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It'll be interesting to see where he ends up. Definitely have to be a "system" fit.
He is now the "best available" running back. I agree he needs the right system but someone is going to take a chance on him soon.
really hope he goes in the 4th. Just 2 picks for the Rams and 1 to Dallas left?
Odd pi k out of the rams. Seems like that guy is a less electric version of Akrum
Akrum has always reminded me of Ronnie Harmon. Close to the same size. Never caught from behind. Good hands. Someone's gonna get a steal. And I don't think the NFL penalizes you for high-steppin . . . right?
Akrum was exciting for sure but Ronnie Harmon was maybe the most electric Hawkeye to ever play for Iowa. I cant equate the two.
Just for fun I was comparing their numbers
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ronnie-harmon-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/akrum-wadley-1.html
RH - 4028yds from scrimmage - 30TDs
AW- 3633yds from scrimmage - 35TDs
Not bad considering Kirk's offense isn't really comparable to Hayden's.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ronnie-harmon-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/akrum-wadley-1.html
RH - 4028yds from scrimmage - 30TDs
AW- 3633yds from scrimmage - 35TDs
Not bad considering Kirk's offense isn't really comparable to Hayden's.
Wow! the way things look right now this could be a rather underwhelming draft for the Hawks compared to some of the anticipated results that were predicted. At least take Wadley in the 6th somebody. I guess the guys will just have to play bigger than there draft postition. That can be counted on.
CBS draft tracker grades Hawk picks thus:
Daniels - A
Jackson - A
Outlaw - A-
Daniels - A
Jackson - A
Outlaw - A-
Wait, what?
You need to re-watch some Hayden games on youtube. Iowa was conservative with Hayden except for the then going out of style FB usage and the stand-up TE. Sure he passed the ball probably more than UM and OSU, but he was far from the wild gunslinger coach that his legend is portrayed as.
Sure, he aired it out some games (out of need more than anything else), but Hayden pounded the ball most his tenure.
Wait wut???? Ya had to live thru both eras to get where I'm comin from.
Snyder=Hall of famer LEGEND
GD-BF=not so much
We'll have to agree to disagree.
I'm 56 years old. I have roughly 30 or so Hayden Fry era games, every snap, saved on my home network hard drive that's full of Iowa football games that goes about 250 games deep.
Watch those games some time. Watch them from start to finish. I have, recently I might add.
I saw probably 90% of televised Hayden Fry Iowa games during his tenure. I attended roughly 20 games in person also. So, yeah...I lived in that era. Pretty much my home run era as far as Hawkeyes football is concerned.
Yes, Ferentz' teams are conservative offensively compared to the rest of the NCAA game today, but I'm not going to say Hayden Fry was some sort of offensive innovator by the time he got to Iowa either.
Hayden helped usher in the modern pro-style passing game to the Big 10 more than any other coach IMHO. Less conservative than the average B10 head coach of the era? Sure. But you look at the games, he's was mostly a 2 back 1 TE 2 WR play caller.
Hell...watching Chuck Long games, Hayden usually ran the QB run option 3-4 plays every game - and rarely went shotgun unless they were in total pass mode. Most times passing was off play action with 7 and 9 step drops.
A long Snapper. Really pack? You couldn't have taken Akrum and asked Tyler Kluver to come work out?
draft-tracker gave that pick a D+
His combine speed was better than Ladell Betts.
Iowa had a 5'8" strong safety drafted. A 5'8" pink-skin WR drafted.
How is Tanner Lee or Hunter Bradley gonna help a team win more than Wadley?
Measurables shmeasurables, something weird is going on. I'm callin Alex Jones to get to the bottom of this.
I'm of a similar era. And while your basic points are accurate, I'd add this;
1. The shotgun wasn't nearly as common in Hayden's tenure as it is now. So you'd have to "adjust" for the era.
2. While there are similarities (pro-style sets) the biggest difference.... was that Hayden scratched where it itches. He was not predictable like Kirk is. That is THE biggest difference, and the reason Prime Hayden would beat Prime Kirk 7 out of 10 with similar talent.
Often people forget that prime Hayden was his first 8 to 10 years with the Hawkeyes. They tend to remember the conservative 90s, but he was edging toward retirement and on the downside of his career by that point, but still coached a gem here or there. Kirk’s college coaching career is rare in that Iowa is his only head coaching job. He was a rookie, prime, and veteran on the downside all in front of the Iowa faithful. Who knows? Maybe Ferentz is entering his prime now. Time will tell.
A Travesty of the first order that Akrum was not even selected. EFF every team in the league for not taking him. EFF this draft top to bottom. I can't abide this bat guano!
Dang, you’re right. I completely forgot he was head coach at Maine when we got him. The narrative of my original post still holds somewhat true. Hayden had a lot more head coaching experience when he became our head coach than Ferentz had, so I think his growing pains have been more visible to the fan base. Hayden was established and very innovative in the 80s when he was still in his prime. Iowa has been lucky to have both.
Gotta say I'm thoroughly peeved about the way the way the draft ultimately unfolded. Don't get me wrong, I love our draft picks but obviously wanted a couple more and better round positioning for them.
We saw players from our standard position groups of past drafts taken. When it comes to Wadley I guess it comes down to his sized and questions of durability. I really think he should have gone late in the draft. In some ways it does not surprise me that Welsh did not get drafted. He got manhandled at the Senior Bowl and D linemen at the next level are a totally different animal.
I am interested to see who out of our potentially deep UDFA's becomes a legit NFL contributor.
We saw players from our standard position groups of past drafts taken. When it comes to Wadley I guess it comes down to his sized and questions of durability. I really think he should have gone late in the draft. In some ways it does not surprise me that Welsh did not get drafted. He got manhandled at the Senior Bowl and D linemen at the next level are a totally different animal.
I am interested to see who out of our potentially deep UDFA's becomes a legit NFL contributor.
Yep. KC went all defense in the draft. That 9 minute drive by Tennessee evidently triggered a snap reaction with Andy Reid that his players on defense pretty much all sucked and they need to start completely over.
There's an opportunity there for sure.
Disagree. How many times did you predict the draw play with Hayden? And the “exotics”? Remember that horrible fake punt call against Michigan in 91?
2010 Wisconsin
Directional MAC schools
NDSU
etc.
The difference between playing not to lose and playing to win.
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Nice try, but it's not even close. KFz's offense audibles in the stretch run to the short side of the field so often and so predictably that defenses bait the QB into doing it and everybody in stadium knows when it's about to happen. That alone... dwarfs any predictable things Hayden may have done all put together.
As JB said...the undeniable difference is... and always will be...playing to win vs playing not-to-lose.
End...of...discussion.
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