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[Lone Clone]

Just curious....Do the Iowa State forums have resident University of Iowa fans constantly lurking like you do the IOWA message board? Or do you read the Iowa State forums at all?

You've posted 82,360 messages.....I would imagine at least 80% of those messages have been on the IOWA forums.....probably more.

1. Why are you obsessed with the number of posts? And no, 80% of them haven't been here. The total is all posts on all Rivals boards since the service started. And unlike a lot of others, I've always used the same screen name. But so what?

2. I don't go to Cyclone Fanatic. From what I hear, there are a number of Hawk fans who hang out there. I frequently see Hawk fans here posting about what is on the boards there. Cyclone Report is a pay site so there aren't any there.

 

[RocknRollface]

Iowa is worse off than ISU next year. You lose 4 starters. ISU returns Morris, Long, Thomas, Burton, and has a pretty darn good athletic class coming in led by Monk. Will they be as talented as this year, no. But if Morris comes back they will have one of the best backcourt in the country.

I can't see any reason Morris would pass up getting paid to come back but you never know I guess. Will probably depend on what the NBA tells him.

Most likely ISU returns, Long, Thomas and Burton. Iowa, Jok, Uhl and Bear.

Way to many new parts for both to really make an educated guess IMO.

Both teams will almost certainly take a step back though, that's fairly obvious.

Iowa will be a completely different team, very athletic but smaller and very inexperienced.

 

[Lone Clone]

I can't see any reason Morris would pass up getting paid to come back but you never know I guess. Will probably depend on what the NBA tells him.

Most likely ISU returns, Long, Thomas and Burton. Iowa, Jok, Uhl and Bear.

Way to many new parts for both to really make an educated guess IMO.

Both teams will almost certainly take a step back though, that's fairly obvious.

Iowa will be a completely different team, very athletic but smaller and very inexperienced.

That was an intelligent, informed post.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

If someone were to say half of these posts were by people under 12, would anyone be shocked?

 

[RocknRollface]

Iowa is one properly executed inbounds pass/time out call away from having probably the best resume in the country at this point and being solidly in the top ten in all polls.

 

[HawkOptimist]

Iowa is worse off than ISU next year. You lose 4 starters. ISU returns Morris, Long, Thomas, Burton, and has a pretty darn good athletic class coming in led by Monk. Will they be as talented as this year, no. But if Morris comes back they will have one of the best backcourt in the country.

I wouldn't count on Long. The type of injury he has is very difficult to ever fully recover from. And Morris coming back is no guarantee.

Losing Niang, McKay and Nader will be tough enough. Losing the other 2 would make ISU a middle of the pack Big 12 team.

Sure, they're bringing in new guys. But so is everyone else. And while the Kansas' of the world continue bringing in 4 and 5 star guys, ISU is bringing in all 3 star guys next year. While stars don't always matter, in basketball they usually do.

That's why I'll continue to say, if ISU is ever going to make a run at it all, this is the year to do it.

 

[herkI]

This is untrue, with the exception of last season, but if it makes you feel better, by all means keep believing it.

I'm not sure what to expect this season, considering the new coach and the unexpected absence of 'Nads Long. Burton has been extremely impressive in his four games.

Last night was a really good game to watch. Well played by both teams. Cyclones led most of the way but couldn't hold off the Boomers down the stretch. Two very good teams.

Agree it was great game to watch. Burton is VERY impressive. Good luck to you guys.

 

[srams21]

Uh......we do lose a lot, no question about that. But depending upon what decision Morris makes, we could return him, Naz, Thomas, Burton and Cooke, which is a pretty damned good starting 5 right there, and the recruiting class looks excellent. So there will be a dropoff, but the cupboard won't be bare.

You obviously know more than I do, but isn't that a four guard lineup with Burton, a 6'4 wing? So, your tallest player is 6'4? Who will guard post players in that lineup?

 

[srams21]

So, Lone Clone I checked and the lineup you said would be damned good as is follows:

Morris 6'2 170
Naz 6'4 200
Cooke 6'2 180
Thomas 6'4 180
Burton 6'4 240

So would Matt Thomas be your four? If so, I would imagine teams would just pound the hell out of you guys down low. If Burton gets in foul trouble are you in big trouble. Height is a little overrated, but dang that is a small lineup. The other possibilities are:

Brady Ernst 6'8 215 (honestly I do not see him as a legit Big 12 player. I even said that when Iowa was looking at him)
Simeon Carter 6'8 210

Neither has gotten much playing time yet this year, so they would need to develop quite a bit to be high level contributors.

I think there are three pretty good guards there (Cooke is meh imo) and an athletic big wing in Burton. I'm not sure what you all have coming in, but according to Rivals you have no 4 or 5 star recruits as of now. Am I missing something or will you have the smallest Power Five lineup I have seen?

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Darn! We have to put an asterisk beside the game score in all those record books!

Yep, your win against us will now be a loss (and vice versa).Thank you!

 

[yerpHAWK]

I would think it's Morris, Long, Thomas, Burton, Carter.

You can't go with a 6'4/6'5 Center even in small ball.

 

[Lone Clone]

So, Lone Clone I checked and the lineup you said would be damned good as is follows:

Morris 6'2 170
Naz 6'4 200
Cooke 6'2 180
Thomas 6'4 180
Burton 6'4 240

So would Matt Thomas be your four? If so, I would imagine teams would just pound the hell out of you guys down low. If Burton gets in foul trouble are you in big trouble. Height is a little overrated, but dang that is a small lineup. The other possibilities are:

Brady Ernst 6'8 215 (honestly I do not see him as a legit Big 12 player. I even said that when Iowa was looking at him)
Simeon Carter 6'8 210

Neither has gotten much playing time yet this year, so they would need to develop quite a bit to be high level contributors.

I think there are three pretty good guards there (Cooke is meh imo) and an athletic big wing in Burton. I'm not sure what you all have coming in, but according to Rivals you have no 4 or 5 star recruits as of now. Am I missing something or will you have the smallest Power Five lineup I have seen?

I wrote it would be a good lineup; obviously, without a big man, that isn't correct. What I should have said -- what I meant but didn't say -- was that it was a damned good nucleus for the team.

I don't count on recruits because you never know if they're going to show up eligible and as good as advertised. Having said that, one of ISU's commits is a 6-9 JUCO who will either go NBA or to ISU, so if he's not good, a lot of people share the same misconception.

Assuming Mitru-Long gets another year -- and there is no reason to think he will not -- he should be at least as healthy as he was this year, and he played well enough to start for most teams, IMHO. The big question is Morris. If he comes back, ISU will be a first division team, NCAA qualifier.

But there's no way one could reasonably think ISU will challenge for the conference title next year. That's why I've said on several occasions that the team will take a step back. As will Iowa.

 

[CyCity]

Iowa is worse off than ISU next year. You lose 4 starters. ISU returns Morris, Long, Thomas, Burton, and has a pretty darn good athletic class coming in led by Monk. Will they be as talented as this year, no. But if Morris comes back they will have one of the best backcourt in the country.

Monk is going to Kentucky but ISU has two really good JUCOs coming in that will produce right away. Returning Long, Thomas and Burton will help a lot and who knows about Monte

 

[CyCity]

Possibly. Depends if Morris leaves early. Also, who plays the 4 and 5 spots next year? If Ernst is starting, I am liking Iowa's chances of being better overall. ISU has some major issues in the post for next year.

Malou will play a lot of the 4. Still could get a decent JUCO big or grad transfer type. If Lard can get eligible I think he'll be a big addition for next year. He's a top 150 PF recruit that committed to ISU in November

 

[agr1858]

I will say I hope Iowa and the other teams we played in the non-conference go undefeated throughout their regular season and conference tournaments. In basketball where RPI and SOS matters it would be foolish for an ISU fan (or Hawk) to wish for anything else. I could care less if Iowa or anyone is ranked higher until that point. The NCAA tournament is the only thing that matters in the long run.

 

[agr1858]

I can't see any reason Morris would pass up getting paid to come back but you never know I guess. Will probably depend on what the NBA tells him.

Most likely ISU returns, Long, Thomas and Burton. Iowa, Jok, Uhl and Bear.

Way to many new parts for both to really make an educated guess IMO.

Both teams will almost certainly take a step back though, that's fairly obvious.

Iowa will be a completely different team, very athletic but smaller and very inexperienced.

Off topic, the point you make on Morris is correct and the same way I feel about Dezmond King. Aside from getting his degree what is there to be gained coming back when he can get paid? He's already an AA, Thorpe Award winner, 1st team BT, tied school record for Int's.

 

[Clonewithasigh]

I think ISU has the more talented individual players this year, but Iowa has the better TEAM. I'd love to play them on a neutral court.

And it looks like, based on all they lose and who they have coming in and back next year, ISU had better hope this is their year. Huge drop off in talent.

Would love to see a rematch anywhere. Clones would focus defensively on Uthoff and the game would be over. ISU has much more balance. Iowa had their one chance to win and couldn't close the deal.

 

[Gridiron24]

Two different teams, but both very experienced. Iowa is a gritty, physical, defensive team. Iowa State plays better offense and has more skilled players, but isn't as good defensively. Neither will win the championship in their league.

Next year? Iowa will be way down. Iowa State will reload because of their transfers. Losing Niang and Uthoff will be big for both ISU and Iowa.

 

[srams21]

Would love to see a rematch anywhere. Clones would focus defensively on Uthoff and the game would be over. ISU has much more balance. Iowa had their one chance to win and couldn't close the deal.

I hate statements like this, but to be fair. Nicholas Baer has emerged since that ISU game and if you focused completely on Uthoff, it would leave several great 3 point shooters open. I think that if the two teams played again, it would be a very close game and could go either way. But that is not happening and you guys won.

Oh, and just for reference. Baer is a less athletic version of Niang without the cockiness and man tits

 

[RocknRollface]

Would love to see a rematch anywhere. Clones would focus defensively on Uthoff and the game would be over. ISU has much more balance. Iowa had their one chance to win and couldn't close the deal.

Kind of like how the best statistical field goal defensive team in the country with possibly the best one on one defender in the country in Raphel Davis "focused on Uthoff?"

Only thing that can stop Uthoff is Uthoff.

I doubt Jarrod ever makes the mistake of allowing a guy like Matt Thomas to dissuade him from shooting again.

Besides saying ISU will focus on someone on D is doubtful considering the effort they often give on that end.

 

[Floyd7702]

Well Burton has also emerged since the Iowa game. Who knows who will play good/bad if they play again.

And lol on Niang and man boobs, the dude plays 38 minutes a game. Not one person on this board could hang for 10 minutes in those games!! Wouldn't it be something if people on here had to actually post their mug shot!! lol

 

[relishingwinning18]

Well Burton has also emerged since the Iowa game. Who knows who will play good/bad if they play again.

And lol on Niang and man boobs, the dude plays 38 minutes a game. Not one person on this board could hang for 10 minutes in those games!! Wouldn't it be something if people on here had to actually post their mug shot!! lol

But long is now gone.

 

[CyCity]

But long is now gone.

Long being gone against Iowa might have been a good thing. He was pretty bad out there on both ends of the court. Bless his heart he was trying though and I look forward to having him back next season

 

[relishingwinning18]

Long being gone against Iowa might have been a good thing. He was pretty bad out there on both ends of the court. Bless his heart he was trying though and I look forward to having him back next season

I'm not sure why I left myself get sucked into this stupidity hurricane again. Both basketball teams are equal right now, everything points that way, let's end this dumb.

 

[Lone Clone]

I'm not sure why I left myself get sucked into this stupidity hurricane again. Both basketball teams are equal right now, everything points that way, let's end this dumb.

Relish, for heaven's sake, remember where you are

 

[CyCity]

I'm not sure why I left myself get sucked into this stupidity hurricane again. Both basketball teams are equal right now, everything points that way, let's end this dumb.

ISU is ranked higher in the polls than Iowa so I wouldn't say they are equal. Iowa did have an impressive road win Saturday though

 

[Ronman]

ISU is ranked higher in the polls than Iowa so I wouldn't say they are equal. Iowa did have an impressive road win Saturday though

KenPom has Iowa seven spots higher. His poll takes in a lot of measurables as opposed to the popularity polls you prefer.

 

[CyCity]

KenPom has Iowa seven spots higher. His poll takes in a lot of measurables as opposed to the popularity polls you prefer.

ISU's positioning in KenPom took a huge hit when they slept walked against a horrible Arkansas Pine Bluff team and only won by 14. A win is a win but that killed their AdjD. I prefer AP and Coaches Poll over KenPom and RPI but that's just me. I don't think I'm being biased by thinking ISU is better than Iowa at the moment.

 

[DanL53]

ISU's positioning in KenPom took a huge hit when they slept walked against a horrible Arkansas Pine Bluff team and only won by 14. A win is a win but that killed their AdjD. I prefer AP and Coaches Poll over KenPom and RPI but that's just me. I don't think I'm being biased by thinking ISU is better than Iowa at the moment.[/QUOTE]

Of course you are not. You guys beat us. You get to believe you are better than us until the next time we play. That's just freagin' Sports law 101. And believe me, I'm not trying to be friendly. I firmly believe that over the next several years Iowa is going to pound you annoying little brothers back into the flat Ames mud where you belong! And I don't want to be hearing the same stuff about it was close, or at your place. When we pass you as we improve and you decline...I will remind you of this. I made no excuses in 2015-16, and I will accept none later.

And, I hope you have a long life to look back and remember these years where Iowa State was decent for a short while...watching it become a distant thing of the past and wondering how it ever happened in the first place.

Happy New Year Little Brother.

 

[IronFist1776]

Gotta love Iowa fans for criticizing ISU and their NCAA tournament resume. Iowa has won like what, 1 game in the NCAA tournament in the last 10-15 years!!! lol

Yet you're the dumbass who can't seem to find his way to a Clown board. Weird, huh?

 

[CyCity]

ISU appears to be in better shape next year too. Two really good JUCOs coming in plus return Naz, Burton and Thomas. That's not even counting Monte.

 

[DanL53]

ISU appears to be in better shape next year too. Two really good JUCOs coming in plus return Naz, Burton and Thomas. That's not even counting Monte.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

Next season will be a very interesting one for the Hawks. It has the potential to be Fran's best coaching season. They lose a lot of senior leadership which will be a huge loss, but they seem to have much more athleticism which should fit better into Fran's system. If Fran is able to pull off a good season next year it would greatly improve my opinion of his coaching abilities (I think it would greatly improve the opinion of a lot of basketball fans). This isn't to say I don't think Fran is already a good coach, but a good season next year, with all the obstacles laid out, would move him closer to the top tier of B1G coaches.

 

[relishingwinning18]

ISU is ranked higher in the polls than Iowa so I wouldn't say they are equal. Iowa did have an impressive road win Saturday though

The difference between us right now is the one point miraculous comeback Isu got at home. On a neutral court, it's an even game, and everyone knows that right now. Thats not knocking either team. Iowa is just much better than we all thought at this point.

 

[Fsanford]

KenPom has Iowa seven spots higher. His poll takes in a lot of measurables as opposed to the popularity polls you prefer.

Sorry Kansas was ranked #1 on KenPom before the game tonight, they beat a number 3 team, and fall to number 2. Throw in the fact Villanova is #1 in the poll, tells you it it is screwed up. They got hammered by OU, and yet ole Ken Pom says they are the best 2 spots ahead of OU. I don't think anybody in their right mind can justify saying Villanova is better than OU.

 

[icu81222]

ISU is ranked higher in the polls than Iowa so I wouldn't say they are equal.

Strange. So many ISU fans say their football program is on par with iowa.

 

[CyCity]

Strange. So many ISU fans say their football program is on par with iowa.

Well those fans would be stupid

 

[srams21]

Well those fans would be stupid

Finally, ISU fans admit their own fanbase is stupid. Yes!

 

[Ronman]

When the Clowns win, they shout "SCOREBOARD!" When they lose, they fall all over themselves coming up with all manner of schemes to try and prove they are still the better team. We heard it again this year with their claim that if the coaching staff would have played the latest QB savior, they would have beaten Iowa then and still would today.

 

[Lone Clone]

Strange. So many ISU fans say their football program is on par with iowa.

Name one.