I'm personally very thankful that so many religious people have found a way to satisfy themselves with titles and rituals and drop the cannon I find so objectionable. That the direction I'd like to keep going in. But what in this thread has been dubiously called the Hayden Fry god is not the same as the biblical god. I think that's on very firm ground.I dig what you're saying, but it's also clear that you haven't met many Presbyterians. A lot of bending and even breaking. There are a lot of folks who identify as Christians that believe there are like 1 or 2 important details to believe and the rest isn't important. I'm not going to argue whether or not they "should" identify as Christians, but there are more and more people in this bucket every day.