Iowa - High school state
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It would seem that seeding would result in fewer of those occurrences than random draw. Honestly, I was dumbfounded when I heard that Iowa historically has not seeded the state tournament.
Just a couple points of clarification...although it is true that Iowa has not seeded their state tourney, they did fill out the 16 man brackets by matching District Champs v. District Runner Up's, so there was some effort there to help avoid two district champs meeting each other in round 1.
But since it was otherwise a random draw, two high flying district champs certainly could meet up as early as round #2.
The other, and to me the biggie, notable argument against seeding was that there wasn't a lot of shared competition between the west and the east sides of the state. So someone with say a 38-1 record from the west side of the state looks pretty glossy...only in that weight class, that year, the better competition was on the east side of the state. So say a 33-5 east side kid there could look worse on paper, but in reality would cream the west side kid...as 4 or 5 of his losses were to the real #1...who just happened to be in his conference, etc.
Now then, there has been an increase over the years in terms of teams wrestling outside their geographic area, and as such, I would agree that there is more head-to-head, and/or comparative, results to evaluate nowadays. This makes seeding the state tourney more feasible...but I can virtually guarantee that every year we will hear the same complaints about how the seeding committee got it wrong, etc.
Bottom line...if you want to be the champ then you have to win them all!
Ashley is a friend of Bobbys.... Kirks wifeAh.... is that how Kirk met Ashley? I was wondering how those two love birds got together, thank for clearing this up. Wait, who are Ashley and Kirk?
Yep they went to high school together and Booby and Kirk were roommates at Central. Wasn’t getting into personal relationships per se just as both Trevor Anderson and obviously Caleb Rathjen were wrestlers to watch in this thread thought I would throw out the small world part. Both great families so wish the boys the best.
Good stuff - everybody loves Boobys.
Hehe. Whoops! Nothing better than high school state wrestling in Iowa!
Just a little ribbing, which is how I met this one girl....well never mind. I wish I still lived in the small world I had in IC. I get a little jealous when IA Wrestling State Tourny rolls around. Only 2 schools in my part of Ohio even have wrestling teams.
Those Iowa wrestling communities have such a great bond. My cousin/friend coached North Cedar a few years back and I got to go to the district or regional (don't remember which) in Wilton, pretty cool stuff.
I've always said that the best wrestling community in Iowa is Manchester West Delaware. They aren't one of the super teams with kids from all over, but always have a ton of kids out, no easy weights, and a handful of studs. If they are in your district the gym will have an extra 1000 people and be about 20 degrees hotter.
Ha...
Yeah, I suppose when someone asked about Garvin, a simple, “I video-interviewed him this weekend for The Predicament. He is nice” probably would have been good enough.
And they were also roommates with Dan Gabrielson, correct?
Also, the Tenold twins are the sons of Dan’s sister.
Dan has become one of my favorite people in the HS wrestling world.
Austin Kegley has been amazing this year. 3A 113.
The kid has 2 losses... 1 to an out of state kid, one to Ayala.
Besides those two losses, all of his wins have been by bonus points. I think only one of his matches went the full 6 minutes.
I wrote an article last week about the undefeated guys going into districts that kind of hit on some of this... the most dominant 3A guys this year have been Lance Runyon and Drake Ayala... I’ll dig up that article and post it...
The kid has 2 losses... 1 to an out of state kid, one to Ayala.
Besides those two losses, all of his wins have been by bonus points. I think only one of his matches went the full 6 minutes.
I wrote an article last week about the undefeated guys going into districts that kind of hit on some of this... the most dominant 3A guys this year have been Lance Runyon and Drake Ayala... I’ll dig up that article and post it...
Well... the post is too long, so I’ll just have to link it:
https://www.thepredicament.com/2019/02/21371/
https://www.thepredicament.com/2019/02/21371/
Years ago, in Iowa, you could watch the finals on Saturday night on IPTV. But that hasn't been the case now for several years. I don't know where you are located, but check out this link...
https://sports.yahoo.com/nbc-sports-chicago-carry-live-163205317.html
The new seeding procedure is nearly as WORTHLESS as the officiating. The officiating Day 1 was an absolute joke. Stay fit officials, and the outcome of matches should not be affected or determined by your EGO.
Champ. Round 1 - Drake Ayala (Fort Dodge) 38-0 won by fall over Brennan Amos (Newton) 26-13 (Fall 1:01)
Champ. Round 1 - Caleb Rathjen (Ankeny) 38-1 won by fall over Kohler Ruggles (Bettendorf) 14-24 (Fall 1:07)
Champ. Round 1 - Hunter Garvin (Iowa City, West) 37-3 won by tech fall over Cael Bredar (North Scott) 23-24 (TF-1.5 5:21 (20-5))
Champ. Round 1 - Caleb Rathjen (Ankeny) 38-1 won by fall over Kohler Ruggles (Bettendorf) 14-24 (Fall 1:07)
Champ. Round 1 - Hunter Garvin (Iowa City, West) 37-3 won by tech fall over Cael Bredar (North Scott) 23-24 (TF-1.5 5:21 (20-5))
Robert Avila Jr. (Lisbon) 49-1 won by fall over Jalen Collins (WACO) 35-10 (Fall 2:45)
Cael Happel (Lisbon) 47-0 won by tech fall over Gabe Smith (Riverside, Oakland) 40-11 (TF-1.5 3:20 (21-5))
Cobe Siebrecht (Lisbon) 47-0 won by tech fall over Zach Hammes (Pekin) 37-7 (TF-1.5 3:26 (19-3))
Cael Happel (Lisbon) 47-0 won by tech fall over Gabe Smith (Riverside, Oakland) 40-11 (TF-1.5 3:20 (21-5))
Cobe Siebrecht (Lisbon) 47-0 won by tech fall over Zach Hammes (Pekin) 37-7 (TF-1.5 3:26 (19-3))
Interviews : Garvin-> https://iawrestle.com/2019/02/14/i-dont-have-a-whole-lot-of-nerves-iowa-city-wests-hunter-garvin/
Schriever > https://iawrestle.com/2019/02/14/there-is-nothing-like-this-tournament-cullan-schriever/
Siebrecht-> https://iawrestle.com/2019/02/14/lisbons-cobe-siebrecht-bounces-back/
Schriever > https://iawrestle.com/2019/02/14/there-is-nothing-like-this-tournament-cullan-schriever/
Siebrecht-> https://iawrestle.com/2019/02/14/lisbons-cobe-siebrecht-bounces-back/
That’s a weird little quarter. Former placer Caiden Jones was beaten by Freshman from Riceville, Lawson Losee... and the West Sioux kid was beaten first round by Hoeger... which he’s a good kid, he’s been to state a couple times, but I figured Lynott may have enough positive juju from yesterday going to get past him... Then Jones beats Lynott out.
If you are ranked #1 then the rest is all noise and you just need to go out and take care of business. No need to worry about seeding since you are supposed to beat everyone anyways.
If you are not seeded then it’s your time anyways to ignore the seedlings and go out and prove everyone wrong. It is time to wrestle with a chip on your shoulder and mow people down.
And seeded or blind draw there is no way to please everyone. You can’t always get what you want..but if you try sometimes you might find you get what you need...
Why seed anybody then? Just draw it like they used to do internationally? You get who you get and beat the guy in front of you amiright?
I liked the old way. My son entered this thing ranked 6th a few years back and wrestled on Sat night. He beat a few higher ranked kids along the way. He was not supposed to be there at the end but made it through while everyone else worried about rankings and where they fell on the bracket. Lost a close match in the finals. Great experience and great ride as a parent!
There is no perfect way to seed. If there was, they wouldn't even wrestle the matches. Any wrestling fan with a few brain cells left knows this. Before everyone said "any" attempt at seeding would be better than the draw and now people are complaining about the attempt. For eff's sake. Stop saying "so and so is rated number X"--rankings are subjective.
I'm OK with the effort to seed. I was also OK with the old version. So sometimes the second best kid finished 3rd? Big deal.
I'm OK with the effort to seed. I was also OK with the old version. So sometimes the second best kid finished 3rd? Big deal.
Anybody know much about Deville Dentis from DM East? Is he going to wrestle in college? He seems like a high ceiling type kid. Found an article online that says he didn’t start wrestling until 7th grade so his progression has been solid.
Quarterfinal - Drake Ayala (Fort Dodge) 39-0 won by fall over Dawson Biermann (Epworth, Western Dubuque) 26-10 (Fall 1:49)
Quarterfinal - Caleb Rathjen (Ankeny) 39-1 won by tech fall over Noah Blubaugh (Ankeny Centennial) 29-11 (TF-1.5 4:37 (20-5))
Quarterfinal - Hunter Garvin (Iowa City, West) 38-3 won by decision over Nick Miller (Waukee) 32-9 (Dec 12-5)
Quarterfinal - Cael Happel (Lisbon) 48-0 won by injury default over Dillon Lynott (West Sioux, Hawarden) 43-4 (Inj. 0:03)
Quarterfinal - Robert Avila Jr. (Lisbon) 50-1 won by major decision over Trey Schuck (Sibley-Ocheyedan) 44-3 (MD 13-4)
Quarterfinal - Cobe Siebrecht (Lisbon) 48-0 won by fall over Easton Benson (AC/GC) 29-12 (Fall 2:23)
Quarterfinal - Caleb Rathjen (Ankeny) 39-1 won by tech fall over Noah Blubaugh (Ankeny Centennial) 29-11 (TF-1.5 4:37 (20-5))
Quarterfinal - Hunter Garvin (Iowa City, West) 38-3 won by decision over Nick Miller (Waukee) 32-9 (Dec 12-5)
Quarterfinal - Cael Happel (Lisbon) 48-0 won by injury default over Dillon Lynott (West Sioux, Hawarden) 43-4 (Inj. 0:03)
Quarterfinal - Robert Avila Jr. (Lisbon) 50-1 won by major decision over Trey Schuck (Sibley-Ocheyedan) 44-3 (MD 13-4)
Quarterfinal - Cobe Siebrecht (Lisbon) 48-0 won by fall over Easton Benson (AC/GC) 29-12 (Fall 2:23)
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I feel TERRIBLE for Blake Thomsen. DQ’d in the quarters for a slam that was questionable as hell.
I tweeted yesterday that he was the most impressive guy I had seen all tournament... he is in the zone right now.
I tweeted yesterday that he was the most impressive guy I had seen all tournament... he is in the zone right now.
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