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I dig what you're saying, but it's also clear that you haven't met many Presbyterians. A lot of bending and even breaking. There are a lot of folks who identify as Christians that believe there are like 1 or 2 important details to believe and the rest isn't important. I'm not going to argue whether or not they "should" identify as Christians, but there are more and more people in this bucket every day.
I'm personally very thankful that so many religious people have found a way to satisfy themselves with titles and rituals and drop the cannon I find so objectionable. That the direction I'd like to keep going in. But what in this thread has been dubiously called the Hayden Fry god is not the same as the biblical god. I think that's on very firm ground.
 
I'm personally very thankful that so many religious people have found a way to satisfy themselves with titles and rituals and drop the cannon I find so objectionable. That the direction I'd like to keep going in. But what in this thread has been dubiously called the Hayden Fry god is not the same as the biblical god. I think that's on very firm ground.
Agreed. Having said that, the traditional denominations that are dying quickly should immediately start putting murals of local sports heroes on their buildings if they want to survive. Hayden Fry sanctuary... Nick Saban Chapel... Joe Paterno Cathedral... that's brilliant marketing right there.
 
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Agreed. Having said that, the traditional denominations that are dying quickly should immediately start putting murals of local sports heroes on their buildings if they want to survive. Hayden Fry sanctuary... Nick Saban Chapel... Joe Paterno Cathedral... that's brilliant marketing right there.
That would be very Catholic of them.
 
Agreed. Having said that, the traditional denominations that are dying quickly should immediately start putting murals of local sports heroes on their buildings if they want to survive. Hayden Fry sanctuary... Nick Saban Chapel... Joe Paterno Cathedral... that's brilliant marketing right there.
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And I think Hoosier is wrong. But if the right answer is there are really 12 gods, Christians are wrong. It means something to be a Christian. There are rules. Honestly this is so basic I'm surprised you even need this explained.

You lurch from the point of view that words have precise meanings that you police with dogmatic exactitude to the position that religious creeds can't be pinned down. Do you really believe this or are you trolling?

No, I'm wondering why it is so important that they are "wrong"? In your scenario, you are wrong, why not harp on that?

And yes, you make a good point, religion is its own enigma/riddle that can not, nor need not be unwrapped.

There is a big difference, we all agree we are using English, as defined by dictionaries. Most Christians don't agree on the rules, which is largely my point.
 
So if I don't believe in the biblical God I can't identify as a Christian? Sheesh, next you're going to say that I can't identify as black just because I'm white...
Christianity is an idea, not controlled by a book. Even the history of the books show that as there have been discussions, changes, admissions and omissions on what stories to pass along throughout history.

Natural is putting too much emphasis on the wrong thing, the book itself.
 
These matters of what defines these faiths have been settled long ago. I don't have to define them. You have to accept and follow the definitions they already have.

False. This presumes to ignore sects almost entirely, and the even more so individuals.

Feel free to point to, say, a teaching from Jesus that says precisely what you must/not do without interpretation.
 
No, I'm wondering why it is so important that they are "wrong"? In your scenario, you are wrong, why not harp on that?

And yes, you make a good point, religion is its own enigma/riddle that can not, nor need not be unwrapped.

There is a big difference, we all agree we are using English, as defined by dictionaries. Most Christians don't agree on the rules, which is largely my point.
Most Christians do agree on the rules, that's why there are congregations and creeds. Religion is not as nebulous as you make out. Google it, they are sure about their own rules and beliefs. If you have a beef right and wrong it's would be with them.
 
False. This presumes to ignore sects almost entirely, and the even more so individuals.

Feel free to point to, say, a teaching from Jesus that says precisely what you must/not do without interpretation.
I am ignoring individuals and sects. I'm stating what the bible says. Do you think it says something different. Feel free to make that case. This is a silly objection.
 
I am ignoring individuals and sects. I'm stating what the bible says. Do you think it says something different. Feel free to make that case. This is a silly objection.

Which bible are you attributing to which specific people.

So far you've only talked about Christianity in general.
 
Most Christians do agree on the rules, that's why there are congregations and creeds. Religion is not as nebulous as you make out. Google it, they are sure about their own rules and beliefs. If you have a beef right and wrong it's would be with them.

How many distinct Christian groups do you believe there to be in the world?

Hell, you can't even correctly claim that Carholicism is universally agreed upon.

Even amongst Popes there are disagreements.
 
Which bible are you attributing to which specific people.

So far you've only talked about Christianity in general.
Really this should be obvious. I'm not speaking in riddles. You are trying too hard to make this interesting. Perhaps your knowledge of religion is lacking. But it's not a controversial point that the book of genesis has a story about how god gave man languages. That book is held by two major religions to be the word of their deity. That deity is portrayed in the book the religions draw their theology from as an involved god. A non involved god concept belongs to a different religion called deism. These are commonly held facts. If you disagree, you will need to support your position. I have presumption as I am presenting the mainstream view on the topic.
 
How many distinct Christian groups do you believe there to be in the world?

Hell, you can't even correctly claim that Carholicism is universally agreed upon.

Even amongst Popes there are disagreements.
Irrelevant to the points I made.
 
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