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Iowa DCI agent Brian Sanger

Senator Sanders has achieved exactly what those in favor of his beliefs aspire to aslo gain. He has tremendous wealth and power, and his words inspire those who are in dependence of the government. His theories do not work for anyone except the elite and those in power. This has been proven over and over again throughout the world. Everyone else is a pawn. Argue this all you want. Just like many things it's great in theory until reality hits you right in the mouth. You might actually call it progressive slavery.
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Remember when everyone said we are only talking politics because it's not wrestling season. Well it's wrestling season and all the simpletons are still talking politics on a wrestling forum. Take that bullshit somewhere else
 
Remember when everyone said we are only talking politics because it's not wrestling season. Well it's wrestling season and all the simpletons are still talking politics on a wrestling forum. Take that bullshit somewhere else
I agree. What about conversations concerning criminal activities?
 
So do I, but I know too many who were indoctrinated into a different way of thinking. Education should be learning to think for yourself, to reason things out, and to grow in knowledge and wisdom. It should not be learning to conform. It should not be teaching you to forget about history, or it should not try to change history as it is known. It should teach you to learn from it, which seems to be a lost art in much of society.
I know of a bunch of Liberal people who have been indoctrinated by AM Radio. They are being led to what to think but are told they are the free thinkers and true enlightened. To be able to reason things out and to grow in knowledge and wisdom, one needs to see and experience other viewpoints. If they don't, there is no learning only regurgitation.

P.S. I despise communism and am considered a conservative.
 
Today's public statement regarding the gambling investigation fron the Dept of Public Safety reveals quite a lot.

This was WAYYY more than some rogue investigator.
The Dept pretty much ADMITTED they ran it by the Iowa AG, regardless of her denials.
I'll leave you geniuses to determine which political Party that involves.
 
Not really. It was my personal experience in college. My mind was opened to a world beyond the Iowa borders.
You can spin it anyway you want, but yes it was.

"Education makes it difficult to control people through emotion. If someone learns how to think, it makes it difficult to control what they think." - el dub

You make no reference to studying abroad or your own experience. You were speaking about education in general. Public education at all levels in the USA tries to control your thoughts and teach you not to think for yourself.
 
Today's public statement regarding the gambling investigation fron the Dept of Public Safety reveals quite a lot.

This was WAYYY more than some rogue investigator.
The Dept pretty much ADMITTED they ran it by the Iowa AG, regardless of her denials.
I'll leave you geniuses to determine which political Party that involves.
You are incorrect about this getting ran by the Iowa AG.
Nice try.
 
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but those people went through the same system as the ones who are still conservative...

so, is it only indoctrination or "learning to conform" when people come out the other side not agreeing with you?

if you think the only people who think for themselves are the ones that agree with you, i've got bad news for you
Some people have stronger minds or more resolve.

I don't expect everyone to agree with me. Don't give me that closed-minded BS. I just want people to actually look at what is happening in the world, and not just regurgitate what they're being told is happening. To try to ascertain the real facts instead of repeating the ones they want to hear or choose to believe.

There are lots of people who think for themselves and believe differently than I do. The problem is, many of them are bent on controlling all those who don't think for themselves.
Remember when everyone said we are only talking politics because it's not wrestling season. Well it's wrestling season and all the simpletons are still talking politics on a wrestling forum. Take that bullshit somewhere else
I apologize. I don't want all this political stuff on here either, but every man has his limits, and sometimes you have no choice but to speak out. I think that is what happened to Grip today, and after a while I ran with it.
I know this is not the place for politics, but calling politics BS is juvenile. Being apathetic is worse than being wrong when our way of life is on the line. I think 83% of politicians are corrupt in some way, but we need to get the ones who aren't in office and keep them there. Sorry for a little levity with the 83%, things are just too tense.

Also, this particular thread was never about wrestling to start with.
 
You are incorrect about this getting ran by the Iowa AG.
Nice try.

maybe not the actual ag but someone in the office of the ag almost assuredly provided legal advice to the dci based on their statement.
 
You are incorrect about this getting ran by the Iowa AG.
Nice try.
You think a State Agency doesn't run something this big by the AG's office?
Looks like a clear case of plausible deniability by Bird.

Gonna need some proof before I admit I'm wrong.
Link of who else they would have "ran it by"?
 
maybe not the actual ag but someone in the office of the ag almost assuredly provided legal advice to the dci based on their statement.
I believe that very well could be true, but Mitch was trying to stick it directly on the Iowa AG, which is not true.
 
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You think a State Agency doesn't run something this big by the AG's office?
Looks like a clear case of plausible deniability by Bird.

Gonna need some proof before I admit I'm wrong.
Link of who else they would have "ran it by"?
I could care less if you admit you were wrong. My guess is no matter what proof is given you won't admit you are wrong.
There are numerous things in government offices that don't get ran by the "big office" on a regular basis.
This is one of those instances.
 
You can spin it anyway you want, but yes it was.

"Education makes it difficult to control people through emotion. If someone learns how to think, it makes it difficult to control what they think." - el dub

You make no reference to studying abroad or your own experience. You were speaking about education in general. Public education at all levels in the USA tries to control your thoughts and teach you not to think for yourself.
I can really only go by my own experience.
 
I could care less if you admit you were wrong. My guess is no matter what proof is given you won't admit you are wrong.
There are numerous things in government offices that don't get ran by the "big office" on a regular basis.
This is one of those instances.
Name some.
 
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I could care less if you admit you were wrong. My guess is no matter what proof is given you won't admit you are wrong.
There are numerous things in government offices that don't get ran by the "big office" on a regular basis.
This is one of those instances.
Bullshit.
In due time, I will reveal my sources. Or maybe not.
Just know that the "shit will hit the fan" when details are released from an athlete who already has an attorney.

The Iowa StateHouse and Iowa's three public universities have been battling for 10 years. The AG viewed this as an opportunity to embarrass them.

BTW...are you an Iowa resident?
 
I went to college at the University of Iowa for 5 years (4 for my BS and 1 for my Master's). I held conservative viewpoints during my entire 5 years there, despite the fact that the student population as a whole is very liberal minded. Only after graduating have I become more and more liberal. I was not "taught" liberal viewpoints in my classes, politics in general is not something I ever heard about in my curriculum. The education I received helped me tremendously and I feel like I would not be as successful as I am today without it.

I think it's en extremely weird argument to imply that higher education by itself does any sort of "brainwashing" of its students or is a waste of time for everyone. I do think that college/university is not necessarily for everyone, and that more people should consider trade schools instead, but it seems that some people just blanket all higher education in a negative way due to faulty assumptions
 
Iowa has 3X more students enter the state for college than leave. If such a huge number come to Iowa for college - isn’t it also fair to expect a higher number to leave after college (when compared to most states that don’t get the influx?) This does explain a certain amount of the so-called brain drain.
Brain drain refers to home state students leaving.
 
Bullshit.
In due time, I will reveal my sources. Or maybe not.
Just know that the "shit will hit the fan" when details are released from an athlete who already has an attorney.

The Iowa StateHouse and Iowa's three public universities have been battling for 10 years. The AG viewed this as an opportunity to embarrass them.

BTW...are you an Iowa resident?
Ok, lol, we'll just have to wait for "shit to hit the fan".
Yep, I'm an Iowa resident.
How about you?
 
I went to college at the University of Iowa for 5 years (4 for my BS and 1 for my Master's). I held conservative viewpoints during my entire 5 years there, despite the fact that the student population as a whole is very liberal minded. Only after graduating have I become more and more liberal. I was not "taught" liberal viewpoints in my classes, politics in general is not something I ever heard about in my curriculum. The education I received helped me tremendously and I feel like I would not be as successful as I am today without it.

I think it's en extremely weird argument to imply that higher education by itself does any sort of "brainwashing" of its students or is a waste of time for everyone. I do think that college/university is not necessarily for everyone, and that more people should consider trade schools instead, but it seems that some people just blanket all higher education in a negative way due to faulty assumptions
I’m thinking some around here believe college curriculums are brainwashing students with progressive thinking. However, I believe higher education naturally leads to progressive thinking and some have a tough time accepting that premise.
 
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You don't know shit...
You're being naive.
Where it gets precarious for the Iowa AG, is the ISU guy in the NFL has a "loss of earnings" provision that increases the severity of this potentially illegal search.

Brenna Bird pleading ignorance might work to convince some people, but this is "red meat" for lawyers.
 
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Bullshit.
In due time, I will reveal my sources. Or maybe not.
Just know that the "shit will hit the fan" when details are released from an athlete who already has an attorney.

The Iowa StateHouse and Iowa's three public universities have been battling for 10 years. The AG viewed this as an opportunity to embarrass them.

BTW...are you an Iowa resident?
I was an Iowa resident for around 45 years. I haven’t been back to visit for about eight years now.
 
I will just say this, maybe, JUST MAYBE see what our FBI has said in recent weeks! IF for some reason this does not set off ALARMS for you!?!?!?

Go ahead and explain why????
 
I was an Iowa resident for around 45 years. I haven’t been back to visit for about eight years now.
Unless you're an Iowa resident, you may not know of the ongoing battle between Iowa's three public universities and the Iowa StateHouse regarding education funding...which has caused some significant tuition increases in the last 10 years or so.
University Presidents have been pretty vocal in their criticism and Republican leadership hasn't appreciated it.
Finding potential criminal activity at Iowa and Iowa State afforded the AG a chance to embarrass them.
 
Nope, not a Commie.
I AM a fan of Robert Reich and Sen. Sanders of Vermont, however.
Did you type that with a straight face, or did a Snidely Whiplash cackle emanate from your lips?

Possibly the most oxymoronic statement I've ever seen in print.
 
I went to college at the University of Iowa for 5 years (4 for my BS and 1 for my Master's). I held conservative viewpoints during my entire 5 years there, despite the fact that the student population as a whole is very liberal minded. Only after graduating have I become more and more liberal. I was not "taught" liberal viewpoints in my classes, politics in general is not something I ever heard about in my curriculum. The education I received helped me tremendously and I feel like I would not be as successful as I am today without it.

I think it's en extremely weird argument to imply that higher education by itself does any sort of "brainwashing" of its students or is a waste of time for everyone. I do think that college/university is not necessarily for everyone, and that more people should consider trade schools instead, but it seems that some people just blanket all higher education in a negative way due to faulty assumptions
As I recently stated on this or another thread, college is what you make of it, or allow it to make of you (paraphrased). I'm happy for you. It sounds like you survived and got your money's worth.
 
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You're being naive.
Where it gets precarious for the Iowa AG, is the ISU guy in the NFL has a "loss of earnings" provision that increases the severity of this potentially illegal search.

Brenna Bird pleading ignorance might work to convince some people, but this is "red meat" for renna

You're being naive.
Where it gets precarious for the Iowa AG, is the ISU guy in the NFL has a "loss of earnings" provision that increases the severity of this potentially illegal search.

Brenna Bird pleading ignorance might work to convince some people, but this is "red meat" for lawyers.
Brenna Bird pleading ignorance would about the only thing that she has said or done that was close to accurate.
 
I really don't care whose fault it was, as long as justice is served to all involved (which is unlikely). It's never OK for any agency to violate someone's Constitutional rights, for any reason.
 
Did you type that with a straight face, or did a Snidely Whiplash cackle emanate from your lips?

Possibly the most oxymoronic statement I've ever seen in print.
I will add that theologically, I am an Evangelical, who is appalled at the lack of compassion/empathy manifested in Religious Right churches. If Jesus Christ was to appear for awhile, I could see Him being kicked out of Religious Right churches for being one of them thar "Liberals".

I am completely serious about this.
 
I will add that theologically, I am an Evangelical, who is appalled at the lack of compassion/empathy manifested in Religious Right churches. If Jesus Christ was to appear for awhile, I could see Him being kicked out of Religious Right churches for being one of them thar "Liberals".

I am completely serious about this.
And don't forget about not dressing appropriately, I mean who goes to church in a robe and sandals? And forget about how the maga cult dresses. Feathers, war paint, bull horns, cowbells, American flag bib overalls probably wouldn't be accepted by those judgemental Christians, the cult dupes never go to church anyway.
 
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And don't forget about not dressing appropriately, I mean who goes to church in a robe and sandals? And forget about how the maga cult dresses. Feathers, war paint, bull horns, cowbells, American flag bib overalls probably wouldn't be accepted by those judgemental Christians, the cult dupes never go to church anyway.
Compassion and Empathy are where it's at.
 
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