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So, does Chief usually come off as dumb as a sack of hammers? ‘Cause SOMEONE here has to take the wrap… lol
Now this one comes off as a bit low to me. He is the clear #3 at a weight, where the top guy has a solid argument for #1 overall, and the other should definitely be top 10. I would think Cass belongs more in the 20-25 range...
You’re putting Parris in the top 10? What national champ is he going in front of?
Guy is a Junior World Champion and hasn't lost a NCAA match the past 2 years to anyone other than Steveson. In fact, he has pretty much wrecked the 285 class except for Steveson. If not for Steveson being in his weight class he would almost assuredly be undefeated the past 2 seasons and the defending NCAA Champ. At that point, he would probably be in the top 5.
So, to answer your question, I would put him ahead of O'Connor and Griffith and would debate putting him over Ferrari, RBY and maybe even Carr.
To be clear, I think there is ONLY 1 clear tier above Parris, with a bunch of guys that could be argued in any order after that
Tier 1:
Lee, Steveson, Yianni(if we include him in this exercise)
Tier 2: If I had to rank them I would probably go this route-
N. Lee, Eierman, Starocci, Kemerer, Brooks, Ferrari, Parris, Carr, RBY, Fix and Hidlay,
I agree with you about two tiers. I think Parris and Fix as non-champions deserve to be in the tier with guys like Lee, RBY, and Brooks. I’m not sure I could put him over any of them by nature of his best wins not being as good. Sure he’s only lost to Gable, but his best win is Cassiopi. Vs someone like RBY who beat Fix for a title and you have Fix in the second tier. Same with Carr over Hidlay. Where do you put Mekhi Lewis who beat a 2x NCAA champion as a freshman to win his title?
If I had to rank the wrestler based on simply my opinion of how good they are I might put Parris top 8. Trying to factor in results and not sure I can get there.
This is exactly what I was referring too.
He had 4 losses last year Shultz 2-3, Ferrari 2-3, and two 2-point losses to Amine, he's been an AA every year, wrestled his best at the NCAA's. And he always gets
"he's good, but..."
Your stance makes absolutely zero ****ing sense.
If we can't analyze and be critical of someone or something we aren't, then there would be no analysis in anything.
If this is the hill you die on then I fully expect you to take this into every aspect of your life.
No more bashing politicians because you aren't one. You can't be critical of any president because you didn't win the electoral college.
And it is his fault, who else should we point the finger at? Is it yours? Could be. According to you I'm a giant pile of shit, so it's definitely not mine.
All I'm saying is he brings the criticism on himself. He's even taken the blame following these head scratchers. That's all I'm getting at, nothing more, nothing less.
Stop being so butt hurt over it. You're the only one.
It’s not about nothing. JWar is very frustrating to watch at times. He’s so talented, but there is some sort of disconnect that comes up every so often. We’ve seen him break down mentally I specifically recall him brutalizing dudes at Midlands a couple years ago and then suffered back to back head scratching losses where he completely lost it mentally. After one of the losses, he broke down in tears, literally bawling and cried out, “why am I like this?!” I haven’t see too many D-1 guys fall apart like that. He showed some guts at Nationals last year and had a very solid tourney. I wish him the utmost success next season.
Every person has a different mind and life story, and responds to 'loss' in a different way. I'm not too inclined to judge that provided they don't get way out of hand or harm somebody. And imo, about every wrestler on our team not named Spencer Lee (maybe Kemmerer too) has had plenty of 'head scratchers', though some seem to get more of a pass. But they are, after all, human....and still pretty young. Fine to discuss those head scratchers, but less questioning of integrity and personal character would be nice. Besides, I find myself scratching my head WAY more often at the 'performance' of many so-called adults than I do any of our wrestlers.
I’ve never questioned JWars character or his integrity, I have been critical of a kid who hasn’t seemed to improve much since he’s been at Iowa. The first college match I saw him wrestle was vs Willie Miklus where he absolutely dominated with relentless attacks and won by tech fall. Since then we’ve seen him suffer multiple upset losses and hesitate to attack in more matches than I care to remember. I imagine the Brands have been more than a little frustrated at times. When he puts it all together, he’s really fun to watch.
I dont quite see the argument for glory over cassioppi
I don’t disagree with this. No need to nitpick, those are 2 all time greats
One time he got a reversal on Spencer while getting tech called.
He looked damn good getting teched tho…
i don't either. glory so high is the one single athlete's ranking i don't like.
my only other 'problem' (read below) with the list is more conceptual (although not necessarily wrong)
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not sure that has anything to do with these rankings/order.
you can't put Mason ahead of O'Connor.
O'connor has gone 3rd-2 seed-Champ
Mason R12-2 seed-2nd
in a fantasy draft, i'm with ya. Mason is an early pick (maybe earlier than o'connor).
but the fact of the matter is he's a 1x AA.
this problem will rear it's ugly head as we get to the top. frankly, something don't sit right with me with 1x champs being higher than some of the 3x high AA's.
To me, Power Rankings are more about the ability of the wrestler at that exact time vs. the accomplishments of the wrestler. So, by itself, I would agree that the Junior World Championship wouldn't hold in a Folkstyle ranking, but I used it simply to show he was beating world level talent outside of DI and has only lost to the Olympic Champ in DI.
So, with the above said, I am not concerned with O'Connor going 3rd, 2nd seed and Champ in a weight that didn't remotely have a guy like Steveson. The way Parris moves as a DI HWT simply impresses me more than many of the champs at lower weights and he is a complete wrestler with legit mat skills.
Please Note: It LITERALLY pains me to give praise to UofM athletes, especially when they aren't homegrown. But, I have to give credit where it is due. Parris has made light years of improvement since he first stepped onto a DI mat soon after getting wrecked by Cass in Freestyle. The guy is THAT good!
I rarely have anything remotely resembling inside information. However, I had a conversation this summer with Royce Alger this summer after he had spent a week working with Warner, and Royce noted a significant improvement by Warner.
It’s Fix. He only has good losses
Doesn't matter. Your slitting hairs. SL got pinned. GS took 2nd. YD could be #1.
Meh. Good for Gable. I'm over it already.
Agreed.
If GS were wrestling for the Hawkeyes instead of the Gophers, anyone posting on these forums would have a difficult time saying who is the better wrestler contributing to the team.
False. Spencer is clearly the superior folkstyle wrestler and his attitude would contribute far more to the team.
My point is it's an arbitrary ranking, it doesn't matter in any way, shape or form. Hence meh.
I agree who cares, my response was about people on here not knowing who would contribute more to the Iowa program if both Spencer and Gable wrestled for us. I think it’s clear Spencer would contribute more.
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