And I hope that this rage in America is turned upon the forces destroying us, rather than on ourselves and those around us.
This election cycle has been about gender. JD Vance reducing the value of a woman to the productivity of her uterus. Kamala Harris and Tim Walz’s full-throated embrace of reproductive rights. Bans targeting LGBTQ books and laws preventing minors from accessing gender-affirming care. And Project 2025, the conservative plan for America, lays out a world in which there is no social safety net, no-fault divorce, or abortion, just women doing the unpaid work of holding together the American family and economy. No matter how much it’s marketed as a trad wife fantasy, women like Beverly remember the bleak reality.
 
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What the Selzer poll shows us is this untapped vein of female anger in America. The anger of women who remember what it was like to be treated under the law as second-class citizens; women who remember a time when they couldn’t take out a line of credit, when they had to beg condescending doctors at Catholic hospitals for the pill. The righteous fury of women who are seeing their daughters and granddaughters going septic in parking lots, without the choices for which their mothers fought so hard.

If this poll result is a surprise, it is because pundits and political analysts have not fully grasped that the right to abortion is the right of women to have autonomy and to be full participants in public life. It’s wild to see talking heads describe people who vote on abortion as single-issue voters. Yes, my guys, my life is the single issue I do vote on.

In Rage Becomes Her: The Power of Women’s Anger, Soraya Chemaly writes, “Anger is the demand of accountability. It is evaluation, judgment, and refutation. It is reflective, visionary, and participatory. It's a speech act, a social statement, an intention, and a purpose. It's a risk and a threat. A confirmation and a wish. It is both powerlessness and power, palliative and a provocation. In anger, you will find both ferocity and comfort, vulnerability and hurt. Anger is the expression of hope.”

I hope this anger has woken up voters. I hope that in this anger, we find hope. And I hope that this rage in America is turned upon the forces destroying us, rather than on ourselves and those around us.

VOTE.
 
Who is comparing person A to person B? Certainly not, only you. It's about societal progress. Sorry. Thinking is hard.
Well...the point is, it's great to want progress in regards to women in leadership positions. But we should still be at least a little bit picky about who we choose. Biden chose her because she checked every identity box. Not because he felt she was some sort of capable leader. And now here she is about to be president because the Dems decided they couldn't dare choose someone over a woman of color. Again, regardless of merit or capabilities.

I'm all for having a woman president as long as she is competent. Harris has done nothing to prove that she is. Obama or Klobuchar would have been much better choices. But oh well. Here we go!
 
What the Selzer poll shows us is this untapped vein of female anger in America.

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Female anger has been on tap for as long as I've been on the planet...
 
Well...the point is, it's great to want progress in regards to women in leadership positions. But we should still be at least a little bit picky about who we choose. Biden chose her because she checked every identity box. Not because he felt she was some sort of capable leader. And now here she is about to be president because the Dems decided they couldn't dare choose someone over a woman of color. Again, regardless of merit or capabilities.

I'm all for having a woman president as long as she is competent. Harris has done nothing to prove that she is. Obama or Klobuchar would have been much better choices. But oh well. Here we go!
This is such a ridiculous bullshit argument.

By the time ANY pol is selected as a potential VP nominee they are more qualifed than nearly everyone else in the party.

Don't be stupid.
 
By 8:00AM, I've already gotten two 3M political texts and one from the Trump campaign. Miller Meeks is worried, bigly.
What's funny this week, the Trump texts want my opinion on various matters, but unless you make a donation...they won't accept my survey answers.
Gonna change to Indee ASAP.
I got a text immediately after Selzer poll from the Nunn campaign ripping Lanon (with no discussion of policy, go figure).

They are concerned.
 
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Frank Luntz says if Harris wins Georgia or North Carolina she will win. If Trump wins Michigan or Pennsylvania then he will win.
 
Well...the point is, it's great to want progress in regards to women in leadership positions. But we should still be at least a little bit picky about who we choose. Biden chose her because she checked every identity box. Not because he felt she was some sort of capable leader. And now here she is about to be president because the Dems decided they couldn't dare choose someone over a woman of color. Again, regardless of merit or capabilities.

I'm all for having a woman president as long as she is competent. Harris has done nothing to prove that she is. Obama or Klobuchar would have been much better choices. But oh well. Here we go!

You are a mind reader? Holy shit, you could read Biden's mind this whole time. I'll be damned.
 
I have it at 270-268 Harris.
Guesses on the swing states
For Harris:
WI, MI, PA

For Trump:
NV, AZ, GA, NC

I'd be shocked if we know today. Closest races IMO, MI, PA, GA
 
You are a mind reader? Holy shit, you could read Biden's mind this whole time. I'll be damned.
When he says, "I don't who I am picking but it will be a woman of color" on Meet the Press, I don't need to read his mind. He announced it to the world.
 
I'm making a bold upset call - I think Harris wins Arizona.

Look at the Gallego/Lake race - total blowout.

The PHX metro and especially Tuscon will go bigly for Harris. Not enough sun-brain damaged numpties out in the desert to put Trump over the top.

I hope you are right. Kari Lake is the gift that keeps giving.
 
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This is such a ridiculous bullshit argument.

By the time ANY pol is selected as a potential VP nominee they are more qualifed than nearly everyone else in the party.

Don't be stupid.
No. What's stupid is announcing the gender and color of the potential POTUS before taking anything else into consideration.
 
When he says, "I don't who I am picking but it will be a woman of color" on Meet the Press, I don't need to read his mind. He announced it to the world.

Re read your post. You made a lot of claims as to what his thought process was.

Regardless.....I'm done arguing the merits of your point. People that don't a woman or person of color to be given a fair chance can gft.

This thread is about predictions; not hashing out political greviences based upon false racist/sexist presumptions.

Go pass the bar exam, become an attorney, become Attorney General of the 4th largest economy of the world, become VP, kick Trumps ass in a debate, and then come back to me about how unqualified she is.

Jeebus
 
Re read your post. You made a lot of claims as to what his thought process was.

Regardless.....I'm done arguing the merits of your point. People that don't a woman or person of color to be given a fair chance can gft.

This thread is about predictions; not hashing out political greviences based upon false racist/sexist presumptions.

Go pass the bar exam, become an attorney, become Attorney General of the 4th largest economy of the world, become VP, kick Trumps ass in a debate, and then come back to me about how unqualified she is.

Jeebus
There's a difference between "Qualified" and "capable". And I said, "we shall see". But she has done not a damned thing to show any of us that she's up to this task. I hope for all of our sakes she is.
 
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There's a difference between "Qualified" and "capable". And I said, "we shall see". But she has done not a damned thing to show any of us that she's up to this task. I hope for all of our sakes she is.

What POTUS has ever shown they are "capable" until they get to office?

B/c I have a secret for you.........none of them can do that until they take office.

I feel like I need to send you some basic history books
 
Good on Jimmy for starting the "official" prediction thread. I'm going Harris 276-262, with her winning MI, WI, NV, and PA of the battlegrounds.

(Interesting note -- the last run of both Silver and 538 flipped it to a total coin toss with harris at like 50.05% and trump at like 49.95%)

BTW, one of the more hilarious things about the 538 model is you can see some of the really weird outlier simulations, like 535-3 for Harris.
I think Harris also wins North Carolina based off what I have read. There’s so much uncertainty, though.

About the only thing I believe is almost assured in terms of the battleground states is that Arizona will go to Trump.

Other than that, a lot of coin flips.
 
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Good on Jimmy for starting the "official" prediction thread. I'm going Harris 276-262, with her winning MI, WI, NV, and PA of the battlegrounds.

(Interesting note -- the last run of both Silver and 538 flipped it to a total coin toss with harris at like 50.05% and trump at like 49.95%)

BTW, one of the more hilarious things about the 538 model is you can see some of the really weird outlier simulations, like 535-3 for Harris.
You attorneys are all alike. Always wanting to get people on the record:)

I'm going with 281:257 Trump. This breaks down to the battlegrounds below and no other surprises.

AZ- T
NV-H
GA-T
MC-T
PA-T
WI-H
MI-H
 
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