Iowa Bowl Games since Huskers entered the BIG
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Playing for the BCS National Championship in 2001 is relevant. Ever been there? Playing for back to back Big 12 championships in 2009 and 2010 is relevant. Playing for the Big 10 championship in 2012 is relevant.
You realize that 2001 was 17 years ago....right?
Little 12? LOL, nuff said.
Your most recent point is a game you lost by 39 points and gave up 70 points.
I think that says plenty.......
I believe what was said was, "hasn't been relevant for 20 years." I said false, and am correct. You realize that 17 is less than 20, right? Ever been to a national title game before?
The term relevant was used, and your definition of relevant is a lot less meaningful than CFB fans and media. Playing in a P5 conference championship game is relevant to the CFB world, whether you want to admit it or not.
Regardless of what happened in the game, earning a spot in a championship game in a power 5 league is relevant. If that isn't relevant, what is?
I also missed the 2006 CCG. That's 1 national title game and 4 conference championship games in the time span in which you said, "Nebraska hasn't been relevant for 20 years." Wrong.
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I will give you 2001, but you could do better than what that coach brought LOL. To me national relevance is finishing in the top 10...hasn't happened for you since 2001. You don't see Iowa fans spouting off on husker boards pounding our chests about being better than we actually are, we know who we are and I for one love who we are. I would make an argument and back it up with facts that Iowa has been more relevant nationally than Nebby in the last 20 years.
The 90's were great for your football program and much respect for that- but at the same time no respect at all because we all know (deep down you do too) that there were rules put in place so that nebraska would no longer be allowed to have players who wouldn't even qualify at JUCO program playing for the huskers before prop 48 was introduced.....many outside of Lincoln view that as pathetic....including myself
When I look at the coverage and perceived importance of conference championship games, I can't help but think that that is pretty relevant to college football. There are 5 main leagues that largely participate in shaping the national title picture. When you're one of 10 teams playing on the final weekend to decide how that picture looks, that's relevant to me. I'm okay agreeing to disagree.
I'm not as enthralled with drawing a line at a certain ranking spot and saying, there, above = relevant, below = not relevant. Not a fan because top 10 is arbitrary-ish. We all know the outcomes of exhibition bowl games and the matchups that can be changed based on whether your league has a team in the playoff changes matchups outside of the playoff/BCS, and you can slide in and out of the top 10 based on your finish in an exhibition.
Regarding Prop 48 players - everyone in the Big 8 was allowed to do the same thing. Nebraska didn't break a rule. We don't need to rehash the Big 12 vote and speculate on the motivations. Bottom line is it changed how they recruited. You're right. The thing with prop 48 players is they had to pay their way, get eligible, could not participate or get that year of eligibility back. They weren't able to participate unless they became eligible for the next season. If they met requirements in their second year on campus, they were allowed to play. I guess I don't have a problem with helping kids earn a scholarship and a degree given the fact that he maintained a 74% graduation rate with players. If the rule changed, then he needed to follow the new rule. But I don't think it's pathetic for doing what they could to win games within the rules, and mutually benefiting kids who otherwise wouldn't be able to get a degree while also getting good football players. Thoughts?
42 November 25, 2011 Lincoln, NE #22 Nebraska 20–7
43 November 23, 2012 Iowa City, IA #17 Nebraska 13–7
44 November 29, 2013 Lincoln, NE Iowa 38–17
45 November 28, 2014 Iowa City, IA Nebraska 37–34OT
46 November 27, 2015 Lincoln, NE #3 Iowa 28–20
47 November 25, 2016 Iowa City, IA Iowa 40–10
48 November 24, 2017 Lincoln, NE Iowa 56–14
I can get behind this, kudos to Nebby for using the rules in their favor. My only problem with this statement is that the reason for Nebby's tactics was not to benefits kids who wouldn't otherwise get a degree- it was simply to get more wins....I didn't see any "normal" students getting the same treatment. Furthermore, there were some questionable (at best) handling of some discipline. That being said- I do think Tom Osborne is one of the better coaches of all time and the 1995 Husker team is arguably the best team ever.....
You're right they were looking for football players. It was a I don't know of other sports who had prop 48 athletes, the basketball program was never successful enough for it to be a question. Maybe no other programs utilized it. I just think it ended up benefiting the athletes they recruited because it gave them an opportunity they otherwise wouldn't have. But I got you, you're right. It wasn't charity. It was because they could play football really well.
I like this civil conversation
I believe we have done the impossible in which a Husker and a Hawkeye fan reached a middle ground. I agree that Husker's used the rules to their advantage and touche for that. My best friend is a Husker fan- we both looked past our admitted hatred of the other's favorite team. He is actually more upset that he even has to hate Iowa bc he has to admit that hatred only comes when the other school has a possibility of negatively impact the other on the field or recruiting. My hatred for Nebraska comes more from a respect of their past and some ignorant fans that are really awful (appears you are not one of them) my hatred for ISU is because they are garbage and always has been, and they can't or won't admit it
Nebraska fan parting hairs and grasping at straws in a desperate attempt to make his program look relevant. Priceless. Beautiful work. They’ve really fallen that far!
At least we fell from somewhere you've never been.
Honestly, this is why I enjoy swinging by this board. There are a lot of good people that enjoy engaging with in discussion. We don't have to agree, but we can talk like adults. I appreciate your dialogue.I like this civil conversation
I think Nebraska will become strong again. I hope the Hawks do too. It will make the season a lot more fun.
And you're right, we have some awful fans. There is no defending that. I just hope fans on both sides will give others the benefit of the doubt and not treat them with disrespect just because they share a much different opinion. It's a game, we're meant to enjoy it. I hate when fans think they need to try to ruin it for other people.
You say that like it’s a good thing. Look what it’s done to your fan base. Look what it’s done to you! You’re a black and white TV stuck on reruns of The Jeffersons. You’re Casey Kasem’s Top-40 waxing poetic about the aural benefits of New Wave. You’re the college football equivalent of the classic diner with girls on skates and burgers on the door. Have you seen what happened to that diner? It’s a parking lot at a senior living bingo hall.
Lol, oh ya we have. And we waved at you in your recent deep fall below us! Did you see us waving as you were falling way down?
Oh your mean words. So many of them. I'm devasted.
It takes a person with some real insecurities to feel the need to have to come at another person like this. I feel sorry for you.
What do you mean? We were a few points from the CFP. When have you been near that close? I guess we're just more relevant these days......
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What did you expect? A gifted subscription to Redbook? You're not home here, guy. And your mouth most definitely hasn't been shut. If you don't like the backlash that your conduct gets you, self-evaluate and make a change. Or, gasp, go where you fecking belong!
Unfortunately (for Iowa) I think you are right, Frost is at least saying the exact right things. In all honesty, I tailgated in Lincoln for the first time for the Iowa games a few years back. I was expecting a bunch of awful fans, but a bunch of my hawkeye buddies had a blast before and after the game with Husker fans. Best of luck this season (besides Black Friday) and lets hope Nebraska gets back to there ways- just not at the expense of my Hawkeyes. Would be cool if every year the West was decided on Black Friday between Huskers and Hawkeyes.
I also think the "hatred" comes from the fact that the people in each state have more in common than differences....I often get annoyed with people who are like me and we bump heads LOL
You know what they say: "Its better to have loved and lost; than to have never loved at all" There is some truth to that. However; we do have a football National Title in Iowa, a lot of pride, a lot of success and the most stability of any program in college football in the last 40 years. The Huskers are a prideful bunch too and rightfully so. They have fallen on hard times and many of us enjoy seeing that b/c much like some fools in our fan base, they run their mouths too much. We have bragging rights until the day after thanksgiving and hopefully beyond that
To me, what matters is now.
I believe Iowa seriously challenges for the B1G West this season. I would not be surprised if we got there.
I'd be seriously suprised if Nebby challenged for the West this year. I'd pick a couple more teams before them if it wasn't Iowa.
If that causes butthurt and bitterness for Nebby fans ...well...grow up.
I believe Iowa seriously challenges for the B1G West this season. I would not be surprised if we got there.
I'd be seriously suprised if Nebby challenged for the West this year. I'd pick a couple more teams before them if it wasn't Iowa.
If that causes butthurt and bitterness for Nebby fans ...well...grow up.
I’m trying to pick a team that’ll finish below Neb in the West. Ill is the only team I’m confident that will.
I don't think you picking Nebraska to not contend for the west should cause butthurt. Much like if I were to say I didn't think Iowa was good enough to do it either because I thought NW and Purdue would be too much for them this year. I'm not saying that's what I think, I'm saying neither should cause anyone to get upset. It's an opinion. If its shared respectfully, then the person getting upset is the one who needs to grow up, like you stated.
That's not even close to the same thing, especially considering what ensued for both Iowa and MSU following that B1G championship. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, so please don't feel attacked when I say this: 2015-16 Iowa was nowhere near what 1994, 1995, or 1997 Nebraska were. I only say it because it sounds like that's what you're comparing "having been there" to.
Red letter date on here: A Nebraska fan using sound logic and reasoning in a rebuttal.
You are absolutely correct that Nebraska was (I assume relevant in this "discussion" means nationally) relevant on the national stage 20 years ago. Post-Solich era, however, Nebraska hasn't been close to being a legitimate Top 10 program. So, while his math was a little off, the spirit of what he was saying is true.
So, when we're talking about relevancy, and based on what I said, then it's been about 5 years since relevancy. Right now, Nebraska is not nationally relevant. But it hasn't been 20 or 15 or 10 years since Nebraska was relevant nationally.
You are correct that Nebraska hasn't been a top 10 program in quite some time.
I agree. I think Iowa fans should be cautiously optimistic this year. The offense actually has a chance to be respectable this year. If that means fewer 3 and outs and greater time of possession, then the Iowa defense just got even better.
As usual, Iowa's success hinges on dominant line play.
Again - not trying to start anything. I appreciate you getting that. I just don't think comparing almost winning a conference championship and therefore almost getting into the semi finals and winning 3 national titles in 4 years is in the same ballpark.
Although most offenses should scare me considering how last year went, Iowa's offense scares me. Offenses go as far as their QBs will take them, and Stanley is going to have a good year. Just gotta keep him healthy. Couple that with having a TE that can serve not just as a pressure release valve but ALSO as a big time playmaker, and those offenses are hard to stop even when all cylinders aren't clicking.
They're tough to stop in the same way offenses with mobile QBs are tough to stop - they can get you enough to keep the chains moving and keep drives alive when you otherwise would have to punt.
I can't wait for Fant to either graduate or get drafted. That one is going to stick in my craw until he's gone. I remember the first time I saw him play as a true freshman for Iowa. I swore out loud into the open air of my living room when I saw him catch and run. I think the exact words may have been "You gotta be ####### kidding me."
If we are talking nationally, which I paranthetically emphasized in my response to you, then yes, I disagree. Nebraska hasn't been nationally relevant, if that means national championship caliber/Top 10, since Solich.
Do I agree with you that Iowa fans who assert Nebraska football has been a total suckfest since Solich are wrong? Yes, absolutely. Prior to MR, Nebraska had a nice stretch of being Top 25 competitive and was far more consistent than Iowa was. That's the irony of comparing the two in the modern era. Nebraska was more consistent prior to MR, and Iowa had the Top 10 finishes and NY bowl wins Nebraska has been chasing peppered into plenty of mediocrity (namely 2011-2014).
But, yes, prior to MR, Nebraska fielded plenty of good, Top 25 competitive teams.
You're right. It's not comparable.
I came of age in the 90s. I grew up loving Black Friday games between Neb and Okl. I cheered hard for the Huskers when they kicked Florida's ass in the NC. Iowa has had phenomenal teams under KF, and Hayden for that matter, but none that come close to any of those Nebraska teams the years you mentioned .
Lol.
And yes, it's possible Iowa could be a sleeping giant offensively. That only happens if the offensive line gets better at pass protection.
We'll see. Should be interesting.
I agree with you - fair points in both statements. I guess what may stimulate my response is when I see an opposing fan act like the program hasn't mattered in 20 years.
Here's an example of what I'm getting at in that when discussing "national relevance" and looking at finishes is a little bit tricky:
2010 Nebraska team
- Begins season ranked #8.
- Starts out 5-0, including impressive national TV wins over Washington (35 pt victory) and Kansas State (35 pt victory, 4-0 with wins over UCLA and Iowa State). Enters game 6 of the season ranked #5 in the country.
- Loses a tough one to Texas at home because, well, Texas. Most football fans know the history of that series. No bueno. Falls to #14. What was most upsetting about this is that Texas lost to ISU, KSU, and OSU in 2010 and finished 5-7, yet we still couldn't find a way to beat them in Lincoln.
- Beats #17 OSU and #7 Missouri in consecutive weeks. Climbs to #9 in country.
- Goes to # 18 Texas A&M, and loses in one of the weirdest, most frustrating games I've ever seen in my life by a score of 6-9. Sidenote: I'm a college basketball official, so I understand how fans yell and scream about stuff they may not fully understand. I also know officiating football is not nearly as challenging as hoops is. I'm normally one to give officials the benefit of the doubt. That game looked and felt like a legitimate screw job by the officials/Big 12. I've never felt that way before about a game nor have I since. Nebraska was headed for the B1G the following year, and it looked like a screw job on the way out of the league, considering the bad blood that had developed between the league, its commissioner and Nebraska. I'd be curious to hear how someone without a dog in the fight, yet understanding the context, perceived how that game played out.
- Nebraska falls to #16, beat Colorado to finish 10-2, jumps to #13, and heads to the CCG vs #9 Oklahoma.
- CCG: Nebraska jumps out to a 17-0 lead, leads 20-17 at half, then gives up a FG in 3rd and 4th quarters, loses 23-20. Another heartbreaker. Especially considering what happened the year prior in the CCG vs Texas.
- Nebraska falls 5 spots to 18, goes out with a whimper in the Holiday bowl vs the Washington team they beat by 5 touchdown earlier in the year. Finishes ranked #19/20
Nebraska was ranked in the top 10 on two separate occasions for a combined stretch of 9 weeks of the season. They lost three tight games by a total of 13 points. They won the North and played in a game that decided who went to the Fiesta Bowl (which OU won by 28 pts, and finished #6). To me, all of this indicates that Nebraska was nationally relevant in the 2010 season. Their final ranking didn't bear out how the season had really gone, but they were a big part of the national conversation for much of the year. Isn't that being relevant?
56-14. That's the only stat that matters. Most recent score between our teams. We get to bang our chests and brag it up all year, until our next meeting this fall, because of that score. Nebraska sucks bigtime right now and has been getting worse until proven otherwise. You don't have to come here and defend the Cornhuskers thinking we will change our minds. The whole state of Nebraska is a pit of misery. One of the worst states in our great nation!
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I'm just chatting with people who like talking football. Feel free to join in if you like talking football. If not, feel free to ignore me and my posts. Or, act like a defensive, petty little brother if that helps provide the emotional self-soothing you appear to need.
Feel free to kiss my ass. You can always ignore me and my posts aswell. I did talk football by the way. Shall I share the highlights of last years game?
Yeah, I get what you're saying. And as I stated in previous posts, absolutely, Nebraska has had good teams in the modern era.
It's interesting you bring up 2010. Iowa was rated that year preseason Top 10 as well. They dropped a non-conference game to a Top 25 Arizona team (if you know anything about the modern history of Iowa football, the Hawks lay an egg about every game played in the Pacific time zone), lost by one at home to Wisconsin (the infamous fake punt game I believe), and ended up losing 3 really close games at the end of the season before winning the Insight Bowl over Missouri. So, in short, Iowa could have had another Top 10 season that year with a break or two going differently. The point is they didn't. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. So, while Nebraska was close to Top 10 status that season (and i mean finishing), the results were not Top 10. Because, in fairness, a lot of teams in college football could make the same or similar case you are making every year. Regardless, I'm not sure if semantics are involved in terms of debating "relevance," but I won't argue with you about Nebraska being relevant in 2010. And, as I said before, they've had competitive teams throughout the modern era, just none that ended up something like 11-2 or 12-1, so a legitimate Top 10-caliber team.
Oh, and yes, officiating. Lol. Most times, officials, while far from perfect, are consistent and call a fair game. Occasionally, though, you're right. There are a few total screw jobs. It's been a long time since I felt Iowa got completely screwed over by the officiating. But in 2005, the game against Michigan was a joke. And the bowl game later that year vs. Florida was a total one-sided, screw job that probably hasn't been duplicated in college football since. So, I feel ya.
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