IOWA Hawkeyes now ranked about lil brother

[RockEyeState]

I'll let you folks find the Sagarin Computer ranking for basketball, Jan 2, 2016.

The Iowa Hawkeye are now ranked by the computer at #15 and the
Cyclones are at #18.

Beating the #1 ranked and #14 ranked team in less than 7 days, is very
impressive indeed.

#goHawks

 

[RockEyeState]

ADMINS; Sorry, I meant to title thread IOWA Hawkeyes ranked Above lil brother.

The band width to my brain is slow this morning, due to celebratory salvos, after the
Hawkeyes beating Boilers.

 

[Lone Clone]

Darn! We have to put an asterisk beside the game score in all those record books!

 

[Suterman]

Yes. They beat us on the court where it counts.

 

[hknation]

Yes. They beat us on the court where it counts.

It will only count if it is needed as a "tie-breaker" for the tourney bracket committee. Right now, it only counts as a quality HOME win.

 

[kwik44]

Yes. They beat us on the court where it counts.

It will probably end up like most years as far as ISU/Iowa.

ISU wins their huge game against Iowa, but finishes without a bowl appearance or getting bounced from the 1st. round of the tournament.

 

[storyhawkeye]

It will probably end up like most years as far as ISU/Iowa.

ISU wins their huge game against Iowa, but finishes without a bowl appearance or getting bounced from the 1st. round of the tournament.

This. But this = successful seasons for them.

 

[RockEyeState]

Beating a team, by 1 point, on your home floor is a consolation for the
LESSER team. True.

 

[HerkyFan]

Darn! We have to put an asterisk beside the game score in all those record books!

There it is again. Sagarin only matters when clown fans say it does. Right now it is to be ignored. As soon as the clowns are ranked higher it will matter and clown fans will stream in to tell us.

 

[HawkLogic]

Darn! We have to put an asterisk beside the game score in all those record books!

No asterisk needed. Bask in your win over Iowa at home on flight back after your NCAA 1st round loss to Hampton or UAB or whomever it is this year.

 

[The Sleeping Dog]

While Sagarin weekly rankings don't matter much its always better to be higher than lower, eh?

On the other hand, opportunities to slam Iowa A&T should never be bypassed. I read somewhere a few years ago that Tom Davis coached Iowa in more Sweet 16s than A&T has played in since the beginning of the NCAA round of 16 teams. I'm much too lazy to research that myself but that's pretty cool if true.

 

[Lone Clone]

I couldn't resist.

Congratulations on a hell of a win at Purdue. Much more impressive, IMHO, than beating short-handed Michigan State team at CHA -- which was quite an achievement, don't get me wrong. But a road win over a team expected to finish in the first division of the conference is a big deal.

 

[hooper56]

It will probably end up like most years as far as ISU/Iowa.

ISU wins their huge game against Iowa, but finishes without a bowl appearance or getting bounced from the 1st. round of the tournament.

I think you are right. Many pundits talked preseason about ISU having final four talent. Let's just see how far they take it this year. I am not sure there is a more underachieving team in college basketball than the Iowa State Cyclones. With the talent they have had recently they should have been making final 8 or final 4 appearances but such has not been the case.

 

[Lone Clone]

I think you are right. Many pundits talked preseason about ISU having final four talent. Let's just see how far they take it this year. I am not sure there is a more underachieving team in college basketball than the Iowa State Cyclones. With the talent they have had recently they should have been making final 8 or final 4 appearances but such has not been the case.

This is untrue, with the exception of last season, but if it makes you feel better, by all means keep believing it.

I'm not sure what to expect this season, considering the new coach and the unexpected absence of 'Nads Long. Burton has been extremely impressive in his four games.

Last night was a really good game to watch. Well played by both teams. Cyclones led most of the way but couldn't hold off the Boomers down the stretch. Two very good teams.

 

[BGHAWK]

I couldn't resist.

Congratulations on a hell of a win at Purdue. Much more impressive, IMHO, than beating short-handed Michigan State team at CHA -- which was quite an achievement, don't get me wrong. But a road win over a team expected to finish in the first division of the conference is a big deal.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I doubt everyone agrees with you. I'd be more concerned with a (supposedly) top ranked team that continues to lose on the road in the big 12.

 

[hooper56]

This is untrue, with the exception of last season, but if it makes you feel better, by all means keep believing it.

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I see. So you argue that ISU does not have talent or was not thought to have talent. Got it. Everyone else in the college bb world has said for 5 or 6 years that the cyclones have had great talent. The transfers have been spoken/written about ad nauseum.

 

[MIHawk]

Honestly, I couldn't care less about ISU at this point. That game is past and is one in a long season. We certainly had our shot in that one and managed to collapse. Since then, we've shown a serious "set of nuts" as JU said. We've been waiting for years for Iowa to learn how to close out games. This has been a nagging problem under Fran and appeared to be rearing its head again this year. In at least two of our losses, we've held late leads only to lose in the end. The ISU game was sickening, as we were blowing them out in their own gym before going into a shell and losing. But if that is what it took to FINALLY learn how to pull out close games, then I'm ok with it. Wins against the top teams in our conference are more important than a win over an in-state rival. Don't get me wrong, I would have loved to have held on against ISU. But I wouldn't trade it for a win against Purdue on the road. Just as I am sure ISU would trade a win over Iowa for a win at Oklahoma (at least they should). It sure was nice to be the team to complete the epic comeback this time, as opposed to blowing it in the end. It's a long season, so let's hope it continues.

 

[kwik44]

This is untrue, with the exception of last season, but if it makes you feel better, by all means keep believing it.

I'm not sure what to expect this season, considering the new coach and the unexpected absence of 'Nads Long. Burton has been extremely impressive in his four games.

Last night was a really good game to watch. Well played by both teams. Cyclones led most of the way but couldn't hold off the Boomers down the stretch. Two very good teams.

Moral victories are only fun...well, never.

ISU seems to live of them when falling short on the road in the B12, which happens often. At some point, you need to win against ranked opponents on the road.

 

[Lone Clone]

I see. So you argue that ISU does not have talent or was not thought to have talent. Got it. Everyone else in the college bb world has said for 5 or 6 years that the cyclones have had great talent. The transfers have been spoken/written about ad nauseum.

No, I take issue with the claim that ISU usually fails to live up to expectations in the NCAA tournament and/or usually performs better against Iowa than in the rest of the season.

ISU has been in the NCAA tournament each of the past four years. In three of those years, it played up to or above its seed. In other words, only once in four years did it fail to live up to expectations.

You are totally wrong about the "five or six years" time frame. In at least two of those years ISU was the pre-season pick for last place in the Big XII.

Similarly, ISU only beat Iowa in two of three years prior to this season, but went on to have better seasons in all three years. The jury is still out this year.

 

[Lone Clone]

Honestly, I couldn't care less about ISU at this point. That game is past and is one in a long season. We certainly had our shot in that one and managed to collapse. Since then, we've shown a serious "set of nuts" as JU said. We've been waiting for years for Iowa to learn how to close out games. This has been a nagging problem under Fran and appeared to be rearing its head again this year. In at least two of our losses, we've held late leads only to lose in the end. The ISU game was sickening, as we were blowing them out in their own gym before going into a shell and losing. But if that is what it took to FINALLY learn how to pull out close games, then I'm ok with it. Wins against the top teams in our conference are more important than a win over an in-state rival. Don't get me wrong, I would have loved to have held on against ISU. But I wouldn't trade it for a win against Purdue on the road. Just as I am sure ISU would trade a win over Iowa for a win at Oklahoma (at least they should). It sure was nice to be the team to complete the epic comeback this time, as opposed to blowing it in the end. It's a long season, so let's hope it continues.

Absolutely I would trade the win over Iowa for a win last night at Norman.

 

[Lone Clone]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I doubt everyone agrees with you. I'd be more concerned with a (supposedly) top ranked team that continues to lose on the road in the big 12.

Excuse me? ISU was ranked #9 last night. Undefeated Oklahoma was ranked #3. It wasn't supposed to be as close as it was.

 

[johnnashhawk]

I see. So you argue that ISU does not have talent or was not thought to have talent. Got it. Everyone else in the college bb world has said for 5 or 6 years that the cyclones have had great talent. The transfers have been spoken/written about ad nauseum.

I hold little ill will towards ISU, but the "throw it in your face" comments I read after that gut wrenching loss, wouldn't have been tolerated by Fred H. What goes around comes around is a pretty relevant predictor in my estimation, and who would have thought that game contributed more to our post-game success than to the cyclones....

 

[kwik44]

Excuse me? ISU was ranked #9 last night. Undefeated Oklahoma was ranked #3. It wasn't supposed to be as close as it was.

Oklahoma is virtually the same team as last season. ISU needs to get off the 'oh well, we tried' schtick. All I ever hear from the ISU camp is 'wait till they come play in the Hilton magic'.

Kansas doesn't come into or out of games with that attitude, and its probably why they win it every year.

 

[MIHawk]

Absolutely I would trade the win over Iowa for a win last night at Norman.

Yep! A conference win on the road is gold just about any time, but especially when it's a ranked opponent who is expected to be near the top at the end. So many times I've seen Iowa blow late leads. It was just awesome watching somebody else do it against Iowa. Plus, as Jess Settles put it on BTN, it was like "therapy for Iowa fans after their tough loss in the Rose Bowl." That one made me laugh because it is so true.

 

[And1Hawk]

I could care less where we are ranked in relation to ISU. All I care about is what we do. Can we make the tournament and how far can we go if we do so even our own ranking right now means little to me with so much of the season to go.

 

[Herkuleez]

Excuse me? ISU was ranked #9 last night. Undefeated Oklahoma was ranked #3. It wasn't supposed to be as close as it was.

That's incorrect....#9 vs #3 regardless of where it is played should be close. If not, then one of those teams is overrated.

 

[RockEyeState]

Wonder what would happen IF the Clones came to Iowa City, let's say next week, or any week this year?? My prediction: IOWA by 15...............

Just sayin..............

#goHawks
#HawkeyeState

 

[Lone Clone]

That's incorrect....#9 vs #3 regardless of where it is played should be close. If not, then one of those teams is overrated.

That's a fair point, depending upon your definition of "close."

 

[Lone Clone]

Yep! A conference win on the road is gold just about any time, but especially when it's a ranked opponent who is expected to be near the top at the end. So many times I've seen Iowa blow late leads. It was just awesome watching somebody else do it against Iowa. Plus, as Jess Settles put it on BTN, it was like "therapy for Iowa fans after their tough loss in the Rose Bowl." That one made me laugh because it is so true.

I know what he meant, and I agree.

There have been years I wouldn't have traded a win over Iowa for a win at Oklahoma. If we were going to have a losing season and one conference win didn't really matter, I might not have felt that way.....although there's never been a time I wouldn't have traded an Iowa win for a Kansas win. But the non-conference fades awfully fast in hoops. By the time you get to March, it really doesn't matter much what happened in November and December.

 

[Lone Clone]

Wonder what would happen IF the Clones came to Iowa City, let's say next week, or any week this year?? My prediction: IOWA by 15...............

Just sayin..............

#goHawks
#HawkeyeState

Yeah, I heard that last year before the game, and the predicted margin got even wider when Dejean-Jones was suspended.

Game is over, dude. You've beaten the #1 team in the nation and you've won at Purdue. Might be time to stop dwelling on the ISU loss.

Just sayin...........

 

[Floyd7702]

Gotta love Iowa fans for criticizing ISU and their NCAA tournament resume. Iowa has won like what, 1 game in the NCAA tournament in the last 10-15 years!!! lol

 

[HawkOptimist]

I think ISU has the more talented individual players this year, but Iowa has the better TEAM. I'd love to play them on a neutral court.

And it looks like, based on all they lose and who they have coming in and back next year, ISU had better hope this is their year. Huge drop off in talent.

 

[And1Hawk]

I think ISU has the more talented individual players this year, but Iowa has the better TEAM. I'd love to play them on a neutral court.

And it looks like, based on all they lose and who they have coming in and back next year, ISU had better hope this is their year. Huge drop off in talent.

I do not follow them a ton but I think they have a very good set of recruits coming in next year and really good JUCO PG that we were interested in. That lone clone dude can pipe in but I do not think they are dropping off huge like you think. They may struggle a little just like we could based on the lack of experience of the new players playing together but I expect them to have talent again.

 

[TailgateTom]

Darn! We have to put an asterisk beside the game score in all those record books!

You're welcome for the quality win we gave you.

 

[cosmo90]

Absolutely I would trade the win over Iowa for a win last night at Norman.

So would Randy Peterson

 

[Floyd7702]

Iowa is worse off than ISU next year. You lose 4 starters. ISU returns Morris, Long, Thomas, Burton, and has a pretty darn good athletic class coming in led by Monk. Will they be as talented as this year, no. But if Morris comes back they will have one of the best backcourt in the country.

 

[Floyd_Of_Rosedale]

Yeah, I heard that last year before the game, and the predicted margin got even wider when Dejean-Jones was suspended.

Game is over, dude. You've beaten the #1 team in the nation and you've won at Purdue. Might be time to stop dwelling on the ISU loss.

Just sayin...........

Just curious....Do the Iowa State forums have resident University of Iowa fans constantly lurking like you do the IOWA message board? Or do you read the Iowa State forums at all?

You've posted 82,360 messages.....I would imagine at least 80% of those messages have been on the IOWA forums.....probably more.

 

[5Fan5]

Excuse me? ISU was ranked #9 last night. Undefeated Oklahoma was ranked #3. It wasn't supposed to be as close as it was.

So, do early season rankings have meaning or not? I have read a post of yours from the past week/10 days that state early season rankings are "meaningless". Now, all of the sudden, those very rankings should tell all not only which team will prevail, but by how big of a margin!

Only from you, LC.

 

[srams21]

Iowa is worse off than ISU next year. You lose 4 starters. ISU returns Morris, Long, Thomas, Burton, and has a pretty darn good athletic class coming in led by Monk. Will they be as talented as this year, no. But if Morris comes back they will have one of the best backcourt in the country.

Possibly. Depends if Morris leaves early. Also, who plays the 4 and 5 spots next year? If Ernst is starting, I am liking Iowa's chances of being better overall. ISU has some major issues in the post for next year.

 

[Lone Clone]

I think ISU has the more talented individual players this year, but Iowa has the better TEAM. I'd love to play them on a neutral court.

And it looks like, based on all they lose and who they have coming in and back next year, ISU had better hope this is their year. Huge drop off in talent.

Uh......we do lose a lot, no question about that. But depending upon what decision Morris makes, we could return him, Naz, Thomas, Burton and Cooke, which is a pretty damned good starting 5 right there, and the recruiting class looks excellent. So there will be a dropoff, but the cupboard won't be bare.